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Sup bros,

First time posting on this forum.

27 years old, 6'0, 195 lb, body fat 12%. Been lifting for six years (four years serious dedication)(was 230lb 30% bf and got down to 130lb 7% bf). Started at 170 lb, body fat 10%.

Ultimate goal is to weight 240 lb, 7-10 % bf. Hey, we all have dreams here bros, right?

Oct 2010: First cycle consisted of tribulus terrestris and maca which i did for 8 weeks. Gained 7 pound of muscle on this natural cycle.

May 2011: On my first AAS cycle, I managed to gain 20 lb of mass with the following cycle:

Past Cycle:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg/wk Sustanon (Monday-Thursday 250mg)
Weeks 1-3: M-drol 20 mg each day
Weeks 4: M-drol 30 mg each day
Weeks 10: 30mg/day Epistane
Weeks 11-13: 40 mg/day Epistane
Weeks 14: 50 mg/day Epistane
Weeks 4-10: 200iu (20 Mark on Insulin Syringe Right?) HCG Every Third Day
Weeks 1-12: 0.5-1.0mg/Everyday Arimidex


PCT
Week 15: 40mg Nolva, 100mg Clomid
Week 16: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
Week 17: 20mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
Week 18: 20mg Nolva

This cycle did cause me blood pressure problems but it did resolve itself two month after pct was completed.

I am new to home-brewing and this will be my first time attempting it. I have gathered all the materials needed (found valid sources on this site) for this adventure from this forum and other "bassk" site. After doing research for about five years and understanding how certain compounds are synergistic with one another, i have decided to run a somewhat complicated cycle. The following is not set in stone and all critiques and ideas are welcome to improve the cycle.

Note: Equipoise can be substituted for Deca at 500 mg weeks 1-12. Adding proviron to this cycle at 100 mg to free more testosterone would help as well. I would also like to add Tren Enthanate but not sure about that (just an idea).

Note: Not sure about the insulin since the substance is dangerous. Have done research on the subject and are well inform on the procedure on how to use the product.

Note: Planning on first using Priming (Keto) prior to starting the cycle to take advantage of the growth that is associated with this diet. Workouts associated with the diet (German volume training and tension training) will be implemented as well.

Note: Diet will be posted here for your critique and input. Thanks for your time bros and sorry for the long post.

June 2012 Cycle Maybe
​
Weeks 1 ??? 12 Testosterone Prop 100 mg a Week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
Note: Using this to bond to SHBG and Albumin since Primo is super expensive!
Weeks 1 ??? 12 Testosterone Enthanate 500 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 ??? 12 Deca Durabolin 400 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 ??? 10 Anavar 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 ??? 4 Dianabol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 ??? 12 Arimidex 0.5 mg Everyday
Weeks 6 ??? 12 HCG 250 iu Every other day
Weeks 8 ??? 12 Masteron 200 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 8 ??? 12 Winstrol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 ??? 4 Insulin 8 iu Three Times a week (Workout days Only)
Weeks 8 ??? 12 Insulin 8 iu Three Times a week (Workout days Only)

PCT
Weeks 14 ??? 17 Nolvadex 40 mg Everyday
Weeks 14 ??? 17 Clomid 50 mg Everyday

Supplements During and After Cycle
Weeks 1 ??? 17 Cycle Support 2 Scoops a day
Weeks 1 ??? 17 Red Yeast Rice - 2400mg ED
Weeks 1 ??? 17 Slow Release Niacin - 1500mg ED
Weeks 1 ??? 17 Policosanol - 40-60mg ED
 
Drop the insulin. You dont need it and your not educated enough about it. If your going to ever do it it should be under supervision of someone with alot of experience not just shit you read on the internet. If what you read was wrong you can die....period.
Your not a professional bodybuilder so there is no viable excuse for risking your life for a few lbs of muscle. There is no good argument to suggest its a good idea for you at this time.

Increase test.
Increase AI and change it to a suicidal AI like exemestane or formestane. (aromasin or Formeron)
 
Your orals are all over the place.
Can you explain the reason for the use of each oral and why its being used in such a pattern?
Why 10 weeks of var+ 4dbol then win. 12 weeks of orals?
Again, your not a competitor or a professional....Long oral cycles are terrible for your health.
 
Umm don't really know where to start. Thats a lot of orals for one....anavar, dbol, and winny? What are you doing, cutting,bulking, or recomp? Sounds like you need to concentrate on your diet if you upped your bodyfat by 20% lol that is a hardcore dirty bulk. During pct use something like adex or aromason and not nolva. I would keep the cycle more simple not stress my liver with all those damn orals. Also you're likely to have high blood pressure problems again, thats nothing to fuck around with man.

Do you compete? This is just a heavy cycle for your second one. I would consider revising it. Can help more when you state your goals.
 
Good suggestions bro. Yeah insulin is dangerous and just not worth the risk. Referring to the test E, 750 mg per week? Would you replace the Deca for Equipoise since it has the tendency of activating the progesterone receptor? Exemestane 1 mg everyday Weeks 1-12.
 
Goals are as follows
1. To compete on stage soon
2. Gain at least 15 lb of new muscle while losing fat

since dbol and anavar are synergistic, massive gains are achieved when using both compounds in the beginning. both compounds complement one another. Anavar cycle can be dropped to 8 weeks if needed. Pertaining to the AI (aromasin) during PCT, what would be the suggested dosage?
 
Proposed PCT (Nolvadex Dropped)

Weeks 14-17 Clomid 100/100/100/50

Weeks 14-17 Aromasin 20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg


 
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enoc09 said:
Goals are as follows
1. To compete on stage soon
2. Gain at least 15 lb of new muscle while losing fat

since dbol and anavar are synergistic, massive gains are achieved when using both compounds in the beginning. both compounds complement one another. Anavar cycle can be dropped to 8 weeks if needed. Pertaining to the AI (aromasin) during PCT, what would be the suggested dosage?
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Take the word "soon" out of that statement bro. Quality muscle always comes later, never "soon". Just because you have the gear stocked up dont really mean that much or help that much. You still got to work your ass off every damn day
 
Yeah bro. Balls to the wall is my philosophy. I know i will compete. Just got to be patient.
 
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enoc09 said:
Yeah bro. Balls to the wall is my philosophy. I know i will compete. Just got to be patient.
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Good to hear bro. Just dont get discouraged if it takes longer than expected bro. and you may want to check into some BlackLion Formeron bro. good stuff
 
Your product seems very good. Will run it during next cycle. question though, if I were to use this product, what dosage would u recommend in place of aromasin which is dosed at 25 mg everyday?
 
enoc09 said:
Sup bros,

First time posting on this forum.

27 years old, 6'0, 195 lb, body fat 12%. Been lifting for six years (four years serious dedication)(was 230lb 30% bf and got down to 130lb 7% bf). Started at 170 lb, body fat 10%.

Ultimate goal is to weight 240 lb, 7-10 % bf. Hey, we all have dreams here bros, right?

Oct 2010: First cycle consisted of tribulus terrestris and maca which i did for 8 weeks. Gained 7 pound of muscle on this natural cycle.

May 2011: On my first AAS cycle, I managed to gain 20 lb of mass with the following cycle:

Past Cycle:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg/wk Sustanon (Monday-Thursday 250mg)
Weeks 1-3: M-drol 20 mg each day
Weeks 4: M-drol 30 mg each day
Weeks 10: 30mg/day Epistane
Weeks 11-13: 40 mg/day Epistane
Weeks 14: 50 mg/day Epistane
Weeks 4-10: 200iu (20 Mark on Insulin Syringe Right?) HCG Every Third Day
Weeks 1-12: 0.5-1.0mg/Everyday Arimidex


PCT
Week 15: 40mg Nolva, 100mg Clomid
Week 16: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
Week 17: 20mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
Week 18: 20mg Nolva

This cycle did cause me blood pressure problems but it did resolve itself two month after pct was completed.

I am new to home-brewing and this will be my first time attempting it. I have gathered all the materials needed (found valid sources on this site) for this adventure from this forum and other "bassk" site. After doing research for about five years and understanding how certain compounds are synergistic with one another, i have decided to run a somewhat complicated cycle. The following is not set in stone and all critiques and ideas are welcome to improve the cycle.

Note: Equipoise can be substituted for Deca at 500 mg weeks 1-12. Adding proviron to this cycle at 100 mg to free more testosterone would help as well. I would also like to add Tren Enthanate but not sure about that (just an idea).

Note: Not sure about the insulin since the substance is dangerous. Have done research on the subject and are well inform on the procedure on how to use the product.

Note: Planning on first using Priming (Keto) prior to starting the cycle to take advantage of the growth that is associated with this diet. Workouts associated with the diet (German volume training and tension training) will be implemented as well.

Note: Diet will be posted here for your critique and input. Thanks for your time bros and sorry for the long post.

June 2012 Cycle Maybe
​
Weeks 1 – 12 Testosterone Prop 100 mg a Week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
Note: Using this to bond to SHBG and Albumin since Primo is super expensive!
Weeks 1 – 12 Testosterone Enthanate 500 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 – 12 Deca Durabolin 400 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 – 10 Anavar 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 4 Dianabol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 12 Arimidex 0.5 mg Everyday
Weeks 6 – 12 HCG 250 iu Every other day
Weeks 8 – 12 Masteron 200 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 8 – 12 Winstrol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 4 Insulin 8 iu Three Times a week (Workout days Only)
Weeks 8 – 12 Insulin 8 iu Three Times a week (Workout days Only)

PCT
Weeks 14 – 17 Nolvadex 40 mg Everyday
Weeks 14 – 17 Clomid 50 mg Everyday

Supplements During and After Cycle
Weeks 1 – 17 Cycle Support 2 Scoops a day
Weeks 1 – 17 Red Yeast Rice - 2400mg ED
Weeks 1 – 17 Slow Release Niacin - 1500mg ED
Weeks 1 – 17 Policosanol - 40-60mg ED
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you do realize this is a liver killer, right? the slow release niacin alone is nearly as bad as two high dose orals together.....
like was already said, drop the slin!!!

you are going to have the worst lipid values probably ever seen from this, along with probably shutting your liver down....

I think you way overthought this... cut some orals, inj may be ok... between the anavar, and adex, winstrol.. you will fuck your lipids to hell....
 
overly complicated, test + deca + oral kickstart and MAYBE finish. No slin absolutely... Pick an oral to kickstart imo and up your test dosage around week 7-8 instead of adding another oral IMO.
 
enoc09 said:
Sup bros,

First time posting on this forum.

27 years old, 6'0, 195 lb, body fat 12%. Been lifting for six years (four years serious dedication)(was 230lb 30% bf and got down to 130lb 7% bf). Started at 170 lb, body fat 10%.

Ultimate goal is to weight 240 lb, 7-10 % bf. Hey, we all have dreams here bros, right?

Oct 2010: First cycle consisted of tribulus terrestris and maca which i did for 8 weeks. Gained 7 pound of muscle on this natural cycle.

May 2011: On my first AAS cycle, I managed to gain 20 lb of mass with the following cycle:

Past Cycle:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg/wk Sustanon (Monday-Thursday 250mg)
Weeks 1-3: M-drol 20 mg each day
Weeks 4: M-drol 30 mg each day
Weeks 10: 30mg/day Epistane
Weeks 11-13: 40 mg/day Epistane
Weeks 14: 50 mg/day Epistane
Weeks 4-10: 200iu (20 Mark on Insulin Syringe Right?) HCG Every Third Day
Weeks 1-12: 0.5-1.0mg/Everyday Arimidex


PCT
Week 15: 40mg Nolva, 100mg Clomid
Week 16: 40mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
Week 17: 20mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
Week 18: 20mg Nolva

This cycle did cause me blood pressure problems but it did resolve itself two month after pct was completed.

I am new to home-brewing and this will be my first time attempting it. I have gathered all the materials needed (found valid sources on this site) for this adventure from this forum and other "bassk" site. After doing research for about five years and understanding how certain compounds are synergistic with one another, i have decided to run a somewhat complicated cycle. The following is not set in stone and all critiques and ideas are welcome to improve the cycle.

Note: Equipoise can be substituted for Deca at 500 mg weeks 1-12. Adding proviron to this cycle at 100 mg to free more testosterone would help as well. I would also like to add Tren Enthanate but not sure about that (just an idea).

Note: Not sure about the insulin since the substance is dangerous. Have done research on the subject and are well inform on the procedure on how to use the product.

Note: Planning on first using Priming (Keto) prior to starting the cycle to take advantage of the growth that is associated with this diet. Workouts associated with the diet (German volume training and tension training) will be implemented as well.

Note: Diet will be posted here for your critique and input. Thanks for your time bros and sorry for the long post.

June 2012 Cycle Maybe
​
Weeks 1 – 12 Testosterone Prop 100 mg a Week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
Note: Using this to bond to SHBG and Albumin since Primo is super expensive!
Weeks 1 – 12 Testosterone Enthanate 500 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 – 12 Deca Durabolin 400 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 – 10 Anavar 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 4 Dianabol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 12 Arimidex 0.5 mg Everyday
Weeks 6 – 12 HCG 250 iu Every other day
Weeks 8 – 12 Masteron 200 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 8 – 12 Winstrol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 4 Insulin 8 iu Three Times a week (Workout days Only)
Weeks 8 – 12 Insulin 8 iu Three Times a week (Workout days Only)

PCT
Weeks 14 – 17 Nolvadex 40 mg Everyday
Weeks 14 – 17 Clomid 50 mg Everyday

Supplements During and After Cycle
Weeks 1 – 17 Cycle Support 2 Scoops a day
Weeks 1 – 17 Red Yeast Rice - 2400mg ED
Weeks 1 – 17 Slow Release Niacin - 1500mg ED
Weeks 1 – 17 Policosanol - 40-60mg ED
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^^^^^^ WHAT...:wits: I cant remember all that!
 
Way too much gear for your second cycle. It also looks like you're just throwing stuff in there because you have it.
 
Here is my revised cycle i will follow after i complete my CKD diet which will last for 4 weeks:

June 2012 Cycle Final
Weeks 1 – 12 Testosterone Enthanate 750 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 – 12 Equipoise 600 mg a Week (Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1 – 8 Anavar 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 4 Dianabol 50 mg Everyday
Weeks 1 – 12 Aromasin 25 mg Everyday
Weeks 11- 13 HCG 500 iu Every other day
Weeks 8 – 12 Winstrol 50 mg Everyday

PCT
Weeks 15 Clomid 100 mg Everyday
Weeks 16-18 Clomid 50 mg Everyday

Supplements During and After Cycle
Weeks 1 – 17 Cycle Support 2 Scoops a day
Weeks 1 – 17 Red Yeast Rice - 2400mg ED
Weeks 1 – 17 Liver Support (Milk Thistle) 1 Pill ED

Diets for both CKD diet and Bulking diet will be posted in the nutrition section of this forum. Wish me luck bros. Thanks to Burndel for his help on everything.
 
enoc09 said:
Goals are as follows
1. To compete on stage soon
2. Gain at least 15 lb of new muscle while losing fat

since dbol and anavar are synergistic, massive gains are achieved when using both compounds in the beginning. both compounds complement one another. Anavar cycle can be dropped to 8 weeks if needed. Pertaining to the AI (aromasin) during PCT, what would be the suggested dosage?
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What show are you thinking about doing?
 
Musclegauge1,

pretty much any i can enter. I have a professor in my state that mc these shows. He stated i can compete as long as i gain the weight and drop the fat.
 
Why the hcg post cycle?

I'd say 250 iu 2x per week (maybe 500 iu) during cycle
 
You need to drop EQ 2 weeks before test, it is a very long ester and if you don't drop it early it will still be around when you start pct
 
Wow I didnt realize thats your second cycle.
Bro your in way over your head.
Im not trying to be mean or burst your bubble but your adding in 4 new drugs in one cycle?
Diet is what makes a bodybuilder, not drugs.

Ill show you.
IN about a month Im going to run a bulker. No drugs.
Ill gain a lean 20lbs no gear.

People invest too much in the drugs.
IM not all saying dont use em. I fuking love gear.
But you dont need all that stuff on your second cycle.
This looks better but its just my O.

Test -1-12 750mg
Dbol- 1-4
Win- 8-12

There is plenty of time to add in more stuff. I dont think adding more than 1-2 new compounds at a time is a good idea.
the above cycle will put muscle on you if you eat properly.
 
I agree, IMO let test/dbol be the base of your bulking cycles. Run some tren or var once in a while for a serious cut, or get a little fancier if you're prepping for a contest. You don't really need tons of different compounds or crazy doses, you can only add so much mass in a cycle and it seems to be about the same no matter what you run. You can probably put on 20-25pounds with just a good dose of test and good DIET more importantly. Adding tons of other shit is just to satisfy man's need for new "toys", its fun to run different gears but in the end you can only gain so much and that all comes down to diet.
 
brundel said:
Wow I didnt realize thats your second cycle.
Bro your in way over your head.
Im not trying to be mean or burst your bubble but your adding in 4 new drugs in one cycle?
Diet is what makes a bodybuilder, not drugs.

Ill show you.
IN about a month Im going to run a bulker. No drugs.
Ill gain a lean 20lbs no gear.

People invest too much in the drugs.
IM not all saying dont use em. I fuking love gear.
But you dont need all that stuff on your second cycle.
This looks better but its just my O.

Test -1-12 750mg
Dbol- 1-4
Win- 8-12

There is plenty of time to add in more stuff. I dont think adding more than 1-2 new compounds at a time is a good idea.
the above cycle will put muscle on you if you eat properly.
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Agreed.
 
All of your agrugements are vaild. I am basing this cycle on research in which orals (when stacked), become synergistic. Granted, you can only add so much to a cycle and expect the body to efficiently process the medications, but keep in mind that the body is ready (primed) to gain muscle since the CKD diet would have finished at the begining of the cycle, thus the flood of different androgens would result in massive gains in the first four weeks of the cycle. In other words, androgen recepters would become super sensitive off the CKD diet thus, making it possible to gain muscle in a short amount of time: i want to take advantage of this rare event. As we all know that growth spurts happen only for short periods of time and since the CKD diet makes an individual susceptible to such a condition, that is why i am applying the ingestion of these compunds. Let this cycle flow and i will keep you posted of my success or failure bros.
 
I've never heard of anavar and dbol being synthergistic together. Can you explain what exactly happens? In my experience, orals only gave me strength and vascularity, and some gave me massive water retention and others didn't.
 
bulker, no drugs, gain a lean 20lbs, no gear !! Please post details, bro. I want this !!!!
brundel said:
Wow I didnt realize thats your second cycle.
Bro your in way over your head.
Im not trying to be mean or burst your bubble but your adding in 4 new drugs in one cycle?
Diet is what makes a bodybuilder, not drugs.

Ill show you.
IN about a month Im going to run a bulker. No drugs.
Ill gain a lean 20lbs no gear.

People invest too much in the drugs.
IM not all saying dont use em. I fuking love gear.
But you dont need all that stuff on your second cycle.
This looks better but its just my O.

Test -1-12 750mg
Dbol- 1-4
Win- 8-12

There is plenty of time to add in more stuff. I dont think adding more than 1-2 new compounds at a time is a good idea.
the above cycle will put muscle on you if you eat properly.
Click to expand...
 
Just wondering about the a dex ? Why so much ? I thought eod would be better for gains unless you def need it.
 
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