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WND EXCLUSIVE

Court says Obama violated Constitution

Congressman: Correct response would be for appointees to step down

Published: 11 mins ago by Bob Unruh
Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.


U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., says the correct next step in a fight over Barack Obama?s ?recess? appointments of three members of the National Labor Relations Board would be for them to step down.

The comment came today after the District of Columbia Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Obama failed to follow the Constitution when he made the appointments under a recess appointment procedure even though Congress was not in recess.

Issa, the chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said. "The president, who taught constitutional law, should?ve known better."

He continued, "As the Oversight Committee examined in a hearing a year ago, President Obama?s appointments looked like an obvious election-year pander to big labor bosses. Today, we know that it is American workers who are going to pay the price for the administration's arrogant miscalculation."

He said, "Today's ruling will certainly cause other opinions unconstitutionally issued by the board to be invalidated. To avoid further damage to the economy, the NLRB must take the responsible course and cease issuing any further opinions until a constitutionally sound quorum can be established. The unconstitutionally appointed members of the NLRB should do the right thing and step down."

He said his committee has examined the unconstitutionality of the president's recess appointments and the repercussions that his decision to bypass the Senate confirmation process for NLRB appointees would have on the troubled agency.

He said it's largely uncharted territory.

In a statement at the time the review was done, Issa said, "If the United States Senate can pass a bill and send it to the president for his signature, it is clearly not in recess. But a 'recess' is exactly what President Obama has argued in justifying four recent appointments."

The members named to the NLRB were Richard Griffin Jr., Sharon Block and Terence F. Flynn.

The issue was that the Senate, although not meeting every day, did meet regularly, and did not announce a formal adjournment. Despite that, Obama simply declared the Senate in recess and made the appointments.
Said Issa, "This is not a recipe for good government and effective rulemaking " it's a recipe for constitutional crisis."

The unanimous court opinion the judges said that the Obama administration's arguments were not persuasive.

"To adopt the" proffered intrasession interpretation of "the recess" would wholly defeat the purpose of the Framers in the careful separation of powers structure reflected in the Appointments Clause. As the Supreme Court observed " "The manipulation of official appointments had long been one of the American revolutionary generation's greatest grievances against executive power, because the power of appointment to offices was deemed the most insidious and powerful weapon of eighteenth century despotism."

That's why the "advice and consent" part of the Constitution requires Congress to approve presidential appointments, they explained.

But it's not reasonable for the president to determine when the Senate is in recess, they note.

"An interpretation of "the recess" that permits the president to decide when the Senate is in recess would demolish the checks and balances inherent in the advice-and-consent requirement, giving the president free rein to appoint his desired nominees at any time he pleases, whether that time be a weekend, lunch, or even when the Senate is in session and he is merely displeased with its inaction. This cannot be the law."

"The dearth of intrasession appointments in the years and decades following the ratification of the Constitution speaks far more impressively than the history of recent presidential exercise of a supposed power to make such appointments. Recent presidents are doing no more than interpreting the Constitution. While we recognize that all branches of government must of necessity exercise their understanding of the Constitution in order to perform their duties faithfully thereto, ultimately it is our role to discern the authoritative meaning of the supreme law."

The court continued, ?In short, the hold that "the recess" is limited to intersession recesses" The president made his three appointments " on Jan. 4, 2012, after Congress began a new session on January 3 and while that new session continued..

"The appointments were invalid from their inception."

David French, of the American Center for Law and Justice, which represented House Speaker John Boehner in the arguments, said, "Today is a good day for constitutional governance. " The opinion from the D.C. Circuit is a must-read"
He said it was important that the court "has rejected the Obama administration's direct challenge to our core constitutional system of checks and balances."

The underlying dispute was about enforcement of a contract involving soft drink bottling company workers at Noel Canning, who ultimately loss out in the appeals court arguments.

Joe Hansen, of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, appeared to not accept the explanation of the judges that there was, in fact, no recess.

"This decision is misguided. When President Obama made appointments to the NLRB during a congressional recess he was merely exercising his constitutional authority," he said in a statement.

The New York Times called the rule "a blow to the administration and a victory for Mr. Obama's Republican critics."

John Elwood, who handled recess appointment issues during the Bush administration, told the Times the decision if it stands will "fundamentally alter the balance between the Senate and the president by limiting the president's ability to keep offices filled."

The White House said it disagreed with the court.

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The court is obviously racist.
 
Obama playing fast and loose with the Constitution? Oh tell me it isn't so! That fuck disregards the Constitution when ever it suites him and his dictatorial goal.
 
Obama playing fast and loose with the Constitution? Oh tell me it isn't so! That fuck disregards the Constitution when ever it suites him and his dictatorial goal.

so when Bush did it you were ok with it, but since it's Obama now it's a "dictatorship"....
 
So, the courts ruled it unconstitutional. Let's see what happens next. Common sense would tell me that the individuals would be removed from their post immediately and other recess appointments made by King Obama will be challenged immediately in a court room, right? SMH.
 
so when Bush did it you were ok with it, but since it's Obama now it's a "dictatorship"....


Lam, why do you have your lips so firmly attached to Obama's ass? You on welfare or something? Since you love to play with Google and Wikipedia so much, go and see how many recess appointments Bush made. The real issue here is Obama DECLARED congress was in recess and made the appointments. He does not have the right under the Constitution to call congress in session or when it is in recess. He pulled this over a long not recess weekend. Get over it fan boy. Your long distance lover was bitch slapped by the court as he should have been.
 
so when Bush did it you were ok with it, but since it's Obama now it's a "dictatorship"....
The dems and libs in the media called bush out for EVERYTHING! All the time. Who the hell honestly thinks bush got fair reporting by the media? They were in all out attack mode for just about 8 yrs. but Obama spends and spends, does everything and anything he wants and the media sits there nodding their heads saying, wow he's AWESOME. And when he goes way over the line they say he was justified because of this or that. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! Don't read bush was awesome he wasn't.
 
Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?
 
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Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?

Basic human rights haven't changed like medicine has. You're questions is so broken, I don't know if I should call it a red herring, a straw man fallacy, apples-to-oranges, or something else.

The only think of note that's changed about the basics rights laid out in the Constitution is who it gets to be applied to. In that regard, it has only increased.

The point of the second ammendment is to ensure that the people won't suffer being the easy pickings that many other abusive governments have preyed on. But hey, if you trust the current government 100%, that's your choice; but it's no the choice of many of millions of other Americans. Nor was it the choice of the Founding Fathers.
 
Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?

if the people don't like the constitution it can amended to reflect the current times.
 
Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?

medicine has improved demonstrably in the last 250 years. please show me an improved form of government over that time period and we can further discuss your point.
 
Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?

Dangerous mentality. The more time that passes, the more the "fuck the constitution" mindset takes over.
 
Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?

Have you ever READ the Constitution, The Federalist Papers, or any of the writings of the Founders? The wisdom is as timely today as it was then. It is the document that lays down the words that tell government the people are to rule. It would take to long to explain it all. Besides, I seriously doubt you would listen anyway.
 
Have you ever READ the Constitution, The Federalist Papers, or any of the writings of the Founders? The wisdom is as timely today as it was then.

ever head to the Korzybski principle or general semantics? ALL LANGUAGE is open to interpretation, the meaning of words change with time and from place to place.
 
Let them step down, and let Congress waste more valuable time bickering over appointees to a board that won't have anything to do when our country goes bankrupt and there is no labor for them to relate to.

Go back to demanding his long form birth certificate, or searching for proof he's a muslim.
 
The point of the second ammendment is to ensure that the people won't suffer being the easy pickings that many other abusive governments have preyed on. But hey, if you trust the current government 100%, that's your choice; but it's no the choice of many of millions of other Americans. Nor was it the choice of the Founding Fathers.

I'm not saying there is a better form of gov't, I'm saying that document is outdated. Do you really think the 2nd amendment provides, from a weapons standpoint,
what you would need to build a well regulated militia? One that could prevent the gov't from oppressing you? Btw, I am for 2nd Amendment rights.

As for human rights not changing, of course they have. Abortion, gay marriage, etc are all things that would appear like purple unicorns to people back then. I'm sure there were gays, but they never talked about it. And what about aircraft? Surely a well-regulated militia that would be competitive against an army like ours would have needed aircraft and tanks...Why can't you just go pick one of those up at the corner store? The problem with a document as vague as the constitution is it's up for interpretation based on the times as well as who is in power at the time. Retain the basic framework and move on, it's outdated. And are the senate and congress really that necessary? It made sense 200 years ago, but with technology today, can't each individual vote whatever their stance is on an issue or choose to abstain? Do we really need a bunch of bureaucrats with ties to lobbyists dictating policy that really isn't in our best interest?
 
I'm not saying there is a better form of gov't, I'm saying that document is outdated.

Iceland blows away the US in every single department. sure they are a much smaller country but it's a country that actually cares about it's citizens and doesn't use and exploit them through lobbying and legislation. made all legal like.

in 150-200 years Iceland will still be the same and the US will be Mexico Part 2 long before then.
 
The reason for the 2nd Amendment is to keep the government in check. Remind the government who it works for, not who works for it.

Does the military have all kinds of groovy weapons? Sure does. Will they be used against US citizens in the event of an uprising? Quite possibly. But that would also assume that most members of the military will be okay with killing the people they swore to protect from all threats, foreign and DOMESTIC. To be most effective, and have the best chance of suppressing an uprising, they would have to bring everything overseas back here. No easy task and it will take a lot of time, probably enough time where it will already be over with the people as the victors.

The military may have cool weapons but the reason for us to have military style weapons is to make it so we can take and use those weapons, too. There are civilian pilots who were once military that can fly the attack helicopters, attack planes, etc. Tanks, even.

I'm not counting on an easy fight nor am I counting on victory. You, it seems, have already given up. I will give it a go if it's needed. To protect the rights of even those who won't stand up for themselves. I can't live with myself knowing my children are going to inherit lives where they are essentially serfs or slaves at the whim of someone who thinks they are better. And I'm not even former military. Just some average schmuck who is willing to take a stand for what is right.
 
I'm not saying there is a better form of gov't, I'm saying that document is outdated. Do you really think the 2nd amendment provides, from a weapons standpoint,
what you would need to build a well regulated militia? One that could prevent the gov't from oppressing you? Btw, I am for 2nd Amendment rights.

And what, pray tell, was a well regulated militia for? It's for the defense of the people. And who, at the creation of the Constitution, had been the biggest threat to the people? A corrupt government. Are you saying that that hasn't changed.

As for human rights not changing, of course they have. Abortion, gay marriage, etc are all things that would appear like purple unicorns to people back then.

We have added to the basic rights, but those rights haven't changed. Or has, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances", become outdated?

I'm sure there were gays, but they never talked about it. And what about aircraft? Surely a well-regulated militia that would be competitive against an army like ours would have needed aircraft and tanks...Why can't you just go pick one of those up at the corner store? The problem with a document as vague as the constitution is it's up for interpretation based on the times as well as who is in power at the time. Retain the basic framework and move on, it's outdated. And are the senate and congress really that necessary? It made sense 200 years ago, but with technology today, can't each individual vote whatever their stance is on an issue or choose to abstain? Do we really need a bunch of bureaucrats with ties to lobbyists dictating policy that really isn't in our best interest?

The argument that the document is too vague is pure nonsense. We'd have ended up with a document that really would have been outdated. I mean, if they hadn't mentioned assault rifles in the Constitution, the wouldn't be covered right? The fact that it isn't a 100% precise, down to the last detail, it was has kept the Constitution relevant.
 
Iceland blows away the US in every single department. sure they are a much smaller country but...

Much smaller? Iceland has a population of 320,000. My home town of Burbank, California, a single city in the USA, has a population of 105,000.

If size doesn't really matter, then I say we put La Ca?ada up against Iceland. La Ca?ada has a population of 20,246 with a median income $845,757. There are plenty of millions that live there, though. They also enjoy incredible health benefits.

So yeah, as in many other things, size does matter.

Demographics also matter. A lot.
 
so when Bush did it you were ok with it, but since it's Obama now it's a "dictatorship"....

Im not ok that any of them do it...and its not just the president thats shits all over the constitution daily. The very Congress that was in a pretend "recess" does it on a regular basis when it suits their agenda.
 
I'm not saying there is a better form of gov't, I'm saying that document is outdated. Do you really think the 2nd amendment provides, from a weapons standpoint,
what you would need to build a well regulated militia? One that could prevent the gov't from oppressing you? Btw, I am for 2nd Amendment rights.

As for human rights not changing, of course they have. Abortion, gay marriage, etc are all things that would appear like purple unicorns to people back then. I'm sure there were gays, but they never talked about it. And what about aircraft? Surely a well-regulated militia that would be competitive against an army like ours would have needed aircraft and tanks...Why can't you just go pick one of those up at the corner store? The problem with a document as vague as the constitution is it's up for interpretation based on the times as well as who is in power at the time. Retain the basic framework and move on, it's outdated. And are the senate and congress really that necessary? It made sense 200 years ago, but with technology today, can't each individual vote whatever their stance is on an issue or choose to abstain? Do we really need a bunch of bureaucrats with ties to lobbyists dictating policy that really isn't in our best interest?

Unless i missed some thing but gay marriage is still not recognized by the federal gov't and gays are still discriminated against by the gov't. My point is if a state recognizes a gay couple and allows them to be married why would the federal gov't not? Why are they not alloud to get federal benifits. These are also promises the Obama made 4 years ago that could have easily been changed, but instead of human rights he wants to focus on government rights. Why is marijuana still illegal? I mean seriously, I do not smoke at all and there are no studies that show its deadlier then tobacco or alcohol. People do not smoke up and go rob a bank they sit down and eat a bag of cheetohs.

but yes we still need the right to form a militia to protect out selves from the gov't. Sure we would be slaughtered and have zero chance against the military (that I serve), but it is our right to be able to protect our selves and I for one would rather die on my feet then live on my knees. Unless every one here is blind this is just a smoke screen to take away from the larger picture. The economy. Now Obama also launched a mission for GLobal Warming lol, and talks about banning college football... I mean serious who is this guy... These are all just smoke screens to get people to forget about some thing that actually matters which is our economy because he and the democratic party knows that under his policy it is impossible to fix. She they are using a stratigic plan to keep face with the democrates to ensure the odds of another democrat being elected next term is great. They know if he fails then they are fucked, but if they pass stupid laws that make all the hippys and bottle suckers happy then his approval rating will be higher.
 
ever head to the Korzybski principle or general semantics? ALL LANGUAGE is open to interpretation, the meaning of words change with time and from place to place.

that depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.
 
I'm not saying there is a better form of gov't, I'm saying that document is outdated. Do you really think the 2nd amendment provides, from a weapons standpoint,
what you would need to build a well regulated militia? One that could prevent the gov't from oppressing you? Btw, I am for 2nd Amendment rights.

As for human rights not changing, of course they have. Abortion, gay marriage, etc are all things that would appear like purple unicorns to people back then. I'm sure there were gays, but they never talked about it. And what about aircraft? Surely a well-regulated militia that would be competitive against an army like ours would have needed aircraft and tanks...Why can't you just go pick one of those up at the corner store? The problem with a document as vague as the constitution is it's up for interpretation based on the times as well as who is in power at the time. Retain the basic framework and move on, it's outdated. And are the senate and congress really that necessary? It made sense 200 years ago, but with technology today, can't each individual vote whatever their stance is on an issue or choose to abstain? Do we really need a bunch of bureaucrats with ties to lobbyists dictating policy that really isn't in our best interest?

I in no way feel that document to be outdated, or the second amendment. If the people as a whole are able to be as well armed as the local police force then it fulfills it's purpose of keeping the government in check. The same way a militia back then did, and the freedom of press does, and right to a trial by jury....etc. Right now there are roughly 350 million guns held by private citizens in the US. Roughly one for every US citizen. A modern militia doesn't need tanks, helicopters, and aircraft to be effective. A militia isn't meant to be as well armed as a modern military force in any era. Just like how back then cavalry, and frigates were part of the military, not the militia. A militia's strength comes not in it's overall firepower (or ability to match a military force straight up), but in it's numbers. We have what, roughly 1 million men in uniform right now? disarm the populace and that small number relative to the large population can control it. An armed US populace however could not be controlled by 1 million men. Tanks or not. We were much better armed than the Vietnamese, tanks and aircraft included. The Russians were much better armed in Afghanistan than the locals. Come to think of it we've been there over 10 years now better armed, and yet we are still fighting there. Same principle holds true here in the US with keeping the citizens armed. Let me be clear here. I am not advocating the populace fight the military. What i'm saying is that by keeping the populace armed equal to the police force, the check against a controlling central government which the founders intended by the second amendment is kept in place. It's not a perfect check, but when added to the other amendments in the bill of rights as a whole it is the best the founders could come up with, and for 250 years it's been relatively effective. better at least than anything else we've seen come along.

Now as to whether the Constitution is still effective having 3 branches of government keeping each other in check and if a senate and congress are still needed when we could have people vote directly instead of having our representatives lobbied, and corrupted the way they are. I believe that the Constitution still provides us the best form of government even to this day. It doesn't always work ideally, but it's better than anything else i've heard about. Truth is I don't trust the masses to be intelligently informed on an issue any more than the founders did. When I read posts from some of individuals on this board I loose faith in humanity just a little bit. Can you imagine what would happen if all president Obama had to do to get something passed as legislation would be to go on CNN and appeal to the masses directly? Talk about the potential to trample on individual or state rights.
 
Iceland blows away the US in every single department. sure they are a much smaller country but it's a country that actually cares about it's citizens and doesn't use and exploit them through lobbying and legislation. made all legal like.

in 150-200 years Iceland will still be the same and the US will be Mexico Part 2 long before then.

WOW, you never cease to amaze me LAM. When i've compared the US to other countries you've used size as an excuse to nullify an argument. Now you recognize the size difference, but somehow think your example is still valid?

By the way in 200 years Iceland will have been swallowed up by the ocean and the populace will either be living in Greenland, or the US. :nerd:
 
Also I beleive that the people organizing a militia can possible over through this country and beat out military. Few reasons, most members of the military in this case would never turn on Americans that are fighting for civil rights and the constitution. I have known many f18 pilots and I know for a fact none of the ones I know would ever drop on American soil no matter what the president says. Also no general nor admiral would turn the country he would die for into a battle ground. I know many high ranking officers who would just walk away before they take a free Americans life who is fighting for their own freedom.

Another point the military would be so penatrated by people who serve that support the militia that there would be no security, with gorilla warefar tactics and a population this size I dont think it would be a problem honestly.

Then you have the people that would want to stay out of it... The second an innocent childs life is gone due to an air strick or stray rounds that would create more anarchy that would put the militia more in favor. I don't support this at all and pray nothing like this ever happens to America in any ones life time, but being a vet on the ground I understand that power of persaverience and strength.
 
Lemme ask you constitutionalists a question...If you went to a doctor for a surgery and he pulled out a 250 year old textbook and told you this was his reference for the procedure, would you just let him cut you open?

Basic human nature does not change. This analogy holds no water in my opinion.
 
Dangerous mentality. The more time that passes, the more the "fuck the constitution" mindset takes over.

Can't say it better myself.

Have you ever READ the Constitution, The Federalist Papers, or any of the writings of the Founders? The wisdom is as timely today as it was then. It is the document that lays down the words that tell government the people are to rule. It would take to long to explain it all. Besides, I seriously doubt you would listen anyway.

If half the legislature actually re-read and learned what was in these documents, things would be better not worse.

ever head to the Korzybski principle or general semantics? ALL LANGUAGE is open to interpretation, the meaning of words change with time and from place to place.

This is what the court system is for, and in this case it served its purpose whether you think it was a waste of time or not. This just bothers you that the conservatives or neo-cons that you so loathe actually won something they were right to fight. Even more so that it was against the NLRB who fight for unions that you so love.

Basic human nature does not change. This analogy holds no water in my opinion.

I agree, Dale's argument is that of one willing to capitulate not stand up for what he/she believes in.
 
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