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U.S. government secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon users: Report

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[h=1]U.S. government secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon users: Report[/h]
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By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News
White House Correspondent






By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket ? 10 hrs ago








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General Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA) and U.S. Cyber Command, speaks to reporters ?Can you hear me now? Eep. The National Security Agency (NSA) has been collecting telephone records of millions of Verizon customers ? right down to local call data ? under a top-secret court order issued in April, Britain?s The Guardian newspaper reported late Wednesday. UPDATE: The Administration responds, defending a "critical tool" against terrorism and underlining that the government is not listening in on anyone's calls.
Under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) order, the Guardian reported, Verizon Business Services must provide the NSA ?on an ongoing daily basis? with information from calls between the U.S. and overseas ? but also with calls entirely inside the United States. Calls made entirely overseas were not affected. It was unclear whether phones in other Verizon divisions -- its regular cell phone operations, for instance -- were similarly targeted.
Guardian writer Glenn Greenwald, a frequent and fierce critic of the national security state?s expansion since 9-11, writes in his bombshell report that:
The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk ? regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.
The order, issued April 25 and valid through July 19, requires Verizon to turn over the numbers of both parties, location data, call duration, and other information ? though not the contents of the calls.
The White House initially declined comment, but a senior administration official defended the activities described in the Guardian piece without confirming the specific report.
"On its face, the order reprinted in the article does not allow the Government to listen in on anyone's telephone calls," the official, who requested anonymity, said by email. "The information acquired does not include the content of any communications or the name of any subscriber."
And "information of the sort described in the Guardian article has been a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats to the United States, as it allows counterterrorism personnel to discover whether known or suspected terrorists have been in contact with other persons who may be engaged in terrorist activities, particularly people located inside the United States," the official said.
Congress has been "regularly and fully briefed" on such practices, which occur under a "robust legal regime" and "strict controls and procedures...to ensure that they comply with the Constitution and laws of the United States and appropriately protect privacy and civil liberties," the official said.
Judge Roger Vinson?s order relies on Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act. That part of the law, also known as the ?business records provision,? permits FBI agents to seek a court order for ?any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items)? it deems relevant to an investigation.
Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, has repeatedly sounded the alarm about the way the government interprets that provision -- though he is sharply limited in what he can say about classified information. Wyden and Democratic Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado, another committee member, wrote a scathing letter to Attorney General Eric Holder in Sept. 2011 warning that Americans would be "stunned" if they learned what the government was doing.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) denounced the scope of the surveillance. "It?s analogous to the FBI stationing an agent outside every home in the country to track who goes in and who comes out," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU Deputy Legal Director. The organization's Legislative Counsel, Michelle Richardson, bluntly branded the surveillance "unconstitutional" and insisted that "the government should end it and disclose its full scope, and Congress should initiate a full investigation."
And former vice president Al Gore, on Twitter, sharply condemned the government's actions:
 
Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, has repeatedly sounded the alarm about the way the government interprets that provision -- though he is sharply limited in what he can say about classified information. Wyden and Democratic Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado, another committee member, wrote a scathing letter to Attorney General Eric Holder in Sept. 2011 warning that Americans would be "stunned" if they learned what the government was doing.

Legislative Counsel, Michelle Richardson, bluntly branded the surveillance "unconstitutional" and insisted that "the government should end it and disclose its full scope, and Congress should initiate a full investigation."
 
Holder and Obama should both go to prison. General population.
 
It just hasn't come out that AT&T are doing the same thing.
 
Holder and Obama should both go to prison. General population.

it's from the 2002 Terrorist Surveillance Program signed by EO by GWB. this is old news seems strange the press is digging this up again. it would appear they are just making a point about big brother and things to come. This is exactly why the retrofitted the USS Jimmy Carter to tap into fiber-optic cabling to monitor all calls in/out of the US, it's all part of that program.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://lawreview.law.ucdavis.edu/issues/41/3/intl-crime-terrorism/41-3_Maclin.pdf

http://www.rbs0.com/TSP.pdf
 
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So what you're saying is that GWB, Obama, and Holder should all go to jail, right?

hate to break the news to you DOMS but your about 3 decades behind on this subject. the paradigm shift to cyber war-fare was a topic of discussion back in the 80's and is only picking up speed now as the global economy moves closer to collapse. consider the US a giant test platform at this point.

and as to your list of 3 people you could add a couple dozen US leaders to that. but elites don't go to jail or prison, they never have and never will at most the sentence is exile. occasionally they end up on hit lists (JFK, etc.) but they don't go to prison, that's for poor people and scapegoats.

they didn't even go after Pol Pot for fucks sake. wiretapping? you really think elites are going to prosecute themselves? that's freaking laughable...
 
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So you are, in fact, saying that Obama should go to jail?

sure DOMS I'll play your little game. Obama and every single POTUS, VP, SOS, SECDEF, etc. back about 80 years so what's your point?

here's a news flash DOMS...the US was NEVER the country you thought it was. the only difference between now and then is the veil of deceit is finally being lifted....
 
sure DOMS I'll play your little game. Obama and every single POTUS, VP, SOS, SECDEF, etc. back about 80 years so what's your point?

here's a news flash DOMS...the US was NEVER the country you thought it was. the only difference between now and then is the veil of deceit is finally being lifted....

I just wanted to actually see a post where you say that Obama isn't Black Jesus. That's all.
 
All of 'em!

Every single last one of them are working on making sure none of us have any rights, just the elites. Yea it may just be where you're calling now, but you know that just the start.

Big brother isn't going to be happy until you have to ask permission to piss.
 
All of 'em!

Every single last one of them are working on making sure none of us have any rights, just the elites. Yea it may just be where you're calling now, but you know that just the start.

Big brother isn't going to be happy until you have to ask permission to piss.

The original Terrorist Surveillance Program was started under the Carter admin and was signed into law in '78. they just keep adding to it and adding to it.

people just don't realize that the turning point in the US was decades ago. while I do not find the loss of our rights entertaining I do find it fun to watch the puppet masters at work and how the masses respond to things they should have been paying attention too decades ago.
 
The original Terrorist Surveillance Program was started under the Carter admin and was signed into law in '78. they just keep adding to it and adding to it.

people just don't realize that the turning point in the US was decades ago. while I do not find the loss of our rights entertaining I do find it fun to watch the puppet masters at work and how the masses respond to things they should have been paying attention too decades ago.

Oh, i hear ya! These guys aren't even that good anymore. It's now like watching a magic show and you know all the illusions, they can't fool us anymore, but sadly, some people still haven't caught on yet.

All these congressman and senators are now trying to grow a conscience, but they had no problems following a lie to lead us to war. And all these guys that are trying to point fingers about a lack of leadertship, remeber, they all voted to go into Iraq!

What a farce, cause they all have the same agenda.
 
Oh, i hear ya! These guys aren't even that good anymore. It's now like watching a magic show and you know all the illusions, they can't fool us anymore, but sadly, some people still haven't caught on yet.

All these congressman and senators are now trying to grow a conscience, but they had no problems following a lie to lead us to war. And all these guys that are trying to point fingers about a lack of leadertship, remeber, they all voted to go into Iraq!

What a farce, cause they all have the same agenda.

"Actually, a good answer to this was given years ago by Adam Smith, someone we?re supposed to worship but not read. He was, a little subversive when you read him sometimes. He was referring to the most powerful country in the world in his day and, of course, the country that interested him, namely, England. And he pointed out that in England the principal architects of policy are those who own the country: the merchants and manufacturers in his day. And he said they make sure to design policy so that their own interests are most peculiarly attended to. Their interests are served by policy, however grievous the impact on others, including the people of England."

Noam Chomsky on Adam Smith and Capitalism

* the fools that speak of laze fair capitalism, THIS is exactly what they wished for they just didn't realize it because they didn't really understand and don't understand what capitalism is all about in REALITY...
 
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