Zimmerman Rescues Man From The Truck Crash

[Little Wing]

and you have not pinpointed any dependencies in zimmerman's statements? not one?

 

[Little Wing]

Like yourself I've said I don't know what happened. I have said i've seen no evidence to lead me to believe otherwise. So I accept it as it is. There is nothing out there for evidence that shows zimmerman was able to catch trayvon started the altercation, and then shot him from close distance (forensics show the shot occurred from a few inches, corroborating zimmermans account). there is plenty to indicate zimmerman did not catch trayvon, and that trayvon attacked zimmerman.

would zimmerman been in any danger, and had any scrapes to his face and head if he had caught up to and attacked trayvon? You yourself argue that trayvon was just a weak boy who would have stood no chance against the grown man zimmerman.

in the written statement he says the boy punched him he fell back and trayvon got on top of him. in the reenactment he describes going forward six paces or so after he was punched... there are just several points where he's not believable. on 911 call he clearly does not make plan to meet officers at his car but in recorded statement he claims he did. a lot of fish to smell if you're just curious what the truth really is. he only had 3 streets to remember and is a nw captain and can't recall stree right next to his. i know every street here for blocks and haven't lived here half the time he's lived there. fish fish fish.

 

[Little Wing]

trayvon punched zimmerman in the nose and the nose is all bloody. then trayvon tried to smother zimmerman but didn't get even the tiniest bit of blood on his hands??? fish.

 

[bio-chem]

in the written statement he says the boy punched him he fell back and trayvon got on top of him. in the reenactment he describes going forward six paces or so after he was punched... there are just several points where he's not believable. on 911 call he clearly does not make plan to meet officers at his car but in recorded statement he claims he did. a lot of fish to smell if you're just curious what the truth really is. he only had 3 streets to remember and is a nw captain and can't recall stree right next to his. i know every street here for blocks and haven't lived here half the time he's lived there. fish fish fish.

That's your evidence? I can't believe the prosecution wasn't able to convict

 

[bio-chem]

trayvon punched zimmerman in the nose and the nose is all bloody. then trayvon tried to smother zimmerman but didn't get even the tiniest bit of blood on his hands??? fish.

I kickbox, in 2 of my 3 fights i've bloodied the shit out of my opponent. In one fight I was covered in blood, one of my friends thought i was bleeding i was covered so bad. In the other not a drop on me. Your evidence doesn't hold up to real world experience. trayvon not having blood on him doesn't show shit.

 

[Little Wing]

they called it right because there is absolutely huge reasonable doubt. there's also huge reasonable doubt as to zimmerman being honest.

 

[Little Wing]

I kickbox, in 2 of my 3 fights i've bloodied the shit out of my opponent. In one fight I was covered in blood, one of my friends thought i was bleeding i was covered so bad. In the other not a drop on me. Your evidence doesn't hold up to real world experience. trayvon not having blood on him doesn't show shit.

fish shit

 

[bio-chem]

fish shit

ok LW, that made me chuckle a little. out of my own personal experience i believe trayvon could have bloodied zimmermans nose and not had blood on his hands. just my own personal experience.

 

[Little Wing]

it just seems gullible to give zimmerman as much benefit of the doubt, all things considered, that it takes to say he is completely blameless. i think watching him during the trial it's pretty easy to sympathize with him but after 20 years of parenting you get a spidey sense for bullshit. we are not getting the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. a lot of white wash went on.

 

[bio-chem]

it just seems gullible to give zimmerman as much benefit of the doubt, all things considered, that it takes to say he is completely blameless. i think watching him during the trial it's pretty easy to sympathize with him but after 20 years of parenting you get a spidey sense for bullshit. we are not getting the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. a lot of white wash went on.

Sure, there are many things that could of and should have gone differently. then a kid could have learned and hopefully matured from a situation like all the other 17 year old boys out there (myself included when i was that age doing dumb shit) ultimately I do not feel that zimmerman committed murder, or manslaughter however. unfortunately things didn't go that way. Things went to the worst possible scenario with both parties making mistakes along the way, and trayvon doesn't get to learn a lesson like the rest of us punk 17 year old kids do. hindsight is 20/20 and im sure zimmerman wishes he could do things differently. He still isn't a criminal in my book. At it's most basic points I do not have a problem with a guy carrying a gun, on neighborhood watch, and following someone he views as suspicious when his neighborhood has a string of recent break ins.

 

[Dale Mabry]

pup or not Trayvon felt he could take George,

Thought? In the absence of a weapon Zimmerman may be dead. At which point Martin should have been convicted of manslaughter

i'm not the only one arguing i'm just more tenacious. have you met maniclion? dale mabry? lots of opinions here that zimmerman is a criminal not a hero. i'm far from alone.

Since you dragged me into it I believe he is guilty of manslaughter. How anyone can think someone who was getting punked out by a 17 year old who may have weighed 165 soaking wet is beyond me, though. Is he a racist? I doubt it. Did he profile? Probably, but I don't believe every scenario where profiling is used is racist.

Sure, there are many things that could of and should have gone differently. then a kid could have learned and hopefully matured from a situation like all the other 17 year old boys out there (myself included when i was that age doing dumb shit) ultimately I do not feel that zimmerman committed murder, or manslaughter however. unfortunately things didn't go that way. Things went to the worst possible scenario with both parties making mistakes along the way, and trayvon doesn't get to learn a lesson like the rest of us punk 17 year old kids do. hindsight is 20/20 and im sure zimmerman wishes he could do things differently. He still isn't a criminal in my book. At it's most basic points I do not have a problem with a guy carrying a gun, on neighborhood watch, and following someone he views as suspicious when his neighborhood has a string of recent break ins.

I think that's the problem here. I feel if Martin had killed Zimmerman there is absolutely no chance he would have gotten away with it. That is the only place where I feel racism enters. If the story is told to a jury that Martin was merely walking home with a bag of skittles and dude followed him at which point Martin beat the shit out of him and killed him, I feel he would have been convicted, and rightfully so. In this situation, 2 people made multiple mistakes and only one paid for it, that's the tragedy. Age, hip hop, none of that shit matters. Just because you have the right to carry a weapon, and I believe people should have that right, I don't believe it should give you the attitude that you are a hero and that you should jump in to situations better handled by the police. If you are getting mugged, fine, shoot your assailant. But to chase after someone a police dispatcher tells you not to chase should make you liable. If some slob was chasing me down and I didn't do anything wrong I absolutely wouldn't run, I would beat the living shit out of him and I don't believe that gives him the right to shoot me.

 

[Little Wing]

Thought? In the absence of a weapon Zimmerman may be dead. At which point Martin should have been convicted of manslaughter



Since you dragged me into it I believe he is guilty of manslaughter. How anyone can think someone who was getting punked out by a 17 year old who may have weighed 165 soaking wet is beyond me, though. Is he a racist? I doubt it. Did he profile? Probably, but I don't believe every scenario where profiling is used is racist.



I think that's the problem here. I feel if Martin had killed Zimmerman there is absolutely no chance he would have gotten away with it. That is the only place where I feel racism enters. If the story is told to a jury that Martin was merely walking home with a bag of skittles and dude followed him at which point Martin beat the shit out of him and killed him, I feel he would have been convicted, and rightfully so. In this situation, 2 people made multiple mistakes and only one paid for it, that's the tragedy. Age, hip hop, none of that shit matters. Just because you have the right to carry a weapon, and I believe people should have that right, I don't believe it should give you the attitude that you are a hero and that you should jump in to situations better handled by the police. If you are getting mugged, fine, shoot your assailant. But to chase after someone a police dispatcher tells you not to chase should make you liable. If some slob was chasing me down and I didn't do anything wrong I absolutely wouldn't run, I would beat the living shit out of him and I don't believe that gives him the right to shoot me.

the fbi said they don't think he is a racist just has a hero complex. other instances where a hero complex can be dangerous would be a firefighter setting a fire etc.

 

[bio-chem]

Thought? In the absence of a weapon Zimmerman may be dead. At which point Martin should have been convicted of manslaughter



Since you dragged me into it I believe he is guilty of manslaughter. How anyone can think someone who was getting punked out by a 17 year old who may have weighed 165 soaking wet is beyond me, though. Is he a racist? I doubt it. Did he profile? Probably, but I don't believe every scenario where profiling is used is racist.



I think that's the problem here. I feel if Martin had killed Zimmerman there is absolutely no chance he would have gotten away with it. That is the only place where I feel racism enters. If the story is told to a jury that Martin was merely walking home with a bag of skittles and dude followed him at which point Martin beat the shit out of him and killed him, I feel he would have been convicted, and rightfully so. In this situation, 2 people made multiple mistakes and only one paid for it, that's the tragedy. Age, hip hop, none of that shit matters. Just because you have the right to carry a weapon, and I believe people should have that right, I don't believe it should give you the attitude that you are a hero and that you should jump in to situations better handled by the police. If you are getting mugged, fine, shoot your assailant. But to chase after someone a police dispatcher tells you not to chase should make you liable. If some slob was chasing me down and I didn't do anything wrong I absolutely wouldn't run, I would beat the living shit out of him and I don't believe that gives him the right to shoot me.

The police dispatcher telling him not to follow doesn't mean anything to me really. That person is not in a position of authority. They are on the phone a long ways away from the situation and competely removed from what is really happening. I don't think they have an idea what call to make in that scenario.
Here is the thing, I don't think this is a situation that Zimmerman pulls his gun unless he is being attacked. (in which he is justified) If you or Martin decide to ask him "wtf are you following me for?" nothing happens other than maybe a heated conversation. Big deal. CCW holders are pretty good at not drawing their weapons and shooting people to start shit.

 

[bio-chem]

the fbi said they don't think he is a racist just has a hero complex. other instances where a hero complex can be dangerous would be a firefighter setting a fire etc.

Except the part where arson is a crime, and following someone on a road isn't.

 

[Little Wing]

Except the part where arson is a crime, and following someone on a road isn't.

might not be a crime but in a world full of cannibal cops, dismemberment videos posted online, and women kept as sex prisoners for ten years etc a person could prove being followed made them reasonably afraid their life was in danger.

 

[bio-chem]

might not be a crime but in a world full of cannibal cops, dismemberment videos posted online, and women kept as sex prisoners for ten years etc a person could prove being followed made them reasonably afraid their life was in danger.

seems the law disagrees with you. you need more than "i was being followed" to attack someone.

 

[bio-chem]

When it all comes down to it nothing shown makes me believe that zimmerman actually caught martin. I do believe zimmerman did lose sight of martin, and turned back towards his car. At that point martin was safe, and could have just gone home. That is the turning point in my mind where the outcome of events leaves martin responsible for what happened to him. that moment is the turning point.

 

[Little Wing]

i was being followed i ran away the next thing i knew he was behind me again. i would have reasonable fear of bodily harm and that's all i need. no one has to lay a finger on me. i do not need to have a scratch on me.

 

[Little Wing]

When it all comes down to it nothing shown makes me believe that zimmerman actually caught martin. I do believe zimmerman did lose sight of martin, and turned back towards his car. At that point martin was safe, and could have just gone home. That is the turning point in my mind where the outcome of events leaves martin responsible for what happened to him. that moment is the turning point.

i agree to a point. why wouldn't zimmerman just say why he was following him or interested in his being a stranger there? wouldn't any rational person do that? and why would trayvon address zimmerman as "homie" a word that means male friend? zimmerman fed us a veritable sea of bullshit.

 

[bio-chem]

i agree to a point. why wouldn't zimmerman just say why he was following him or interested in his being a stranger there? wouldn't any rational person do that? and why would trayvon address zimmerman as "homie" a word that means male friend? zimmerman fed us a veritable sea of bullshit.

bwahahhahha. Nick Diaz called a guy he just fought in an MMA cage, and then later picked a fight with at the hospital afterwards "homie". Homie doesn't mean squat. Trayvon also called him a "creepy craker" are you going to argue that was a term of endearment now?

I don't think there was a chance for zimmerman to have that conversation. At least i've not seen any evidence in the phone calls (either trayvon's, or zimmermans) to believe there was time for a conversation between the two to explain what each one was doing there.

 

[Little Wing]

when trayvon asked do you have a problem zimmerman had the perfect opportunity to explain what his problem was. if you listen to all of zimmerman's accounts of what happened he added the homie after.

You Got A Problem Homie? - YouTube

 

[Dale Mabry]

The police dispatcher telling him not to follow doesn't mean anything to me really. That person is not in a position of authority. They are on the phone a long ways away from the situation and competely removed from what is really happening. I don't think they have an idea what call to make in that scenario.
Here is the thing, I don't think this is a situation that Zimmerman pulls his gun unless he is being attacked. (in which he is justified) If you or Martin decide to ask him "wtf are you following me for?" nothing happens other than maybe a heated conversation. Big deal. CCW holders are pretty good at not drawing their weapons and shooting people to start shit.

I don't think he drew on him until he was on the ground. I think the facts of the case show no one was in any immediate danger and had Zimmerman actually stood his ground, aka not went after him, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. Removed from the situation or not, listening to the 911 prevents Martin from being killed which is where I think Zimmerman was being reckless.

 

[Little Wing]

the police identified two opportunities zimmerman could have identified himself and diffused the situation.

 

[bio-chem]

I don't think he drew on him until he was on the ground. I think the facts of the case show no one was in any immediate danger and had Zimmerman actually stood his ground, aka not went after him, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. Removed from the situation or not, listening to the 911 prevents Martin from being killed which is where I think Zimmerman was being reckless.

This is not a stand your ground case. The defense never even had to mention stand your ground.

 

[Little Wing]

did you hear the cop say they got an anonymous call contradicting zimmerman's account ? the caller said that zimmerman tried to detain trayvon? betting it was the, "he warned me he'd shoot him" jeremy from 911 call.

 

[bio-chem]

the police identified two opportunities zimmerman could have identified himself and diffused the situation.

there were plenty of things along the timeline that could have changed the outcome. from both parties. no one is denying this. while they were mistakes they weren't illegal. from a legality stand point I feel zimmerman should be a free man. as he is

 

[bio-chem]

did you hear the cop say they got an anonymous call contradicting zimmerman's account ? the caller said that zimmerman tried to detain trayvon? betting it was the, "he warned me he'd shoot him" jeremy from 911 call.

too bad this anonymous person didn't testify in court. how anonymous could it have been? if you call 911 and hang up they call you right back.

 

[Little Wing]

many police stations utilize an anonymous tip line.

 

[bio-chem]

many police stations utilize an anonymous tip line.

I think you are kinda missing the point. My point being if you had seen the altercation clear enough that left a boy dead, and you could testify that zimmerman attempted to detain martin, then killed him, why wouldn't you do more than an "anonymous call'

 

[Little Wing]

because zimmerman is a scary man with a concealed carry permit and a judge daddy and you just saw him kill an unarmed kid. maybe a lot of nutless wonders out there and a lot of people happy a black boy is dead. but why make the call in the first place if they didn't care? zimmerman supposedly has a temper... can't know for sure but i guess they had their reasons.