I'm not the one claiming to know exactly what's in the proposal
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And this is what happens when labor unions go away.
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Just an FYI, in 2004, the unions workers gave $110 million in concessions.
You are claiming to know there was one. I never said what was in it. Get your shit straight.
yes you did. you said in the proposal they wanted to keep stealing the workers money. show me where in the proposal it refers to that. burden of proof is on you for making such a claim.
Quote me where I said that.
Quit being a moron. It's hard for you, I'm sure. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is more apparent with your every post. The company wanted the workers to take even more cuts while not putting worker pension contributions into the workers' pensions that the company had already siphoned off.
Is that really so hard for you to understand?
a cut in pay is stealing? if they're stealing it's against the law, where are all the lawsuits? why didn't the union help out their members and sue the company for theft of wages?
Last time, idiot. Let's say the workers were making $20/hour. Part of their contract with the company was for Hostess to take $3 of their hourly wage and put it in the workers' pension fund. Hostess was taking that portion supposed to go into the workers' pension and using as they saw fit. That is theft.
that's not what i'm asking. did you even bother to read my post?
you established you believe it was theft. that's great but you refused to answer my questions
I'll ask again,
if they're stealing it's against the law, where are all the lawsuits? why didn't the union help out their members and sue the company for theft of wages?
^^^ Swiper, you really are retarded. There was a blonde, dumb as rocks typical ditzy blonde mind you, at my last company that was our receptionist. We all wanted to fuck the chick but she was so stupid you couldn't get past it. You sir are the male equivalent, so stupid you turn everyone off I stead of learning so you don't look that stupid anymore. Stupid is a choice, remember that.
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Because technically it's not theft that is breaking the law.
It's not against federal law due to the fact that the pension money diverted did not come directly from employees.
thanks B, finally someone with a brain can give me a straight answer.
first off, I'm flattered you'd like to fuck me, but I'm happily married and straight. so back off and look for someone else to fuck you. I'm not interested.
secondly,
do you really think I care what you think of me? get off your high horse. you mean nothing to me.
you're an embarrassment to the orbit nutrition company. you're an ass hole that turns off a lot of business for them. shameful....
well now you are just being a fucking tool because it doesn't prove anything that you just said. Evolution hasn't been proven dumbshit. It is simply the best scientific explanation of incomplete data that we have. It is a theory that is constantly evolving itself because with each new discovery of bones we have to alter it yet again.
Who are you to judge a scientist for believing in God and the bible? There are plenty of men smarter than either of us who are Christian, believe in the bible, and are amazing scientists. So take a step back, pull your head way out your ass, and stop trying to pick a fight on the internet because you don't believe something someone else does. Neither Science or Faith proves, nor disproves the other, and if anything only compliment each other. Both are taking different roads to grasp at and explain something not fully understood.
This is the reason I hate atheists. You all claim you want to be left alone and not have others beliefs forced upon you, and then you go around putting your shit out there and twisting unrelated things just to pick a fight.
Who are you to judge a scientist for believing in God and the bible? There are plenty of men smarter than either of us who are Christian, believe in the bible, and are amazing scientists. So take a step back, pull your head way out your ass, and stop trying to pick a fight on the internet because you don't believe something someone else does. Neither Science or Faith proves, nor disproves the other, and if anything only compliment each other. Both are taking different roads to grasp at and explain something not fully understood.
This is the reason I hate atheists. You all claim you want to be left alone and not have others beliefs forced upon you, and then you go around putting your shit out there and twisting unrelated things just to pick a fight.
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You obviously don't understand the definition of a scientific theory. It's not a hypothesis, it's a proven explanation of a phenomenon in the natural world. Evolution has been proven, it's called a theory because the way it exerts its effects is constantly being discovered, not because we aren't convinced its proven.
Here's an example so you understand what a scientific theory means:
Germ theory is the theory that explains that disease and illness are cause by bacteria and viruses. We know that Bactria and viruses cause illness, yet we call it a theory because the way it works is constantly being discovered and updated.
Atomic theory is the same. We know matter is made up of atoms, yet we call it a theory for the same reasons we call evolution a theory. Got it?
So, now that we know evolution has been proven, we can see that the entire premise of Christianity never happened. Adam and Eve never existed, they never ate magical fruit, and Jesus never rose from the dead. Only a fuckin retard or a child would believe that.
What you're left with is a book written by fucked up men who sold their daughters into slavery and killed people for cutting their hair or touching pig skin. You base your life off of this book lol. There are better life lessons learned by reading a book written by Dr. Phil.
yes my posts and view points are supported by leading scholars and economists as I almost always site sources. while you seem to have the short bus crew on your side, that doesn't post any sources. that don't even seem to know basic US or global economic history.
gee I wonder who's view-ports are more in line with empirical data?
and speaking of Dunning-Kruger that's all you bio-chem because in the last couple of years I doubt one person here could say they have learned one single thing from you. and how many could say the same about my posts on economics and politics?
Actually, it did come directly from the employees.
You really are dense aren't you? That's sad. Like i've stated, and is easy to understand their are countless excellent scientists much smarter than either of us making wonderful benefits to society while also believing in Christ. Who are you to judge? How about you stop using things that were invented by people who believed in Christ since Darwin came out with his theory on evolution due to natural selection. Seeing as only fucking retarded children would ever believe in Christ none of their advancements could possibly be useful could they?
I'm well aware of what a theory is, and aware of it's limitations. Just like how evolution doesn't prove or disprove the miracle of a resurrection. You can twist it to believe that in your convoluted head if you want. if you really had read the origin of the species you would know it doesn't in any shape or form even address the resurrection of Christ.That's perfectly fine if you do want to twist unrelated things together. it doesn't mean shit, but do what makes you happy.
Please study up on Dunning-Kruger before you comment on it dumb ass. I've never claimed that I can't learn things here because I know more than everyone on any topic this forum might choose to discuss. I'm not hear to teach. I'm here to learn and share ideas. Dunning-Kruger directly addressed your false belief of intellectual superiority. As such it was a valid point, and a pretty intelligent way of putting you down. Many agree with me on that. As I am not claiming intellectual superiority of the internet masses I think i'm doing ok where dunnig-kruger is concerned. I think you are drastically overestimating your reach of educating the lowly masses on the internet by posting thousands of links of long, dry material on the internet.
stay humble dude. you won't have as many ulcers, or hemorrhoids. And while I wouldn't know from personal experience, I would assume that would make your butt sex easier without them.
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There are also historians who think the holocaust never happened too, so what? The scientists you mention are the product of early childhood brainwashing.
Evolution doesn't need to disprove miracles that defy natural laws. The onus is on the person making miraculous claims. That's like me saying that my I'm from outer space, and since you can't disprove it, you lose.
The only reason Christian scientists are of any value is because when it comes to their actual work, they use reason, logic and rationale. They don't think like Christians when they work. Otherwise, they'd be praying that god does their research for them, lol.
Btw, if you actually read the origin, you'd know that evolution is not Darwin's theory. In fact his grandfather wrote about it before Darwin was alive.
Here are pics of my book w notes.
I read the study years ago jack-ass long before you ever did, so yes I'm quite familiar with it. and economics is dry and boring but why would it be anything less? true it's hard reading but then again nothing is gained from easy reading now is it?
and I'm pretty sure you do not see the contents of my inbox and all of the thanks and praise I have gotten over the years from informing people on various topics. so while your head of granite may be imperious to obtaining any real knowledge on economics there are many whose isn't.
read what I wrote. I said his theory on evolution due to NATURAL SELECTION. I didn't say he came up with the theory of evolution. His addition to this science was the thought natural selection being responsible for evolution.
Yet again an assumption of intellectual superiority based upon nothing. You have no idea when I read Dunnig-Krueger, and I don't care when you did. It obviously doesn't matter who read it first, because you didn't understand either it, or what I wrote. Please keep posting however because each time you do you further prove my point that you are an ignorant fuck who assumes he is smarter than everyone else without basis. You've been completely owned on this, and many other subjects on this website yet you have blinded yourself to this fact by locking yourself up in your mothers basement and staring at your computer screen in a vain effort to fuel your own importance.
Couldn't cut it in the real world so you had to run here to make yourself a king? dude, get a life.
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To my understanding it was the company contributions to the pension fund that were diverted, not employee contributions that were diverted.
Hostess diverted workers' pension funds, company admits | BenefitsPro
The company was, at the time, teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, and made an announcement that it would no longer fund its pension plan. But company contributions were still coming and ended being used to help prop up the economically embattled bakery, even after Hostess declared bankruptcy in Jan. 2012.
Because those contributions came from Hostess and not its employees, pension experts say the scheme probably did not violate federal pension laws, though lawyer James P. Baker says the move was known as "betrayal without remedy."
Aptly named. Whether the money Hostess stole was put in to the pension by Hostess or from the employees is irrelevant, it was the employees' money.
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that's your weak ass comeback. Bring it you pussy internet tough guyUNIONS FAIL TO LIVE UP TO EMPLOYMENT STANDARDS
Summary
? Seven local labor unions are the primary backers of SeaTac?s Prop. 1.
? 64% of local union employees earn less than the living wage for a single adult with two children.
? 26% of local union employees earn less than a full time $15 an hour minimum wage.
? The average local union leader makes $114,851 per year, placing them in the top
10% of income earners.
? All of the national union CEOs are in the top 5% of income earners.
? Local unions are generating record revenue.
? Unions are promoting Prop. 1 as an organizing tool.
? Neither unions nor businesses should be subjected to arbitrary and burdensome
employment regulations.
Introduction
An initiative on the ballot this November in the City of SeaTac proposes to raise the minimum wage
from $9.19 an hour to $15 an hour for some transportation and hospitality employees. Proposition 1
would also impose a number of other requirements on local businesses, including one which would
force employers to favor full-time employees over part-time.
Labor unions are the key proponents of Prop. 1?although they are exempt from its requirements. In
addition to representing employees working for private and public employers, unions have their own
staff. Federal law requires that unions representing any private sector workers report certain financial
information, including staff salaries, to the Department of Labor each year. 1
These union reports, however, indicate that the same unions trying to place minimum wage and other
requirements on targeted SeaTac businesses frequently fail to live up to the employment standards they
advocate. While union employees struggle to get by on low pay, union CEOs receive six-figure salaries.
Though the unions are capable of paying their workers $15 an hour full-time salaries, they instead
spend their funds on attempting to impose Prop. 1 on targeted businesses as an organizing tool.
Compensation of Union Staff
According to reports filed with the state Public Disclosure Commission, unions have provided $619,986
in resources to pass Prop. 1, comprising 96 percent of the funds raised by the Yes! For SeaTac political
committee. Most of the remaining four percent came from organizations which receive union funding,
such as Puget Sound Sage.2
Union contributions dwarf the $294,019 businesses have raised to counter
the initiative.
The union-funded Yes! For SeaTac campaign website states that a $15 minimum wage is necessary to
help low-wage workers ?make ends meet.?3
Yet the 2012 reports filed by the seven union locals who have
supported Prop. 1 in SeaTac indicate that many low-level union employees are poorly paid in comparison
All told, 64% of union staffers earn less than the living wage for a single
adult with two children in Washington, and over one-quarter earn less
than the proposed $15/hr. full-time minimum wage for SeaTac.
http://myfreedomfoundation.com/docLib/20131009_SeaTacUNIONS2013PRINT.pdf
Summary
? Seven local labor unions are the primary backers of SeaTac?s Prop. 1.
? 64% of local union employees earn less than the living wage for a single adult with two children.
? 26% of local union employees earn less than a full time $15 an hour minimum wage.
? The average local union leader makes $114,851 per year, placing them in the top
10% of income earners.
? All of the national union CEOs are in the top 5% of income earners.
? Local unions are generating record revenue.
? Unions are promoting Prop. 1 as an organizing tool.
? Neither unions nor businesses should be subjected to arbitrary and burdensome
employment regulations.
Introduction
An initiative on the ballot this November in the City of SeaTac proposes to raise the minimum wage
from $9.19 an hour to $15 an hour for some transportation and hospitality employees. Proposition 1
would also impose a number of other requirements on local businesses, including one which would
force employers to favor full-time employees over part-time.
Labor unions are the key proponents of Prop. 1?although they are exempt from its requirements. In
addition to representing employees working for private and public employers, unions have their own
staff. Federal law requires that unions representing any private sector workers report certain financial
information, including staff salaries, to the Department of Labor each year. 1
These union reports, however, indicate that the same unions trying to place minimum wage and other
requirements on targeted SeaTac businesses frequently fail to live up to the employment standards they
advocate. While union employees struggle to get by on low pay, union CEOs receive six-figure salaries.
Though the unions are capable of paying their workers $15 an hour full-time salaries, they instead
spend their funds on attempting to impose Prop. 1 on targeted businesses as an organizing tool.
Compensation of Union Staff
According to reports filed with the state Public Disclosure Commission, unions have provided $619,986
in resources to pass Prop. 1, comprising 96 percent of the funds raised by the Yes! For SeaTac political
committee. Most of the remaining four percent came from organizations which receive union funding,
such as Puget Sound Sage.2
Union contributions dwarf the $294,019 businesses have raised to counter
the initiative.
The union-funded Yes! For SeaTac campaign website states that a $15 minimum wage is necessary to
help low-wage workers ?make ends meet.?3
Yet the 2012 reports filed by the seven union locals who have
supported Prop. 1 in SeaTac indicate that many low-level union employees are poorly paid in comparison
All told, 64% of union staffers earn less than the living wage for a single
adult with two children in Washington, and over one-quarter earn less
than the proposed $15/hr. full-time minimum wage for SeaTac.
http://myfreedomfoundation.com/docLib/20131009_SeaTacUNIONS2013PRINT.pdf
and what's your point? getting rid of all labor union will put upward pressure on wages? you won't find a single economic report in the world that states such.
