Half of fast food workers need public aid

[Standard Donkey]

i would take a large chunk of what now goes to the military and put it toward education. i would take the money wasted in the war on pot and put it toward education. i would take the money wasted building fancy ass prisons and put it toward education. i would invest in America rather than give billions to Africa etc. i would stop tax breaks for the rich and corporate welfare and put it toward education. i would tax churches and put it toward education. schools, books, music programs, arts, science labs... everything needed to feed and excite young minds would be provided.

def would not privatize.

establish that taxpayers are owed the finest education possible for every child that comes through the doors of an American school. hire teachers based on performance as well as ability to engage the children. have a very real focus on preparedness to thrive in our economy while making schools less miserable to attend. not allow the teaching of any brainwashing bullshit.

we say we are the greatest country in the world... why can't our schools be something that shows we are? why should we not invest in our kids like we believe they can be the brightest minds of tomorrow? we fail them miserably in that regard. kids have textbooks that are 20 fucking years old here. they graduate without being able to spell or do what used to be 8th grade algebra.

what would you do?

 

[Little Wing]

don't get too specific. lol. little wing 2016!!

a reasonably intelligent person doesn't need to be spoon fed how to get from point a to b. it's pretty common sense. more schools, more teachers, better teachers, better resources. deeper commitment.

 

[Big Puppy]

i would take a large chunk of what now goes to the military and put it toward education. i would take the money wasted in the war on pot and put it toward education. i would take the money wasted building fancy ass prisons and put it toward education. i would invest in America rather than give billions to Africa etc. i would stop tax breaks for the rich and corporate welfare and put it toward education. i would tax churches and put it toward education. schools, books, music programs, arts, science labs... everything needed to feed and excite young minds would be provided.

def would not privatize.

establish that taxpayers are owed the finest education possible for every child that comes through the doors of an American school. hire teachers based on performance as well as ability to engage the children. have a very real focus on preparedness to thrive in our economy while making schools less miserable to attend. not allow the teaching of any brainwashing bullshit.

we say we are the greatest country in the world... why can't our schools be something that shows we are? why should we not invest in our kids like we believe they can be the brightest minds of tomorrow? we fail them miserably in that regard. kids have textbooks that are 20 fucking years old here. they graduate without being able to spell or do what used to be 8th grade algebra.

what would you do?

i agree with a couple of your ideas.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe's system of prisons is a good example.
Hire teachers based on performance rather than tenure.
Not allow brainwashing of the kids
Provide a venue for kids to actually learn and do math and spell.

The problem with this is, GOVERNMENT created all these problems.
Sheriff Joe has been boycotted and sued by the federal govt.
Teachers of the public system get tenure and can't be fired. My kids get perfect grades except 1 different item each time. The teachers tell us that they have to mark them down on 1 item or they "won't show improvement". That is the type of bullshit that govt creates. Not enough checks and balances in the govt. There isn't a more wasteful system of business than anything the govt creates. Millions and millions of dollars are wasted and thrown away every year so that entities will get the same budget next year. The old "spend it or lose it" scenario that is exclusive to the govt. Govt is creating a no-lose false reality with all their policies. ex. No child left behind- worst law for education ever written. all it does is dumbs down the teaching to teach to the lowest denominator. The hard reality is there are winners and there are losers in life. Rich and poor. Smart and dumb. Motivated and lazy. people who take risks in hopes for reward and people who don't step out of their comfort zone. Govt creates and perpetuates this type of thinking. Privatizing would at least create the opportunity to fire someone who isn't worth a shit, unlike a govt position

 

[Little Wing]

if i were king i could fire whoever the fuck i wanted. the system has gotten exactly as absurd as you say. we need to knock the power out of it... L.A. Unified pays teachers not to teach - Los Angeles Times sooo much horseshit. all this crazy shit needs to stop.

 

[Swiper]

a reasonably intelligent person doesn't need to be spoon fed how to get from point a to b. it's pretty common sense. more schools, more teachers, better teachers, better resources. deeper commitment.

And i thought you wanted to privatize the schools. Any intelligent person can see how well private schools do against govt schools. yeah so keep throwing good money after bad. we spend the most on education yet have one of the worst test scores in the world. Govt schools have failed. it will never work. but yeah more money, more money, more money is the answer. lol

 

[Bowden]

And i thought you wanted to privatize the schools. Any intelligent person can see how well private schools do against govt schools. yeah so keep throwing good money after bad. we spend the most on education yet have one of the worst test scores in the world. Govt schools have failed. it will never work. but yeah more money, more money, more money is the answer. lol

Private and Public schools academic achievement results are affected by the socioeconomic backgrounds of the students that attend them.

Private schools have selective demographics.
They can admit students based on an internal screening criteria as to academics, parental stability and financial resources ect.
As long as they do not take federal funding they can discriminate as to who they admit, exception being racial discrimination.

By law, Public schools have to take anyone.

 

[Bowden]

i would take a large chunk of what now goes to the military and put it toward education. i would take the money wasted in the war on pot and put it toward education. i would take the money wasted building fancy ass prisons and put it toward education. i would invest in America rather than give billions to Africa etc. i would stop tax breaks for the rich and corporate welfare and put it toward education. i would tax churches and put it toward education. schools, books, music programs, arts, science labs... everything needed to feed and excite young minds would be provided.

def would not privatize.

establish that taxpayers are owed the finest education possible for every child that comes through the doors of an American school. hire teachers based on performance as well as ability to engage the children. have a very real focus on preparedness to thrive in our economy while making schools less miserable to attend. not allow the teaching of any brainwashing bullshit.

we say we are the greatest country in the world... why can't our schools be something that shows we are? why should we not invest in our kids like we believe they can be the brightest minds of tomorrow? we fail them miserably in that regard. kids have textbooks that are 20 fucking years old here. they graduate without being able to spell or do what used to be 8th grade algebra.

what would you do?

I would stop throwing money at schools like they can compensate as to all of the major root causes of poor academic achievement.
Parents and the stability of the home are some of the key factors in student academic achievement results
The socioeconomic backgrounds of students has more to do with the academic results of students than how much money is thrown at public school systems.

You can provide million and millions of dollars for funding public schools.
Pay teachers well.
However, if the students are not motivated by their parents outside of school to academically achieve and if their home socioeconomic environment is not stable then all of the money you throw at public schools and teachers is not going to matter.

 

[Swiper]

Private and Public schools academic achievement results are affected by the socioeconomic backgrounds of the students that attend them.

Private schools have selective demographics.
They can admit students based on an internal screening criteria as to academics, parental stability and financial resources ect.
As long as they do not take federal funding they can discriminate as to who they admit, exception being racial discrimination.

By law, Public schools have to take anyone.

And it's govt to blame. If they didn't tax the shit out of "property taxes" to pay for failing govt schools, people would have the money to send their children to private schools.

 

[LAM]

And i thought you wanted to privatize the schools. Any intelligent person can see how well private schools do against govt schools. yeah so keep throwing good money after bad. we spend the most on education yet have one of the worst test scores in the world. Govt schools have failed. it will never work. but yeah more money, more money, more money is the answer. lol

how many people do you know can afford $25K a year for private schools for each of their children? that's what the good ones run in the NE where I grew up. And in NYC they can go as high as $45-50K a year.


once again your wrong, the US doesn't spend the most on "public" education. and the US education model is outdated as it was designed during the Industrial Revolution. And with a consumption based economy critical thinking skills are no longer needed in the US, they can outsource that or import some people from other country's with HB1 visa's. the US government acts on the interests of the owners of the means of production, always has and always will.

Education at a Glance: OECD Indicators 2012
UNITED STATES
http://www.oecd.org/education/CN - United States.pdf

 

[Bowden]

A child has a single mom.
Dad is nowhere to be found and is a pos deadbeat that does not pay child support.
That mom works two part time fast food jobs for 16 hours a day to compensate for the facts that her employers will not give her full time hours and the employers will not pay her a living wage nor provides benefits.
The child sees it's mother only when she is not working.
The child's home environment is poor and not conductive to academic achievement.

A child has two parents that are living together.
Both parents earn middle class incomes and provide a stable home environment for their child.

The socioeconomic factors are apparent as to how they contribute to the academic achievement potential of both children and how all of the money thrown at public schools can not compensate for a poor socioeconomic home situation.

 

[LAM]

The socioeconomic factors are apparent as to how they contribute to the academic achievement potential of both children and how all of the money thrown at public schools can not compensate for a poor socioeconomic home situation.

and especially in the wealthy advanced country's in the OECD, there are so many studies and papers on the subject. to date the extreme "inequality" doesn't matter is wrong in every single account.

 

[Little Wing]

And it's govt to blame. If they didn't tax the shit out of "property taxes" to pay for failing govt schools, people would have the money to send their children to private schools.

you live in some sort of major denial fantasy land if you think a good education for an elite few will bring this country some rich reward. all our kids need to be helped to flourish academically and personally. i would start from a very young age trying also to give children the other things they are not apparently getting at home. nourish the mind, body, psyche of the children while i work on making our economy one where families can and want to put more focus on raising their children rather than mindlessly chasing money to acquire more useless shit or not have to neglect everything else to keep a roof over their heads. steer us toward being a brighter people as a whole and valuing our brightest minds and worthwhile achievements rather than glorifying some twinkling vampire. the whole fucking country is sick. it's not this or that it's everything.

simple per pupil spending has jack shit to do with performance btw. one parent can spend a shit ton on toys that just keep their kids entertained and another spend less on the right toys and keep kids entertained and learning. it has more to do with investing in them wholeheartedly on many more levels than financially. the whole shit storm needs to be torn down, rethought, and rebuilt.

 

[Swiper]

how many people do you know can afford $25K a year for private schools for each of their children? that's what the good ones run in the NE where I grew up. And in NYC they can go as high as $45-50K a year.


once again your wrong, the US doesn't spend the most on "public" education. and the US education model is outdated as it was designed during the Industrial Revolution. And with a consumption based economy critical thinking skills are no longer needed in the US, they can outsource that or import some people from other country's with HB1 visa's. the US government acts on the interests of the owners of the means of production, always has and always will.

Education at a Glance: OECD Indicators 2012
UNITED STATES
http://www.oecd.org/education/CN - United States.pdf

it's just under 4K where i live. you must have been ripped off.
the more people that go into private education, the more price will go down. basic econ. 101







*Teachers in the U.S. spend between 1 050 and 1 100 hours a year teaching ? much more than in
almost every country*

*Despite high overall levels of spending on education, teacher salaries in the U.S. compare poorly*
http://www.oecd.org/education/CN%20-...d%20States.pdf







"the United States spends the fourth most in the world on per-student primary and secondary education"
U.S. Education Slipping in Ranks Worldwide, Earns Poor Grades on CFR Scorecard - Council on Foreign Relations

yep, 4th most not first my bad. is there really much of a difference?








"The U.S. education system is not as internationally competitive as it used to be; in fact, the United States has slipped ten spots in both high school and college graduation rates over the past three decades, according to a new report and scorecard from the Council on Foreign Relations' Renewing America initiative"
http://www.oecd.org/education/CN - United States.pdf

 

[Swiper]

you live in some sort of major denial fantasy land if you think a good education for an elite few will bring this country some rich reward. all our kids need to be helped to flourish academically and personally. i would start from a very young age trying also to give children the other things they are not apparently getting at home. nourish the mind, body, psyche of the children while i work on making our economy one where families can and want to put more focus on raising their children rather than mindlessly chasing money to acquire more useless shit or not have to neglect everything else to keep a roof over their heads. steer us toward being a brighter people as a whole and valuing our brightest minds and worthwhile achievements rather than glorifying some twinkling vampire. the whole fucking country is sick. it's not this or that it's everything.

simple per pupil spending has jack shit to do with performance btw. one parent can spend a shit ton on toys that just keep their kids entertained and another spend less on the right toys and keep kids entertained and learning. it has more to do with investing in them wholeheartedly on many more levels than financially. the whole shit storm needs to be torn down, rethought, and rebuilt.

how did you come up with that from my post? try reading it next time and save yourself from further embarrassment.

 

[Little Wing]

a major investment just in tearing down old outdated schools and building modern solar powered ones will save money down the road. i'd start with buildings, staff, and materials that show every single child that this country values them and is ready to invest in them. no private schools. this country needs to really get the united we stand part and that our survival depends on being strong as a whole. parents would be free to provide extra studies at home but everyone would pay for and attend public school and have an equal stake in it being the best it can be.

and just to get stones chucked at me... kids walking around going blaaarbegurrrrglrfarrg all day would go to a different school. these kids need to not distract a normal classroom but at the same time they can benefit from some type of enrichment programs. they often have brilliant minds and unique abilities and deserve special attention and learning environments structured for them. their individual needs are usually completely sacrificed due to the absurd mainstreaming trend.

 

[Little Wing]

how did you come up with that from my post? try reading it next time and save yourself from further embarrassment.

sooooo people cannot afford health insurance but private schools shouldn't be a problem?

 

[LAM]

you live in some sort of major denial fantasy land if you think a good education for an elite few will bring this country some rich reward. all our kids need to be helped to flourish academically and personally. i would start from a very young age trying also to give children the other things they are not apparently getting at home. nourish the mind, body, psyche of the children while i work on making our economy one where families can and want to put more focus on raising their children rather than mindlessly chasing money to acquire more useless shit or not have to neglect everything else to keep a roof over their heads. steer us toward being a brighter people as a whole and valuing our brightest minds and worthwhile achievements rather than glorifying some twinkling vampire. the whole fucking country is sick. it's not this or that it's everything.

simple per pupil spending has jack shit to do with performance btw. one parent can spend a shit ton on toys that just keep their kids entertained and another spend less on the right toys and keep kids entertained and learning. it has more to do with investing in them wholeheartedly on many more levels than financially. the whole shit storm needs to be torn down, rethought, and rebuilt.

he has not one single clue about economics, that's what happens when people don't read they don't know or understand things.

tax and transfer systems reduce overall inequality due to the dispersion of labor income. property taxes tend to be slightly more regressive on those in the "low" end of the middle. personal income taxes are slightly progressive, consumption taxes are regressive on those that earn the least.

 

[Swiper]

sooooo people cannot afford health insurance but private schools shouldn't be a problem?

what's with your stupid coffee symbol? you think you made a good point or something? LOL


yes because if you look at your property tax bill, if you even own a house, you'll see about 75% maybe even more of it goes to the failing govt school system. give that back to the people to spend on private schools. the more people that enroll in private schools the more the price will go down. get it now?

 

[LAM]

what's with your stupid coffee symbol? you think you made a good point or something? LOL


yes because if you look at your property tax bill, if you even own a house, you'll see about 75% maybe even more of it goes to the failing govt school system. give that back to the people to spend on private schools. the more people that enroll in private schools the more the price will go down. get it now?

what private school in your area cost $2-4,000 a year? have you ever attended a private school? because they have much lower class sizes and also pay their teachers substantially more. the ENTIRE PRINCIPLE behind private schools in the US is that the children of the wealthy do not HAVE TO attend public education, they can go to private schools were their children can receive a better and more challenging education.

the wealthy will always children more thoroughly educated than that of the working class world history clearly shows this.

 

[Little Wing]

what's with your stupid coffee symbol? you think you made a good point or something? LOL


yes because if you look at your property tax bill, if you even own a house, you'll see about 75% maybe even more of it goes to the failing govt school system. give that back to the people to spend on private schools. the more people that enroll in private schools the more the price will go down. get it now?

it means i'm enjoying this thread while i'm taking a break with a great cup of coffee.

the private school idea is disastrous. in a country where over 14 million homes stand empty after being foreclosed on, with more people having their homes foreclosed on this very day, people trying to pay their student loans, home buyers loan, or mortgages while scrambling for low wage jobs, do you really think that could work? in just Massachusetts 1 of every 60 students are homeless. nationwide it is much worse.

 

[LAM]

it means i'm enjoying this thread while i'm taking a break with a great cup of coffee.

the private school idea is disastrous. in a country where over 14 million homes stand empty after being foreclosed on, with more people having their homes foreclosed on this very day, people trying to pay their student loans, home buyers loan, or mortgages while scrambling for low wage jobs, do you really think that could work? in just Massachusetts 1 of every 60 students are homeless. nationwide it is much worse.

he's nothing more than a parrot for ring wing talking points that he hears on the news, it's all he "knows". with out knowing and understand how and why the US public education was developed one can not clearly see why it's being allowed to fail at this point in time.

low wage service sector jobs do not necessitate a good education or the ability for critical thought/problem solving processes. they need people to stock the shelves with goods made in SE Asia and to push button on the register at check-out.

 

[Little Wing]

as much as people argue about all this stuff and butt heads i am LOVING that so many are involved in these discussions. i think more people are politically awakened lately and i think that's good.

i'm going to just mentally take a quick look at my town and very strongly bet that nowhere near 75% of property taxes got to our schools.

 

[Swiper]

he's nothing more than a parrot for ring wing talking points that he hears on the news, it's all he "knows". with out knowing and understand how and why the US public education was developed one can not clearly see why it's being allowed to fail at this point in time.

low wage service sector jobs do not necessitate a good education or the ability for critical thought/problem solving processes. they need people to stock the shelves with goods made in SE Asia and to push button on the register at check-out.

And still you won't answer my question of what rate per hour the federal minimum wage should be. give me and hourly pay rate, you phony.

 

[LAM]

as much as people argue about all this stuff and butt heads i am LOVING that so many are involved in these discussions. i think more people are politically awakened lately and i think that's good.

i'm going to just mentally take a quick look at my town and very strongly bet that nowhere near 75% of property taxes got to our schools.

he pulled that out of his ass, property taxes are nowhere near that high not even in the VERY HIGH INCOME communties outside of NYC in CT and NJ.

this report has some numbers. just about none of them are sufficient to pay for private school tuition for one child let alone a household with several children.

http://www.lincolninst.edu/subcente...es/ContentPages/documents/MTAdoc_NewCover.pdf

 

[Little Wing]

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

i would have said $22 an hour but reduced to $17 for teens still living at home.

 

[Swiper]

he pulled that out of his ass, property taxes are nowhere near that high not even in the VERY HIGH INCOME communties outside of NYC in CT and NJ.

this report has some numbers. just about none of them are sufficient to pay for private school tuition for one child let alone a household with several children.

http://www.lincolninst.edu/subcente...es/ContentPages/documents/MTAdoc_NewCover.pdf

no wonder, you're probably a renter whom gets no property tax bill. you're such a tool. any one who has a tax bill knows how much they pay to schools. obviously you don't.

 

[Little Wing]

Fair share? Analysis shows spending and tax burdens differ from city to city | Sun Journal

yea, numbers are way off. a quick google pulled up a lot of areas in the 20 percent range going to schools too.

 

[Little Wing]

no wonder, you're probably a renter whom gets no property tax bill. you're such a tool. any one who has a tax bill knows how much they pay to schools. obviously you don't.

where do you live? what town? i'll tell you exactly the split between city and education on property tax. i bet you are wrong.

 

[Little Wing]

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

love this crap

get educated get rich

dont leach off tax payers like the poor uneducated people


um...did we already forget about all the bailouts those rich educated people got from gasp....taxpayers...is this not the same thing


being bailed out for bad decision making


at least the dumb laborersworked for there pathetic checks...those ceos got bailed out and gave themselves bonuses with it