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Review & Outlook: Vive La France on Iran - WSJ.com

We never thought we'd say this, but thank heaven for French foreign-policy exceptionalism. At least for the time being, Fran?ois Hollande's Socialist government has saved the West from a deal that would all but guarantee that Iran becomes a nuclear power.

While the negotiating details still aren't fully known, the French made clear Saturday that they objected to a nuclear agreement that British Prime Minister David Cameron and President Barack Obama were all too eager to sign. These two leaders remind no one, least of all the Iranians, of Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush. That left the French to protect against a historic security blunder, with Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius declaring in an interview with French radio that while France still hopes for an agreement with Tehran, it won't accept a "sucker's deal."

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How anyone can defend voting for this guy once. Let alone twice?.......
 
How anyone can defend voting for this guy once. Let alone twice?.......

because he done less damage then Mitt would have done with exactly the same foreign policy minus the financial deregulation and supply-side tax cuts.

the owners of production dictate foreign policy not the POTUS, Admin Smith wrote about that over 150 years ago.
 
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because he done less damage then Mitt would have done with exactly the same foreign policy minus the financial deregulation and supply-side tax cuts.

the owners of production dictate foreign policy not the POTUS, Admin Smith wrote about that over 150 years ago.

Obama signed the extension of the bush tax cuts. so he does support supply side.

tax cuts are good because govt produces nothing of value. its better to let the people keep more of their money in stead of giving it to a govt that can't produce anything of value. govt can only consume wealth. it can never produce it like the people can.
 
Obama signed the extension of the bush tax cuts. so he does support supply side.

tax cuts are good because govt produces nothing of value. its better to let the people keep more of their money in stead of giving it to a govt that can't produce anything of value. govt can only consume wealth. it can never produce it like the people can.

tax cuts are only good if they are revenue neutral and not heavily weighted to the top, which is the exact opposite of what the Bush tax cuts were. as we were told by no less then 10 nobel prize winning economists in 2003.

the Bush tax cuts helped to make the housing bubble worst then it needed be as investers bought up to 40-50% of the residential homes in major bubble cities helping to artificially increase home values, so then there's that. it's called causality.

???Flip This House???: Investor Speculation and the Housing Bubble - Liberty Street Economics
 
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tax cuts are only good if they are revenue neutral and not heavily weighted to the top, which is the exact opposite of what the Bush tax cuts were. as we were told by no less then 10 nobel prize winning economists in 2003.

the Bush tax cuts helped to make the housing bubble worst then it needed be as investers bought up to 40-50% of the residential homes in major bubble cities helping to artificially increase home values, so then there's that. it's called causality.

???Flip This House???: Investor Speculation and the Housing Bubble - Liberty Street Economics

I'm gonna check those out at work tomorrow though most of that I already agree with. Swiper taxes done right keep income equality and markets fair; just as when capital gains were taxed at the same rate as ordinary income. When that stop gap is in place you have no incentive for all this financial engineering we see today, it's not lucrative enough and market work as they should freely.
 
because he done less damage then Mitt would have done with exactly the same foreign policy minus the financial deregulation and supply-side tax cuts.

the owners of production dictate foreign policy not the POTUS, Admin Smith wrote about that over 150 years ago.
are you mad. same foreign policy?

All Obama has done is damage this economy. Where the hell do you even live?
 
are you mad. same foreign policy?

All Obama has done is damage this economy. Where the hell do you even live?

name on piece of legislation out of Obama that has damaged the economy or reduced aggregate demand?

the economy has been damaged beyond repair more than any policy that can be implemented. I've explained this no less than a dozen times, 10 different ways. the post 2001 economy was unsustainable as it was built on mortgage debt.

Federal Reserve Bank San Francisco | Gauging the Impact of the Great Recession

the US never recovered the jobs lost from the minor economic downturn from the minor 2001 recession

Civilian Labor Force Participation Rate (CIVPART) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

the velocity of money has been decreasing since the late 1990's right before the tech sector bubble burst. it picked up slightly during the manufactured housing bubble in the 2000's then tanked again in 2008.

Velocity of M2 Money Stock (M2V) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

then there is the small fact that labors share is at record lows, this "might" have some effect with the slow down in the velocity of money. stagnant wages, and increasing inequality has put the majority of income in the hands of those with the propensity to save, further reducing aggregate demand.

Nonfarm Business Sector: Labor Share (PRS85006173) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Low wage jobs leading the recovery:
https://www.google.com/search?q=low...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

not a single one of these events has anything to do with Obama or policy enacted since 2009.

* this stuff couldn't be any easier to understand, your a rock.
 
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* this stuff couldn't be any easier to understand, your a rock.

How can one believe anything you say when you still can't figure out the difference between your and you're? you can't sit here and act intellectually superior when you make the same mistakes over and over and over. Just like your repeated defense of Obama come to think of it.
 
How can one believe anything you say when you still can't figure out the difference between your and you're? you can't sit here and act intellectually superior when you make the same mistakes over and over and over. Just like your repeated defense of Obama come to think of it.

sorry I type a mile and minute and think 100x faster and am playing BBC2 at the same time.

you are the rock that can't understand basic econ, any high school-er can understand this stuff. perfect punctuation on a message board I could give a fuck about, it's all good when I'm typing up reports for clients and that's what matters to me.

remember you the one that doesn't even know how to cite a reference and busts my chops for doing so! LMAO

the misuse of your and you're is one of the most commons spelling mistakes, anyone with basic knowledge of linguistics knows that.
 
Seems we are getting off track here so I will bring this back to the topic at hand.

#1 Obama has like a 36% approval rating. 60% of the country doesn't hate Obama for the color of his skin. The dude sucks at his job. which brings us to
#2 his foreign policy blows. If anyone decided to read the article (instead of trying a red herring and talking about economics. LAM) it shows Obama was willing to sign off on a seriously bad deal that would have allowed Iran severely relaxed sanctions for concessions that would not have slowed down their nuclear program. When the Presidents job is foreign relations shouldn't we expect more?
 
Seems we are getting off track here so I will bring this back to the topic at hand.

#1 Obama has like a 36% approval rating. 60% of the country doesn't hate Obama for the color of his skin. The dude sucks at his job. which brings us to
#2 his foreign policy blows. If anyone decided to read the article (instead of trying a red herring and talking about economics. LAM) it shows Obama was willing to sign off on a seriously bad deal that would have allowed Iran severely relaxed sanctions for concessions that would not have slowed down their nuclear program. When the Presidents job is foreign relations shouldn't we expect more?

the ONLY reason why the US doesn't want Iran to join the nuclear club is because it weakens the hold the US has over it. how many country's with nukes has the US invaded since the nuclear arms race started in the 80's?

zero.

the US and UK have been fucking with Iran for more than 60 years, those people deserve to be free of Western influence.
 
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the ONLY reason why the US doesn't want Iran to join the nuclear club is because it weakens the hold the US has over it. how many country's with nukes has the US invaded since the nuclear arms race started in the 80's?

zero.

the US and UK have been fucking with Iran for more than 60 years, those people deserve to be free of Western influence.
Yes, they do, the people do deserve to be free. We have been interfering around the world since WW2. Then again what happens in other countries can effect us here so i'm ok with my military and government exerting influence around the world so that shit doesn't reach us. The fact is I don't want Iran to be nuclear. I don't trust that gov't with nukes, and the vast majority of Americans don't either. Obama is a foreign relations pussy which has been shown again and again, and it was the FRENCH who showed strength and said no when obama was going to show a weakened foreign policy yet again. maybe that is because missles in Iran are much more likely to reach France than they would be to reach the US. either way a nuclear Iran isn't a good idea. Neither is a weak US
 
Yes, they do, the people do deserve to be free. We have been interfering around the world since WW2. Then again what happens in other countries can effect us here so i'm ok with my military and government exerting influence around the world so that shit doesn't reach us. The fact is I don't want Iran to be nuclear. I don't trust that gov't with nukes, and the vast majority of Americans don't either.

maybe that's because the majority of the US gets their information from pure propaganda sources like mainstream news networks.

what country has Iran showed offensive aggression towards? the only reason why you have negative feelings against them is because you have been programed to.
 
maybe that's because the majority of the US gets their information from pure propaganda sources like mainstream news networks.

what country has Iran showed offensive aggression towards? the only reason why you have negative feelings against them is because you have been programed to.
don't be daft. yet again you make assumptions about what i watch for news. you shouldn't make so many assumptions it seriously compromises your credibility, makes you look like a fool, and worse shows you for being a jack ass.

Trying to paint Iran in a positive light is ridiculous. If you would trust Iran with nukes you are a bigger idiot than i thought
 
don't be daft. yet again you make assumptions about what i watch for news. you shouldn't make so many assumptions it seriously compromises your credibility, makes you look like a fool, and worse shows you for being a jack ass.

Trying to paint Iran in a positive light is ridiculous. If you would trust Iran with nukes you are a bigger idiot than i thought

so you saying all the years that you did watch the news had no effect on you?

explain your position then. you feel that Iran is a threat to the US why exactly?
 
so you saying all the years that you did watch the news had no effect on you?

explain your position then. you feel that Iran is a threat to the US why exactly?
Yes, i'm telling you my years of fanatic watching of ESPN had no effect on my opinion of Iran.

How about you spend your time convincing us of why Iran is to be trusted instead of me explaining something everyone already accepts. The field is yours. we are listening..........
 
Yes, i'm telling you my years of fanatic watching of ESPN had no effect on my opinion of Iran.

How about you spend your time convincing us of why Iran is to be trusted instead of me explaining something everyone already accepts. The field is yours. we are listening..........

not being an expert in this field I decided to what one of the worlds leading experts on international relations has to say on the subject:

CONCLUSION
The conclusion is in two parts. After saying what follows for American policy from my
analysis, I briefly state the main reasons for believing that the slow spread of nuclear
weapons will promote peace and reinforce international stability.
Implications for American Policy
I have argued that the gradual spread of nuclear weapons is better than no spread and
better than rapid spread. We do not face a set of happy choices. We may prefer that
countries have conventional weapons only, do not run arms races, and do not fight. Yet
the alternative to nuclear weapons for some countries may be ruinous arms races with
high risk of their becoming engaged in debilitating conventional wars.
Countries have to care for their security with or without the help of others. If a country
feels highly insecure and believes that nuclear weapons will make it more secure,
America?s policy of opposing the spread of nuclear weapons will not easily determine
theirs. Any slight chance of bringing the spread of nuclear weapons to a full stop exists
only if the United States and the Soviet Union constantly and strenuously try to achieve
that end. To do so carries costs measured in terms of their other interests. The strongest
means by which the United States can persuade a country to forgo nuclear weapons is a
guarantee of its security, especially if the guarantee is made credible by the presence of
American troops. But how many commitments do we want to make and how many
countries do we want to garrison? We are wisely reluctant to give guarantees, but we
then should not expect to decide how other countries are to provide for their security.
As a neighbour of China, India no doubt feels more secure, and can behave more
reasonably, with a nuclear weapons capability than without it. The thought applies as
well to Pakistan as India?s neighbour. We damage our relations with such countries by
badgering them about nuclear weapons while being unwilling to guarantee their
security. Under such circumstances they, not we, should decide what their national
interests require.
If the United States and the Soviet Union lessen their opposition to the spread of nuclear
weapons, will not many states jump on the nuclear bandwagon? Some have feared that
weakening opposition to the spread of nuclear weapons will lead numerous states to
make them because it may seem that ?everyone is doing it?.
Why should we think that if the United States relaxes, numerous states will begin to
make nuclear weapons? Both the United States and the Soviet Union were more relaxed
in the past, and these effects did not follow. The Soviet Union initially furthered
China?s nuclear development. The United States continues to help Britain maintain her
deterrent forces. By 1968 the CIA had informed President Johnson of the existence of
Israeli nuclear weapons, and in July of 1970 Richard Helms, Director of the CIA, gave
this information to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. These and later disclosures
were not followed by censure of Israel or by reductions of assistance to her. And in
September of 1980 the Executive Branch, against the will of the House of
Representatives but with the approval of the Senate, continued to do nuclear business
with India despite her explosion of a nuclear device and despite her unwillingness to
sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Assisting some countries in the development of nuclear weapons and failing to oppose
others has not caused a nuclear stampede. Is the more recent leniency towards India
likely to? One reason to think so is that more countries now have the ability to make
their own nuclear weapons, more than forty of them according to Joseph Nye.
Many more countries can than do. One can believe that American opposition to nuclear
arming stays the deluge only by overlooking the complications of international life. Any
state has to examine many conditions before deciding whether or not to develop nuclear
weapons. Our opposition is only one factor and is not likely to be the decisive one.
Many countries feel fairly secure living with their neighbours. Why should they want
nuclear weapons? Some countries feeling threatened, have found security through their
own strenuous efforts and through arrangements made with others. South Korea is an
outstanding example. Many South Korean officials believe that South Korea would lose
more in terms of American support if she acquired nuclear weapons than she would
gain by having them. Further, on occasion we might slow the spread of nuclear
weapons by not opposing the nuclear-weapons programmes of some countries. When
we oppose Pakistan?s nuclear programme, we are saying that we disapprove of
countries developing nuclear weapons no matter what their neighbours do. Failing to
oppose Pakistan?s efforts also sends a signal to potential nuclear states, suggesting that
if a country develops nuclear weapons, a regional rival may do so as well and may do so
without opposition from us. This message may give pause to some of the countries that
are tempted to acquire nuclear weapons. After all, Argentina is to Brazil as Pakistan is
to India.
Neither the gradual spread of nuclear weapons nor American and Russian acquiescence
in this has opened the nuclear floodgates. Nations attend to their security in ways they
think best. The fact that so many more countries can make nuclear weapons than do
make them says more about the hesitation of countries to enter the nuclear military
business than about the effectiveness of American policy. We can sensibly suit our
policy to individual cases. sometimes bringing pressure against a country moving
towards nuclear-weapons capability and sometimes quietly acquiescing. No one policy
is right for all countries. We should ask what our interests in regional peace and stability
require in particular instances. We should also ask what the interests of other countries
require before putting pressure on them. Some countries are likely to suffer more in cost
and pain if they remain conventional states than if they become nuclear ones. The
measured and selective spread of nuclear weapons does not run against our interests and
can increase the security of some states at a price they can afford to pay.
It is not likely that nuclear weapons will spread with a speed that exceeds the ability of
their new owners to adjust to them. The spread of nuclear weapons is something that we
have worried too much about and tried too hard to stop.
The Nuclear Future
What will a world populated by a larger number of nuclear states look like? I have
drawn a picture of such a world that accords with experience throughout the nuclear
age. Those who dread a world with more nuclear states do little more than assert that
more is worse and claim without substantiation that new nuclear states will be less
responsible and less capable of self-control than the old ones have been. They express
fears that many felt when they imagined how a nuclear China would behave. Such fears
have proved un-rounded as nuclear weapons have slowly spread. I have found many
reasons for believing that with more nuclear states the world will have a promising
future. I have reached this unusual conclusion for six main reasons.
First, international politics is a self-help system, and in such systems the principal parties
do most to determine their own fate, the fate of other parties, and the fate of the
system. This will continue to be so, with the United States and the Soviet Union filling
their customary roles. For the United States and the Soviet Union to achieve nuclear
maturity and to show this by behaving sensibly is more important than preventing the
spread of nuclear weapons.
Second, given the massive numbers of American and Russian warheads, and given the
impossibility of one side destroying enough of the other side?s missiles to make a
retaliatory strike bearable, the balance of terror is indestructible. What can lesser states
do to disrupt the nuclear equilibrium if even the mighty efforts of the United States and
the Soviet Union cannot shake it? The international equilibrium will endure.
Third, at the strategic level each of the great powers has to gauge the strength only of
itself in relation to the other. They do not have to make guesses about the strengths of
opposing coalitions, guesses that involve such imponderables as the coherence of
diverse parties and their ability to concert their efforts. Estimating effective forces is
thus made easier. Wars come most often by miscalculation. Miscalculation will not
come from carelessness and inattention in a bipolar world as it may in a multipolar one.
Fourth, nuclear weaponry makes miscalculation difficult because it is hard not to be
aware of how much damage a small number of warheads can do. Early in this century
Norman Angell argued that wars could not occur because they would not pay. But
conventional wars have brought political gains to
some countries at the expense of others. Germans founded a state by fighting three short
wars, in the last of which France lost Alsace. Lorraine. Among nuclear countries,
possible losses in war overwhelm possible gains. In the nuclear age Angell?s dictum,
broadly interpreted, becomes persuasive. When the active use of force threatens to bring
great losses, war become less likely. This proposition is widely accepted but
insufficiently emphasized. Nuclear weapons have reduced the chances of war between
the United States and the Soviet Union and between the Soviet Union and China. One
may expect them to have similar effects elsewhere. Where nuclear weapons threaten to
make the cost of wars immense, who will dare to start them? Nuclear weapons make it
possible to approach the deterrent ideal.
Filth, nuclear weapons can be used for defence as well as for deterrence. Some have
argued that an apparently impregnable nuclear defence can be mounted. The Maginot
Line has given defence a bad name. It nevertheless remains true that the incidence of
wars decreases as the perceived difficulty of winning them increases. No one attacks a
defence believed to be impregnable. Nuclear weapons may make it possible to approach
the defensive ideal. If so, the spread of nuclear weapons will further help to maintain
peace.
Sixth, new nuclear states will confront the possibilities and feel the constraints that
present nuclear states have experienced. New nuclear states will be more concerned for
their safety and more mindful of dangers than some of the old ones have been. Until
recently, only the great and some of the major powers have had nuclear weapons. While
nuclear weapons have spread, conventional weapons have proliferated. Under these
circumstances, wars have been fought not at the centre but at the periphery of
international politics. The likelihood of war decreases as deterrent and defensive
capabilities increase. Nuclear weapons, responsibly used, make wars hard to start.
Nations that have nuclear weapons have strong incentives to use them responsibly.
These statements hold for small as for big nuclear powers. Because they do, the
measured spread of nuclear weapons is more to be welcomed than feared.

https://woc.uc.pt/feuc/course/MRI/2007-2008/Kenneth Waltz - more is better.pdf
 
Am I the only one hoping that Iran gets nuclear weapons? I hope they get them because it'll only end in one way: Iran and Israel will work jointly to nuke the entire Middle East into a wasteland. I'll miss the Israelis, but the net effect with be 314 million less Arabs / Muslims, and that's a win for everyone else.
 
LAM, who exactly is this leading expert you refer to? please don't link to a site that has an expired security certificate. I'm not looking for a porn virus.
 
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