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Why Wal-Mart can afford to give its workers a 50% raise

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Finance creates nothing.

creates a whole lot of poor people in the U.S.

the entire concept of investments in terms of economics is based on making money by investing in business that produce/manufacture tangible goods or services. the financial sector exploded in the US then the means of production has been off-shored so now it's profits are mainly derived from financing debt and collecting interest payments, for "money" that it creates out of thin air.

the US financial sector could be reduced by an easy 50%
 
As someone who is self employed I see why Walmart does what it does. High turn-over is due in large part that no one wants to work anymore. I have been a manager a Lowe's and seen this fist-hand. Everyone believes they should be running things and making more money than they are. The real truth is that pushing a broom and standing at a cash register is not worth a high wage.(yes these jobs need to be done) Job markets dictate wages and if someone doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, someone else does. If mopping is worth $15 per hour then managing by most people's reasoning is worth $30. I know that the wages seem unfair to the bottom man but the guy who has put in ten or more years, working his way up plus getting college or special training, is worth more to the company. Some of you argue about raising the lowest wages but is it fair to give a $3 raise to a $8per hour employee and not to the guy already at $11? If everyone receives the raise nationally, bankruptcy would be in the near future.

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As someone who is self employed I see why Walmart does what it does. High turn-over is due in large part that no one wants to work anymore. I have been a manager a Lowe's and seen this fist-hand. Everyone believes they should be running things and making more money than they are. The real truth is that pushing a broom and standing at a cash register is not worth a high wage.(yes these jobs need to be done) Job markets dictate wages and if someone doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, someone else does. If mopping is worth $15 per hour then managing by most people's reasoning is worth $30. I know that the wages seem unfair to the bottom man but the guy who has put in ten or more years, working his way up plus getting college or special training, is worth more to the company. Some of you argue about raising the lowest wages but is it fair to give a $3 raise to a $8per hour employee and not to the guy already at $11? If everyone receives the raise nationally, bankruptcy would be in the near future.

The problem with this logic is that even if everyone wanted to become a manager, everybody can't. The number of stores, say in a company like Lowes, is dictated by customer demand, not the number of cleaning staff that wants to move up to management. Each store can't have 50 managers. Then you have the problem that even if you work two 40 hour a week jobs, $8/hr isn't even enough to live. $32 k/yr will barely cover food, utilities and rent. This is why they are on gov't assistance. If they were paid a liveable wage we wouldn't need to subsidize those low wages with higher taxes to pay for handouts. Those low wages get you low prices up front, but when it comes tax time you get to pay for those low wages. People often make the argument that low skill jobs should be done by students, but most of the primary hours these companies are open are during school hours. One could make the argument that they could be taken by college students, but wealthy college students don't work, and the ones from the middle class who do aren't working 40 hours a week, and rarely are they going to night school, that's when working adults typically go. A working adult going to college can't live on $8/hr, and they certainly aren't working two jobs while in college. It's nice to think that people will just hold out for more money, but you have to live in fantasy land if you think that's going to happen. It's also nice to think that companies pay people what they are worth, but they don't. I worked in consulting a little over a decade ago. My company payed me 40k which is equivalent to $20/hr, but they billed my hours out at $80/hr. It's one of the reasons I will never work for anyone else again.
 
As someone who is self employed I see why Walmart does what it does. High turn-over is due in large part that no one wants to work anymore. I have been a manager a Lowe's and seen this fist-hand. Everyone believes they should be running things and making more money than they are. The real truth is that pushing a broom and standing at a cash register is not worth a high wage.(yes these jobs need to be done) Job markets dictate wages and if someone doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, someone else does. If mopping is worth $15 per hour then managing by most people's reasoning is worth $30. I know that the wages seem unfair to the bottom man but the guy who has put in ten or more years, working his way up plus getting college or special training, is worth more to the company. Some of you argue about raising the lowest wages but is it fair to give a $3 raise to a $8per hour employee and not to the guy already at $11? If everyone receives the raise nationally, bankruptcy would be in the near future.

Wal-Mart is spending 16 billion dollars of free cash on stock buybacks after all operating expenses.
That fact negates your argument that giving their employees 15 dollars a hour as a base salary and providing a comprehensive benefits package would bankrupt Wal-Mart.

I see no reason why tax-payers should have to subsidize Wal-Marts financial model of hiring low cost mostly part-time employees and then giving them instructions in the employee handbook on how to apply for taxpayer funded welfare benefits in every state that they operate in in-order to transfer the cost of those employees to tax-payers.
Just so that Wal-Mart can utilize its free cash to buy back 16 billion dollars worth of stock in-order to benefit financially the owners of Wal-Mart and Wal-Mart executives that own huge amounts of Wal-Mart stock shares.

This will illustrate in part who is benefiting the most from these stock-buybacks.
It does not include the members of the Walton family that own over 50% of the company.

These "insiders" aka. Wal-Mart executives/managers whose stock transactions are listed benefit from buy-backs as their shares are more valuable based on the share price when they execute a stock options distribution and stock prices are 'propped' up by buybacks.

WMT Insider Transactions | Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. Common St Stock - Yahoo! Finance

How the Walton family benefits from stock-buybacks is indicated here:

WMT Major Holders | Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. Common St Stock - Yahoo! Finance

Keep in mind that these share distributions are taxed at a capital gains rate of 15%
That makes the income tax hit on the 'incomes' of these billionaires lower than someone in the middle class that pays a 26% income tax rate.

The people that own Wal-Mart shares in say a 401k mutual find may benefit from increases in the stock price.
However when they take retirement distributions their tax rate is at an ordinary income tax rate.

It is easy to see exactly who is benefiting from stock buybacks and who is not.
The employees of Wal-Mart on taxpayer welfare sure as hell do not benefit.

Here is an article as to another way that these Walton family billionaires benefit from taxpayer transference of wealth via the way the tax code is structured.
In this case instead of taxpayer supplied welfare to their employees, it's how they utilize the rigged tax code that benefits the 1% to their advantage.


How Wal-Mart
 
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Think about this one for a minute when you see it in the insiders trading data.

WMT Insider Transactions | Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. Common St Stock - Yahoo! Finance

"Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $0 per share".

That means that Wal-Mart granted an executive stock option shares at a cost to them of 0 dollars a share.

Stock buybacks influence share prices.
So this is probably the major reason why Wal-Mart hires low cost employees and as a result has enough cash to afford to spend 16 billion on stock buybacks.
So that it can redistribute free cash flow to the upper economic class through stock-buybacks.
A method that benefits the the upper economic class most from their stock ownership outside of retirement plans, that benefit from a stock distribution 15% capital gains tax rate.
 
As someone who is self employed I see why Walmart does what it does. High turn-over is due in large part that no one wants to work anymore. I have been a manager a Lowe's and seen this fist-hand. Everyone believes they should be running things and making more money than they are. The real truth is that pushing a broom and standing at a cash register is not worth a high wage.(yes these jobs need to be done) Job markets dictate wages and if someone doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, someone else does. If mopping is worth $15 per hour then managing by most people's reasoning is worth $30. I know that the wages seem unfair to the bottom man but the guy who has put in ten or more years, working his way up plus getting college or special training, is worth more to the company. Some of you argue about raising the lowest wages but is it fair to give a $3 raise to a $8per hour employee and not to the guy already at $11? If everyone receives the raise nationally, bankruptcy would be in the near future.

You're the only one who wants to work, everyone else is a lazy fuck. :winkfinger:
 
good for Walmart for hiring people who want to work there. if you don't like your job that's not walmarts problem. it's your problem. go better yourself so that some day you'll be worth more than minimum wage or a "livable wage". you're only worth what someone is wiling to pay you. having no skills will get you no where.
 
The only problem with supporting Walmart is that you are supporting corporate welfare.
 
what welfare does Walmart get?

Not having to pay their workers so you and I pick up the tab for what the workers can't afford. Think food, housing, and healthcare. If you don't think that is corporate welfare then there must be none in your world.
 
Not having to pay their workers so you and I pick up the tab for what the workers can't afford. Think food, housing, and healthcare. If you don't think that is corporate welfare then there must be none in your world.

that's called personal welfare not corporate. has nothing to do with walmart and everything to do with peoples personal choices they make, like choosing a career at Walmart.
 
You're the only one who wants to work, everyone else is a lazy fuck. :winkfinger:
It's easy to read things that aren't there. I hate working most of the time and would rather go fishing or surfing IronMagazine.com.
 
There was a time not that long ago when a person could make a decent living and support a family working as a grocer, or department store clerk. Outside of corporate greed can anyone tell me why that's not possible today?
 
There was a time not that long ago when a person could make a decent living and support a family working as a grocer, or department store clerk. Outside of corporate greed can anyone tell me why that's not possible today?

the US economy has been permanently altered to benefit those that derive the income from capital versus labor wages.

the explosion of the US financial sector and Wallstreet during the same period of time that de-industrialization is rampant in the US defies the basic functions of economics. the dominance of speculative finance now dwarfs that of real investment which returns far less yields. but ultimately it all comes down to the fact that the banking systems "investments" are protected by the government. if they were to stand on their own legs with out having their investments backed by the government the system would collapse almost overnight, it's not self supporting and the 16T in secret loans from the FED to the US financial sector and Wallstreet is proof positive of that.
 
that's called personal welfare not corporate. has nothing to do with walmart and everything to do with peoples personal choices they make, like choosing a career at Walmart.

Walmart choosing to pay their workers less means more profits for them because we are subsidizing their employees. That is corporate welfare.
 
Walmart choosing to pay their workers less means more profits for them because we are subsidizing their employees. That is corporate welfare.


no, it's not.
 
the US economy has been permanently altered to benefit those that derive the income from capital versus labor wages.

the explosion of the US financial sector and Wallstreet during the same period of time that de-industrialization is rampant in the US defies the basic functions of economics. the dominance of speculative finance now dwarfs that of real investment which returns far less yields. but ultimately it all comes down to the fact that the banking systems "investments" are protected by the government. if they were to stand on their own legs with out having their investments backed by the government the system would collapse almost overnight, it's not self supporting and the 16T in secret loans from the FED to the US financial sector and Wallstreet is proof positive of that.

isn't it ironic how the Obama supports trickle down economics? giving free money to wall street and the banks hoping it'll trickle down to the peons? lol
 
that's called personal welfare not corporate. has nothing to do with walmart and everything to do with peoples personal choices they make, like choosing a career at Walmart.

It has a lot more to do with than just personal choices, it has to do with personal options. Who is hiring right now? Even if your argument is that you should make better choices, that's not rooted in the real world. Only 55% of lawyers who graduated in 2011 are actually working as lawyers today. Conservative logic is to look at a problem and answer it before even thinking past the first level about it. It's not as simple as want a job, work to better yourself, get a job. There are no jobs, and the only jobs out there are service sector jobs that pay shit. There are so many extraneous variables to consider you would have to be a fool to believe that bullshit. Besides, you protect Walmart as if they are some glowing example of how capitalism should work. The quickest was to determine how well they would work in a capitalist society would be to remove the social safety net. They would fold faster than those shitty $10 lawn seats they sell in the garden section. Something like $15 billion of their annual sales comes from SNAP alone, that's why they lobby to prevent cuts to the social safety net. That's not even taking in to consideration most of their employees would starve to death. So yes, it is corporate welfare when they don't pay a liveable wage because their entire business model is dependent on it.
 
It has a lot more to do with than just personal choices, it has to do with personal options. Who is hiring right now? Even if your argument is that you should make better choices, that's not rooted in the real world. Only 55% of lawyers who graduated in 2011 are actually working as lawyers today. Conservative logic is to look at a problem and answer it before even thinking past the first level about it. It's not as simple as want a job, work to better yourself, get a job. There are no jobs, and the only jobs out there are service sector jobs that pay shit. There are so many extraneous variables to consider you would have to be a fool to believe that bullshit. Besides, you protect Walmart as if they are some glowing example of how capitalism should work. The quickest was to determine how well they would work in a capitalist society would be to remove the social safety net. They would fold faster than those shitty $10 lawn seats they sell in the garden section. Something like $15 billion of their annual sales comes from SNAP alone, that's why they lobby to prevent cuts to the social safety net. That's not even taking in to consideration most of their employees would starve to death. So yes, it is corporate welfare when they don't pay a liveable wage because their entire business model is dependent on it.

the joke is on our govt for giving out "free money" And the suckers are the tax payers for letting that happen. Walmart is paying what people are willing to accept. when people no longer want to work for Walmart then you'll see wages increase. it's not walmarts fault people accept their job offers.
 
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no, it's not.

It sure is, buddy. It is corporate welfare in its most blatant form. It's Walmart giving everyone in this country a middle finger and a kick in the teeth. They are saying "We won't pay our people more because our profit is more important than the people who work for us and the taxpayer will pick up the tab for it."
 
the joke is on our govt for giving out "free money" And the suckers are the tax payers for letting that happen. Walmart is paying what people are willing to accept. when people no longer want to work for Walmart then you'll see wages increase. it's not walmarts fault people accept their job offers.

It is their fault when they are one of the few places in any given area hiring, and only hiring part-time, after destroying local businesses that supported the local economic area and all they offer are shitty wages. When unemployment runs out you are faced with either starving or working for shitty wages. Which would you choose?
 
It sure is, buddy. It is corporate welfare in its most blatant form. It's Walmart giving everyone in this country a middle finger and a kick in the teeth. They are saying "We won't pay our people more because our profit is more important than the people who work for us and the taxpayer will pick up the tab for it."

well if you think it's corporate welfare then you must support stopping it and not giving out free money to people.



It is their fault when they are one of the few places in any given area hiring, and only hiring part-time, after destroying local businesses that supported the local economic area and all they offer are shitty wages. When unemployment runs out you are faced with either starving or working for shitty wages. Which would you choose?

i already chose that i wouldn't be a slave to any company.
 
well if you think it's corporate welfare then you must support stopping it and not giving out free money to people.





i already chose that i wouldn't be a slave to any company.

You didn't answer the question. Starve or work for Walmart and their low wages?
 
well if you think it's corporate welfare then you must support stopping it and not giving out free money to people.





i already chose that i wouldn't be a slave to any company.

"You're all a bunch of fucking slaves..."
 
It is their fault when they are one of the few places in any given area hiring, and only hiring part-time, after destroying local businesses that supported the local economic area and all they offer are shitty wages. When unemployment runs out you are faced with either starving or working for shitty wages. Which would you choose?

Farm the land and be self sufficient, or at least learn a skill in self sufficiency and teach others....
 
Farm the land and be self sufficient, or at least learn a skill in self sufficiency and teach others....

How do you propose that people making 7.50 - 9.00 an hour can save up enough money to buy enough land to farm on and be self sufficient?
 
How do you propose that people making 7.50 - 9.00 an hour can save up enough money to buy enough land to farm on and be self sufficient?

Nigga up bitch, 40 acres and a mule is all you need....

And princesses lay down your crowns, we're all paupers now, not enough princes in this Kingdom of Fear
 
Sell dope, steal cars, etc. There's a lot of options out there for those with ambition.

Smoke dope on weekends, and wash cars all week, plus a full time job, whatever you gotta do...take a page from any point in history where the monarchs held us down...work your ass off, hide from the Sherriff and do good work...
 
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