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sorry about last thread i accidentally hit a button and it posted before i was done typing, please see below and thank you for your time and patience.

so i was given some test cyp from a childhood friend. he said it would help me get my grove back.... a lil history, i am 41 years old, 6'1, 256lb and was an avid weightlifter for many years in my teens through my late 20's. at 27 i was peaked and was a pretty built guy, and have never done any gear. now i am 41, about 30% body fat. i have got a membership to a gym, bought some home Olympic weights and a nice bench with some attachments that i can use to do a myriad of exercises at home. I have been attacking it like a man on a mission for about 3 weeks, because i am. i can already feel it, and it feels good. my posture has changed and i feel much stronger. i rep'd 225, 5 times and felt like a beast. the guy at the gym said it was due to muscle memory ( i used to warm up with 225, 10 quick reps to get my blood pumping, max bench was 335 when i was 27) ......So my good friend hands me a bottle of test cyp and tells me to take 350mg a week for 10 weeks and get some clomid and nolvadex for pct. i started doing research online and found some garbage and also found some good info, which is how i ended up here. so my question; will 350mg of test cyp, 175mg adminitered in 2 equal injection per week, help me to burn the fat, get my strength back, and give my wife the meat like i did 10 years ago? with exercise and high protein/ low carb diet of coarse. any advise is greatly appreciated.
 
You're not going to burn fat with test cyp alone. Anything less than 500 mg/wk is going to be a waste. It sounds like things are going well for you. Why risk fucking it up for pinning just above a trt dose? You may or may not get some results at that dose and it may not raise your test levels much higher than where they are right now. You're risking shutting yourself down and being on TRT for life. At 500 mg/wk, which is the the basic beginner cycle I've ever come across, you are almost guaranteed an increase in your test level unless the gear is bunk or you screw something up(not keeping pin schedule, etc.). That's just my opinion. I have an asshole too. Lol. Good luck.
 
thanks for your response. that sounds like good solid advise. I'm not sure how much i can "fuck up" since nothing currently works as it should. I can get as much AAS as i want.... so if i were to do 500 mg a week, pinned twice weekly, what else would i need with it to get this fat off of me? im not a cardio type of person, never have been. i hear its over rated anyways :) I want to run a cycle, but i want to run an intelligent first cycle that will give me some gains, with a harder more lean look. im not scared of needles and im not scared to spend the money. so if you can break it down for me, i would be grateful. what mean "i have an asshole too?" a wifey, that makes you feel like a lump of shit too????
 
I was referring to the phrase opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I'm on my third week of tren and I've been living with my alter ego who thinks hes a stand-up comedian for the last few days. I keep bitch slapping him but he keeps coming back. I spent most of my day talking to myself because no one else can stand me.

Enough about me. Let's get back to you. Have you read Heavy Iron's sticky on first cycle advice. If you haven't, shame on you. Go to the garage, get the tack hammer and beat yourself incessantly but not before you read his article. Then and ONLY then can you beat yourself with that tack hammer. That article has everything you need and so much more for your first cycle. I would attempt to explain all that to you but I havent put one let alone two complete thoughts together for some time now. In fact, I don't even know where I am right now. Most of this may or may not be real. Seriously, go read that article and come back more. Ill be waiting.....outside your window. LOL
 
will 350mg of test cyp, 175mg adminitered in 2 equal injection per week, help me to burn the fat, get my strength back, and give my wife the meat like i did 10 years ago? with exercise and high protein/ low carb diet of coarse. any advise is greatly appreciated.

For your weight/size/age etc you'll need to eat around 2500-2700 cals a day in order to lose 2-3 lbs a wk. You'll have to fine tune your macros though to your specific needs.

As far as libido, yeah 350 wk will help. A lot.

You could make decent changes to your physique on 350/wk. Youre not going to get bigger on a calorie deficit, so just keep that in mind. But you can get stronger, leaner and more pumped on just 350. Your diet is the key here. Youre going to have to start counting cals/macros just to be sure youre on track.

*As far as ancills to help you lose more fat on cycle, you could use ephedrine/caffeine. Simple and dirt cheap and readilly available at cvs or walmart. Or go the research route and run clenbuterol. Theres other things as well but keep it simple for a first run. On a cal deficit, training 5-6 days a week, using thermogenics, you will lose the fat and improve your physique.

And if you can run 500/wk, then go for it.
 
30% BF....41 yrs old

What's a grove?

You are talking about max bench when you were 27....:coffee:

This thread has all the warning signs pointing to what is wrong with people doing cycles and the stereotypes and labels put on them. Bald dummies talking about max this and max that.... Fuck your max bench at 27. This is all about BF% at 41years old. Nothing named Max in this program. All about high reps and cardio. What is your diet? What do you eat? This process is going to take at least 8 months to a year and you are looking for a standing ovation at 3 weeks? You feel like a beast...with what...60lbs of fat covering you..???? I'll come back here in 8 months and see where you are at. Besides that....I'm not wasting my time. Give up alcohol while you are at it. Make a sacrifice or three. Save the testosterone for when you get to 15% BF. Cause that is when the real challenge is going to start. Just run ECA and some test boosters right now. VD, DAA, horny goat weed for your little lady...etc. 10 weeks of test c at 350 is pointless. You are just going to bloat up and look worse. Then feel like shit after 10 weeks and get depressed. All about diet and cardio right now. Good luck.
 
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Thats hard!!!
But some valid points to concider...lifestyle??
41 and 30%?? You will need too look at the total pic
Gear is not a fix all- they do all it proformance enhancing for a reason...People think they can take juice and become Lance Fucking Armstrong !!! No
Sorry, but without some hard asd work and committment, gear will only add to the problem..
 
30% BF....41 yrs old

What's a grove?

You are talking about max bench when you were 27....:coffee:

This thread has all the warning signs pointing to what is wrong with people doing cycles and the stereotypes and labels put on them. Bald dummies talking about max this and max that.... Fuck your max bench at 27. This is all about BF% at 41years old. Nothing named Max in this program. All about high reps and cardio. What is your diet? What do you eat? This process is going to take at least 8 months to a year and you are looking for a standing ovation at 3 weeks? You feel like a beast...with what...60lbs of fat covering you..???? I'll come back here in 8 months and see where you are at. Besides that....I'm not wasting my time. Give up alcohol while you are at it. Make a sacrifice or three. Save the testosterone for when you get to 15% BF. Cause that is when the real challenge is going to start. Just run ECA and some test boosters right now. VD, DAA, horny goat weed for your little lady...etc. 10 weeks of test c at 350 is pointless. You are just going to bloat up and look worse. Then feel like shit after 10 weeks and get depressed. All about diet and cardio right now. Good luck.

wow, that was pretty harsh but ok. when i was talking about max this at 27 that i was trying to give some history. im not new to weightlifting, and im not looking for a standing ovation, and im certainly not bald..i have a full, thick head of hair. if i were to go to a Dr with my current symtoms most likely would put me on TRT, so why is it i need to wait until im a marathon runner before i think about using something a Dr would give me to treat low sex drive, fat and focus now? Im not looking to go pro body builder in 10 weeks. im trying to lose some fat, get some strength and sex drive back and not feel sluggish. sorry if this offends you in some way. testosterone is widely used by Dr's for many things other than body building and they dont require you to be a pro athlete at 12% bf to start. I think you may have missed the reason I want to use it.
 
For your weight/size/age etc you'll need to eat around 2500-2700 cals a day in order to lose 2-3 lbs a wk. You'll have to fine tune your macros though to your specific needs.

As far as libido, yeah 350 wk will help. A lot.

You could make decent changes to your physique on 350/wk. Youre not going to get bigger on a calorie deficit, so just keep that in mind. But you can get stronger, leaner and more pumped on just 350. Your diet is the key here. Youre going to have to start counting cals/macros just to be sure youre on track.

*As far as ancills to help you lose more fat on cycle, you could use ephedrine/caffeine. Simple and dirt cheap and readilly available at cvs or walmart. Or go the research route and run clenbuterol. Theres other things as well but keep it simple for a first run. On a cal deficit, training 5-6 days a week, using thermogenics, you will lose the fat and improve your physique.

And if you can run 500/wk, then go for it.

Thank you for this constructive post. Thats exactly what I was looking for. I have a diet plan I copied from this site, and have already started eating "clean". Stopped drinking cokes, and beer. im eating more veggies and lean meats (no more cheeseburgers)

Should I use a protein supplement? Do they actually work?
 
Protein supplements are fine especially if you are trying to bulk due to their convenience but you want to incorporate "real" sources of protein into your diet wherever possible.
 
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Please please listen to me, do not take AAs at such a bodyweight you will be very prone to gyno (if you don't have it by now, I would expect you to have it at 30%) Just diet properly I don't see what progress you can get running gear at such high bf and weight... I don't mean to come off as an asshole but it is a waste of time and money for you to even hop on gear. I know people at my gym who are already damn near obesse and tried to run deca or just test cycles itself and my god have I not seen worse they just add on more bf % and look worse in general. Just stick to proper diet and training, save the pins and oil for later.
 
Please please listen to me, do not take AAs at such a bodyweight you will be very prone to gyno (if you don't have it by now, I would expect you to have it at 30%) Just diet properly I don't see what progress you can get running gear at such high bf and weight... I don't mean to come off as an asshole but it is a waste of time and money for you to even hop on gear. I know people at my gym who are already damn near obesse and tried to run deca or just test cycles itself and my god have I not seen worse they just add on more bf % and look worse in general. Just stick to proper diet and training, save the pins and oil for later.

Thank you for this. I really appreciate you taking your time to help someone you dont know. You seem like a solid guy. So your saying that for me in my current condition to run 400mg a week, (200mg on Tues, 200mg on Sat) for 10 weeks, and .25mg per day of arimidex for entire cycle, with clomid and nolvadex for pct would be a total waste? My goal is to regain "some" lost muscle, get my sex drive up, and lose "some" body fat. I have already cleaned up my diet and will be even more strict during the 10 weeks and will train hard daily. Will work in cardio 2 times a week even though i hate it. Ive started jog/walking. Jogging as far as i can then walking to catch my breath then jogging...etc. I just dont want to pay a Dr thousands of dollars for TRT if i can do it myself for a fraction of the cost and get better results. With the help from some pros here of coarse. :winkfinger:
 
I understand completely bud, I'm willing to help ya out with whatever I can. I'm not saying it would be a a bad cycle but as of now its just a waste, hows your progress on weight atm? Yeah you would save money but UGLs can do you wrong aswell... whats your stats as of now?
 
@ coneal. There are pros and cons to being fat on gears.

Con: test seems to work better in leaner people, as per ergo log articles.
And Your blood pressure could be be an issue as well. If its high now, it'll prob just get higher on Supraphysiological doses.

However, If youre on test, running a good ai, counting cals and training hard, you shouldnt gain fat. It should roll off you.


Heres an article on an obese middle aged guy who lost a lot of weight on test, supporting the theory that low test attributed to his obesity.

http://www.ergo-log.com/nebido.html

Just focus on cutting. Forget gaining muscle right now. Just run the gear low so you dont lose muscle on your calorie deficit. Train 5-6 days a week, run an ai, eat unprocessed, count your cals, and stay in a deficit.

In all honesty, you could lose a ton of weight without the gear. Anti catabolic compounds like eca or clen, with exemestane on a cal defict, you prob wouldnt lose much muscle while you diet. Maybe even mel2 as an added effect.


the gear route: Just keep in mind, if you run test, check your bp constantly and keep a diuretic handy in case it gets too high.

If you get fatter on test, then you didnt follow your diet. Its that simple.
 
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Ya SFW always knows whats up.
 
Or, he could suffer a massive heart attack. Who knows?

Look at kos. He was morbidly obese, ran gears and got...less obese. I say that in jest, he did lose a lot of weight while running his gears.

coneal, Just say a quick prayer to santa Muerte, geared jesus or baphomet... and then just hope for the best.
 
my blood pressure is perfect as per the dr 2 weeks ago. my blood work was all normal but my free test was on the bottom end of normal. im not morbidly obese. for my height and musculature im about 25-30lbs overweight. im 6'1" and 255lbs as of today, but im not fat. im just a big guy from years and years of lifting when i was younger. when i was 27 @ 12% BF i weighed 210-215lbs no one who knows me thinks i am "fat" just out of shape. i am perfectly healthy otherwise, BP and cholesterol were fantastic.
 
i read this article today and it made sense to me:

Testosterone could be the magic weight-loss drug that men are looking for. Then again, it might not. A new study shows that obese men receiving testosterone shots lost weight, but doctors are divided on the value of the results.Over the course of five years, obese men on hormone replacement therapy lost an average of 35 pounds each. Their body mass index also dropped from 34 to 29, moving them from the obese to overweight category. This coincided with improved cholesterol and triglyceride levels, as well as lower blood pressure.
The results are impressive, but some doctors doubt that it?s time to start ordering testosterone shots for obese men. The preliminary study, presented at the European Congress on Obesity, has yet to appear in a peer-reviewed journal, and was also sponsored by Bayer, which makes testosterone supplements.
Testosterone levels start to drop in most men between the ages of 40 and 50, with some men?like the ones in this study?complaining of symptoms like erectile deficiency, fatigue and lack of energy. Testosterone replacement therapy is sometimes prescribed for these conditions. Low testosterone has also been linked to obesity.In this study, men were prescribed testosterone shots because of their low hormone levels. Researchers also noticed that they lost weight during the study, although it?s unclear whether this is a direct result of the hormone therapy. Normalizing the men?s testosterone levels could have increased their energy levels, which may have led to increased physical activity and weight loss.The good news is that, in this study, testosterone therapy wasn?t linked to an increased risk of prostate cancer.It is too soon, however, to say that the hormone is a ?miracle weight-loss drug.? Larger, more rigorous studies are needed.
 
Coming in late on this one, but I want to add my 2 cents. I was in your same shoes about 10 years ago. I only started on AAS about 3 years ago. Carrying more than 15% BF and adding gear is a risky venture. For some reason people with extra fat are more prone to getting their estrogen out of control and bloating up and growing tatas. The first time I used test it was test susp at 250 a week. I was about 18% bf when I went on. I gained a ton of weight and strength. Even on a calorie restricted diet with cardio it was challenging to control the bloat and the weight. I was strong as shit, but my BP went from normal to pre hypetensive levels. This was while on a proper AI. 3 years later I have learned a lot and gotten much better at eating correctly.

Test will not help you lose fat at this stage in the game. It will do the opposite. I would take Rays advise. Keep killing it and supplement wisely with OTC stuff. The issues your complaining about will mostly clear up after you lose some body fat and put in some work on your training and diet. I know from experience that you might think your eating relatively clean. But unless your cooking your own meals and counting your macros Your Not! Processed food are loaded with sodium. Test makes you more sensitive to sodium, that combined with being a little overweight is a bad combo.

My advise is to stay the course and get down to about 12% BF and train hard for 6 months and then make a decision on whether or not you want to try a Smart cycle of Test at 500 mg for 12 weeks. You said you don't care for cardio. News Flash!! Were Body builders and powerlifters, none of us like cardio. So you have 2 options.

1. get over it and do the cardio work.
2. count every calorie you put in your body (You should do this anyway) figure out where what your daily calorie intake should be based on your activity level and then take away 500 cals. Eat a macro ratio of 50/30/20 (protein, carbs, fat) use a tracking app on your smart phone like "my fitness pal" and religiously track your macros and calories.

If you do this and train hard like limited rest periods using giant and circuit sets. You will lose more weight than the equal time spent on a tread mill. You won't need cardio because your heart rate will be up in the cardio zone if your working correctly. If you comfortable your not working hard enough.

If you decide to ignore all of this really good and earned advise that a few of us are giving then please keep an eye on the BP. prepare your self with extra AI's and letrozole just in case. If you don't know what that is then you have no business pinning test in your body.

good luck
 
ok well the I's have it. I will spend the next few months getting my diet, routine, adn cardio in order before i do it. thanks for the good advise and constructive criticism. ill check back in a few months when im in better condition to run the gear
 
Just keep us updated with the diet man we just want to help ya out bud. Goodluck on the journey as well! If you have any more questions let us know.
 
Coming in late on this one, but I want to add my 2 cents. I was in your same shoes about 10 years ago. I only started on AAS about 3 years ago. Carrying more than 15% BF and adding gear is a risky venture. For some reason people with extra fat are more prone to getting their estrogen out of control and bloating up and growing tatas. The first time I used test it was test susp at 250 a week. I was about 18% bf when I went on. I gained a ton of weight and strength. Even on a calorie restricted diet with cardio it was challenging to control the bloat and the weight. I was strong as shit, but my BP went from normal to pre hypetensive levels. This was while on a proper AI. 3 years later I have learned a lot and gotten much better at eating correctly.

Test will not help you lose fat at this stage in the game. It will do the opposite. I would take Rays advise. Keep killing it and supplement wisely with OTC stuff. The issues your complaining about will mostly clear up after you lose some body fat and put in some work on your training and diet. I know from experience that you might think your eating relatively clean. But unless your cooking your own meals and counting your macros Your Not! Processed food are loaded with sodium. Test makes you more sensitive to sodium, that combined with being a little overweight is a bad combo.

My advise is to stay the course and get down to about 12% BF and train hard for 6 months and then make a decision on whether or not you want to try a Smart cycle of Test at 500 mg for 12 weeks. You said you don't care for cardio. News Flash!! Were Body builders and powerlifters, none of us like cardio. So you have 2 options.

1. get over it and do the cardio work.
2. count every calorie you put in your body (You should do this anyway) figure out where what your daily calorie intake should be based on your activity level and then take away 500 cals. Eat a macro ratio of 50/30/20 (protein, carbs, fat) use a tracking app on your smart phone like "my fitness pal" and religiously track your macros and calories.

If you do this and train hard like limited rest periods using giant and circuit sets. You will lose more weight than the equal time spent on a tread mill. You won't need cardio because your heart rate will be up in the cardio zone if your working correctly. If you comfortable your not working hard enough.

If you decide to ignore all of this really good and earned advise that a few of us are giving then please keep an eye on the BP. prepare your self with extra AI's and letrozole just in case. If you don't know what that is then you have no business pinning test in your body.

good luck

yes sir, i know what that is. thanks for your time, ill be taking all the advise and holding off on the gear. this will give me something to look forward to and time to get my gear together for a solid first cycle...like prop, primo, and tren????
 
I would just rec just test first cycle but i wouldn't not have you try dbol out then add more next cycle but you could do another just test and dbol cycle and keep growing and growing besides that NPP is solid. I like tren but its hard to reccremend that to people since the sides.
 
Or, he could suffer a massive heart attack. Who knows?

Look at kos. He was morbidly obese, ran gears and got...less obese. I say that in jest, he did lose a lot of weight while running his gears.

coneal, Just say a quick prayer to santa Muerte, geared jesus or baphomet... and then just hope for the best.

I was a fat lazy cunt until I started making blood sacrifices to baphomet. I moar kerked than ever now! Strangled hookers particularly work well.


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sorry about last thread i accidentally hit a button and it posted before i was done typing, please see below and thank you for your time and patience.

so i was given some test cyp from a childhood friend. he said it would help me get my grove back.... a lil history, i am 41 years old, 6'1, 256lb and was an avid weightlifter for many years in my teens through my late 20's. at 27 i was peaked and was a pretty built guy, and have never done any gear. now i am 41, about 30% body fat. i have got a membership to a gym, bought some home Olympic weights and a nice bench with some attachments that i can use to do a myriad of exercises at home. I have been attacking it like a man on a mission for about 3 weeks, because i am. i can already feel it, and it feels good. my posture has changed and i feel much stronger. i rep'd 225, 5 times and felt like a beast. the guy at the gym said it was due to muscle memory ( i used to warm up with 225, 10 quick reps to get my blood pumping, max bench was 335 when i was 27) ......So my good friend hands me a bottle of test cyp and tells me to take 350mg a week for 10 weeks and get some clomid and nolvadex for pct. i started doing research online and found some garbage and also found some good info, which is how i ended up here. so my question; will 350mg of test cyp, 175mg adminitered in 2 equal injection per week, help me to burn the fat, get my strength back, and give my wife the meat like i did 10 years ago? with exercise and high protein/ low carb diet of coarse. any advise is greatly appreciated.

Hi,

I'm 53 and got back into anabolics at 45 after my metabolism slowed and was showing signs of becoming my father. In older men Test is a huge benefit. It helps to reestablish better metabolism. One of the first things that happens is it makes skeletal muscle shift metabolism more towards fatty acid oxidation, which means burn fat as fuel. So if you have a solid well dialed in diet you will see a difference in lean muscle accrual and fat metabolism. Older men are also more prone to carbohydrate sensitivity so dialing in the carbohydrates in your diet is crucial for the results you are after. If you are like at least 1/2 of men over 40 your testosterone levels have waned so adding in 350 mg of test a week will certainly benefit you, at least for the time you are on it. normal test range is 300 to 1200 ng/dL. If I had to guess, a man in his mid 40s is around 550 on average. There is some evidence that minimum, on average, amount to build muscle is 800 ng/dL. In me i am at 1000 ng/dL at 150 mg/w of Test Cypionate at 350 mg/w I am around 2500 ng/dL or twice the top of normal range. That will certainly help put on muscle and burn fat if the diet and training are correct.

These young guys are really completely different animals in their 20s. Anabolics make more dramatic changes at lower doses in older men than they do in younger men.
 
At your age that Test dose will feel real good. Clean up the diet. Don't skip ANY training sessions and enjoy the nectar we call Testosterone.

btw, get an AI so you don't grow tits.

Yes sir. Thanks for the solid advise. I am getting the ironmag labs liquid anastrozol, I hear it's good at .25mg a day. I am working on diet plans through the various posts here and fine tune it for my needs. I am serious about changing my life and my body and I think I came to the right place to get the info to do just that. I wont pin until it's time.
 
When HI chimes in you should take heed..Glad to hear ur holding off on the gear,for now...should give u something to look forward too..you got some great advice frm alot of different perspectives...showed some wisdow(from being older) and found out what u needed...Thats worth tons!! And thats why I like these forums...
 
When HI chimes in you should take heed..Glad to hear ur holding off on the gear,for now...should give u something to look forward too..you got some great advice frm alot of different perspectives...showed some wisdow(from being older) and found out what u needed...Thats worth tons!! And thats why I like these forums...

yes sir. i been to a few forums, found this one and stayed. solid people in here, and yes I will take any and all advise from HeavyIron i can get.

I have to nail down a diet, something for my needs (fat loss /lean muscle gain). Thats been the biggest challenge so far. I dont care if i have to eat cardboard box 5 meals a day, every day for the next 16 weeks. i just need to figure out which cardboard box to eat. any advise for diet will be greatly appreciated also. if i can lose 2-3 lbs a week for 10 weeks i should be right where i need to be. for cardio i have been jog/walking. jog as far as i can, then walk fast to catch my breath, jog more. doing this for 30+ minutes 3 days a week. already starting to jog a little further each time before i have to walk. slow and steady progress, i am determined. i want to post some pics on here soon without being embarrassed.
 
yes sir. i been to a few forums, found this one and stayed. solid people in here, and yes I will take any and all advise from HeavyIron i can get.

I have to nail down a diet, something for my needs (fat loss /lean muscle gain). Thats been the biggest challenge so far. I dont care if i have to eat cardboard box 5 meals a day, every day for the next 16 weeks. i just need to figure out which cardboard box to eat. any advise for diet will be greatly appreciated also. if i can lose 2-3 lbs a week for 10 weeks i should be right where i need to be. for cardio i have been jog/walking. jog as far as i can, then walk fast to catch my breath, jog more. doing this for 30+ minutes 3 days a week. already starting to jog a little further each time before i have to walk. slow and steady progress, i am determined. i want to post some pics on here soon without being embarrassed.

I commend you for wanting to make these changes and for taking the advise of several fella's here.
I am 58 and do 375mgs per wk test E and have for several years. Thats a bit high on the trt scale but it works good for me.
As was stated smaller doses work well for older guys especially if our BF% are fairly low. I train hard and often and 90% of the time with younger guys and I seem to always show them something new or help them to get a really good training session.
I will likely be ON forever. Have a very physical job which I have to compete with way younger guys.
Diet and training regular is key. If you could get into a gym and get a few fella's to train with it would help with a bit of competition.
I know that helps me. Best of luck and we are all here to help you.
Looking forward to hearing about your progress.
 
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