1st cycle - oral only?

[Tha Don]

over the summer i'm looking at running a short cycle, something that won't make me hold too much water, something that i won't need to jab too much and something that will add a little bit of lean muscle to my ripped physique (by then i will have finished cutting and hopefully will be around 8-9%), just a nice preperation cycle for my winter mass cycle of test/deca/dbol

because of this i'm considering orals (as they kick in faster than injections, and i don't want a long cycle or to inject EOD)

winny: seems like an obvious choice, but the sides are very harsh, and if they are so harsh that mudge won't touch it neither will i! enough said!

anavar: another one i was considering, but its way too bloody expensive!

tbol: this stuff looks great, dubbed by one article i read as the 'best' oral (not sure about that but it seems pretty nice), as sides are low (not much water retention, low chance of gyno, hair loss, etc) and mass gains are good (its pure anabolic), also don't cost too much, i think this should be included

dbol: i'd like to check this out before i run it on my winter cycle, problem is the water retention, but i could run letro or adex to minimise this, i will prob run a little dbol in there somewhere

PH/PS's: i still have a big stash of PH/PS's left, but i don't want to run any more than 2 orals, so i might run a transdermal oral, 1test is the number 1 PS for mass and i have 2 bottles of transdermal 1test lying around so i will prob stack that

so for my next cycle (first AS cycle), prob gonna look something like this....
weeks 1-4: dbol, 20mg/ed
weeks 1-6: tbol, 40mg/ed
weeks 1-6: 1test, 400-600mg/ed


that should work good, might even run a little t3 over the top to keep the fat off, prob run clen pct, i'm not too sure yet though, but this should be a nice little cycle to get me prepared for my big one!

what do you think? if anyone has any suggestions/recommendations let me know

 

[SJ69]

I wouldn't do it.
Why not Sust 2X week (Wks 1-8)
anavar 50mg ed (wks 1-3(4))
If the var is too $$$ hit the d-bol 25mg ed and an anti-E bc you want the ripped look.

This would keep the sticks down, sides to a min and save your liver for latter on in life.
AND add some real muscle.

 

[SJ69]

ps I suggested Sust bc you want quick results and a short cycle without eod prop stix

 

[gococksDJS]

ps I suggested Sust bc you want quick results and a short cycle without eod prop stix

This is the reason why I don't understand people running a whole cycle of sust. You want quick results, meaning a short ester, but you don't want EOD or ED pins, so how are you going to keep blood levels constant with a short ester if you are not sticking ED or EOD? They have a very short half-life, so if you are sticking twice a week, which is good for long esters, that means your levels of prop are going to go up and down like Jenna Jameson in Deepthroat 5 because props active life is only around 2-3 days. If you want to run a short cycle with optimal results and keeping blood levels consistent, you will need to pin more often, but if you want a 10-12 weeker with less injections, you go for a longer ester like cypionate or enanthate. IMO running sust purely to take advantage of it's short esters like prop, but only injecting twice a week would be just like shooting plain old prop twice a week. I can sort of understand kickstarting a 10 week cycle with sust, but why continue it the whole cycle when long esters stay peaked in your blood much longer? Prop has the shortest ester of any test, and suspension has no ester, which is why I personally don't see the reasoning behind sust.

 

[SJ69]

The Sust would be a compramise, he doesn't want to stick eod, so what else is left? I guess the oral only cycle, but I'd rather do the Sust / Var cycle. The half life of prop is about 4 days, so pinning 2X a week would be enough, although not ideal. I know there's not alot of prop in there either, but it is the only viable comramise I can think of. Maybe he could shoot 200mg ethanate and 150mg prop twice a week, still only shooting twice a week and there would still be 75mg of test prop left by the time he shoots again, and it could build from there.??

 

[LAM]

I wouldn't do it.
Why not Sust 2X week (Wks 1-8)
anavar 50mg ed (wks 1-3(4))
If the var is too $$$ hit the d-bol 25mg ed and an anti-E bc you want the ripped look.

This would keep the sticks down, sides to a min and save your liver for latter on in life.
AND add some real muscle.

anavar is crap to jump start a test cycle, that stuff is sooo mild. at most it feels like you just started a creatine cycle since you can pump out a couple more reps

 

[SJ69]

I know, I figured the 'var would be good for what he wants, he said he didn't want water gain, and wanted to add "..a little bit of lean muscle"
I guess he could go with winstrol, but I hear so much bad shit about that, the anavar seems to have a lot less sides.

 

[Mudge]

Lots of people loooove winny, but I would rather take something that wont screw with my cholesterol so much. It doesn't just bounce back after you stop, it can take months, and blood tests have shown this.

Clinical doses for winstrol start at 2.5mg, a dose no bodybuilding male would ever take.

 

[musclepump]

If you run 250 Test E, you can pin that just once a week right?

 

[gococksDJS]

yes

 

[TrojanMan60563]

If you run 250 Test E, you can pin that just once a week right?

Yup you can...most people prefer injects twice a week to keep blood levels more stable. You can get away with once a week test e.

If you are planning on a short cycle I think 150mg Prop EOD is perfect for say 4-6 weeks. Water retention seems to be lower on prop.

 

[Tha Don]

has anyone got anymore comments on the cycle?

weeks 1-4: dbol, 20mg/ed
weeks 1-6: tbol, 40mg/ed
weeks 1-6: 1test, 400-600mg/ed

i'd prefer not to run sust. and i'd prefer not to pin as i will be back home and there is a high chance i'll get caught pinning, i mean it would just be a lot of hassle, it would be so much easier to start that when i get back to uni

 

[gococksDJS]

has anyone got anymore comments on the cycle?

i'd prefer not to run sust. and i'd prefer not to pin as i will be back home and there is a high chance i'll get caught pinning, i mean it would just be a lot of hassle, it would be so much easier to start that when i get back to uni

You don't think your parents will know something is up when you put on 15-20lbs in 4 weeks of dbol?

 

[Tha Don]

You don't think your parents will know something is up when you put on 15-20lbs in 4 weeks of dbol?

you think checking re-cycle bins for empty cell-tech tubs would be a good idea?

 

[Pirate!]

If you don't want to pin, stick with a heavy dose of 1-Test and 4-ad with plenty of nolva on hand for 6 weeks.

 

[Celtic Bhoy]

Will tbol lose its effectiveness by the 4th week?

 

[gococksDJS]

you think checking re-cycle bins for empty cell-tech tubs would be a good idea?

If you ran just straight test, and hid your needles well, the weight gain would be more spread out. I know I get bloated like a fish on dbol, and if that happens to you, there's no way to hide it.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

reguardless of what you decide to take you're going to need to hide it. So you might as well just hide a couple vials of test along with some syringes and needles. That is not hard to hide in a room.

 

[Pirate!]

No one guessed that I was on juice (at least they didn't say so), but I had a beard during the dbol phase. My friend that knew, said I looked funny, but I just told my parents I was getting fat because I was bulking. Hiding needles is no problem. Be creative.

 

[gococksDJS]

My parents knew I was on a cycle, but the first thing they noticed was the bloat from the dbol, especially in my face, and the fact that none of my pants fit anymore.

 

[jphess2]

Hypothetically, if someone were to try a real steroid (I have a lot of prohormone stuff) and wanted to use oral only, which one is the safest with fairly decent benefits? Not to keen on needles, though my Sister and Mum are diabetics and I have watched them do injections on themselves - the thought makes me cringe.

 

[Tha Don]

Will tbol lose its effectiveness by the 4th week?

where did you hear that bullshit? there is no loss in effect from tbol after 3-4 weeks, that is a silly rumour (its like saying dbol stops working after 4 weeks, no, thats only because of its toxidity that many people chose to run dbol 4 weeks max)

 

[Tha Don]

If you don't want to pin, stick with a heavy dose of 1-Test and 4-ad with plenty of nolva on hand for 6 weeks.

i'd rather check out the real thing, i'm never going to use 1test again after this, i'm jut throwing that in there as it needs using up, and it is transdermal so less liver strain

the real stack i want to try is the dbol/tbol, yes i will hold some water off the dbol but in the 5th week this should drop off and by week 6 i should be left with some pretty lean gains, i think the gains should be great, as 1t, ot and dbol are all anabolic, and it gives me a chance to check out dbol and ot for future use

 

[Celtic Bhoy]

where did you hear that bullshit? there is no loss in effect from tbol after 3-4 weeks, that is a silly rumour (its like saying dbol stops working after 4 weeks, no, thats only because of its toxidity that many people chose to run dbol 4 weeks max)

I read it somewhere. Anyway, also read it will but on alot of lbm with little water and its easier on sides.40mg a day is a grand dose aswel over 6 weeks.TBH, tbol sounds very very good from what iv read so far, i might consider tbol instead of dbol in any future cycle.