3rd CYCLE ADVISE NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vlad5]

Alright guys, been a memeber for a while now and love reading all the info you guys share on here, although I don't post much. I'm really wanting a LEAN BULK CYCLE, DRY GAINS!
29 yrs old
6'0 180
Lifting for 7 years(i've hit that plateau)

1st cycle (5ys ago) Sust only 500mg/wk 8 weeks (young and not informed well)..........good gains, added about 15 pounds but all PUFFY looking.

2nd cycle : Test E 500mg/wk 6weeks in had an injury that caused me to quit prematurely

Im looking to run this cycle now and need some advice. Like i said, I'm looking for LEAN BULK/DRY GAINS ( no puffy look)

Week 1-4: Tbol @ 50mgs/day
Week 1-12: Test-e 500/week (250x2)
Week 8-12: Oral winny @ 50mgs/day

PCT: 4 weeks of nolva @ 20/20/10/10 (Should I add clomid at 50mg/day?). I'm also not sure when to start PCT. Would that be week 15-19? (Two weeks after last shot of test?)WHAT ABOUT A-dex or Aromasin? HCG, REALLY NEEDED?

*** QUESTION IS : Is there any way/Cycle to run 8 Weeks? Should I ADD PRIMO or EQ and at what dose? What about ADDING TREN E or TREN A, and at what dose?

ANY ADVISE/CRITIQUE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ANY ADVISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JCBourne]

PCT start at week 14. Don't do a 8 week, complete waste.

I would have a AI on hand, incase of gyno flare-up. Also if you want your boys hanging low I recommend HCG.

T-bol I would shoot for 60-70mg a day. Maybe start at 50mg and go up if no issues.

Since it's your third cycle maybe try 750mg a week of test.

 

[colorado]

Since this is really your first complete cycle, why not run 500mg/week test E?
Run an AI throughout and use your diet to keep you lean and not bloated.

It sounds to me like you are trying to add too much all at one time. Get a really good test only cycle under your belt and go from there.

Good luck whatever you choose!

 

[Vlad5]

Say i did just Test E 500mg/wk, what AI should i run along with it to keep bloat down? A-dex? Stop Adex at end of cycle and then start PCT?

I respond well to test with the bloat being my only concern, gives me a puffy look that makes me look like im on somethin, don't really want that.

 

[JCBourne]

Bloat on test? Weird. You could do adex .25mg e3d, up the dosage as needed.

 

[bigmac6969]

thers really no need in HCG if want to spend the extra money then do it but your
"BOYS" will come back anyways with Good PcT Just My 2 Cents!!!

 

[ROID]

Change to Clomid
HCG 500iu x 2 each week

 

[GMO]

II'm looking for LEAN BULK/DRY GAINS ( no puffy look)

Week 1-4: Tbol @ 50mgs/day
Week 1-12: Test-e 500/week (250x2)
Week 8-12: Oral winny @ 50mgs/day

Should I ADD PRIMO or EQ and at what dose? What about ADDING TREN E or TREN A, and at what dose?

ANY ADVISE/CRITIQUE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ANY ADVISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If money is not a problem, I would add primo-depot at 400mg a week.

Otherwise, you could run Tren A at 50mg ED for 8 weeks, which is IMO the best dry bulker out there...it is not for novices however.

Also, I find T-bol to be most effective at 5 weeks +, so you might want to drop that all together especially if you are using Tren. Tren A will provide enough of a kick start...BELIEVE ME!

Your cycle really isn't long enough to get the full benefits from EQ, so I would stick to one of those two compounds.

PCT at week 14, Use Clomid 100/50/50/50, and if you go with Tren, you will definitely need HCG as ROID described.

 

[Roaddkingg]

Test with primo would be the ticket. As was mentioned from the last poster clomid is for PCT. I concur that you should start it two weeks after you'r last pin at 100mgs wk 1, then 75mgs and the last two with 50mgs.
Just have the nolvadex on hand in case you need it for lets say puffy nipples, itchy feeling starting or a lump forming.
I also concur that EQ would not be a wise choice UNLESS you were to do a longer cycle.
EQ is great for quality gains but it's slow acting and to get the most from it most fella's would go 16-20 wks.
If you dose you'r arimadex correctly it should keep water gain to a minimum. What works well for me is .5mgs EOD but I have had to change on the fly before.

 

[carli]

thers really no need in HCG if want to spend the extra money then do it but your
"BOYS" will come back anyways with Good PcT Just My 2 Cents!!!

i would still nearly run hcg aswell tho , prevention is better than cure if tings where to go wrong with the pct

 

[Diesel618]

im not sure if it's been mentioned, I skimmed the posts, but I'd suggest running the winny from week 10 to week 14 if you only have 4 weeks worth. 8 to 14 would be better, but I would want to maximize my gains in the 2 weeks while you wait for the test to clear before you begin PCT.

 

[ryansm]

Definitely use/get HCG. T-bol at 5 weeks would be best, also perhaps bump the test. An AI would be fine to have on hand, but I would only use it if you absolutely need to. PCT clomid/nolva is fine i prefer Toremifene stacked with Sustain Alpha and DAA (TCF-1)

 

[Vlad5]

What about :

1-6 Tbol 50mg/wk
1-12 Test E 500/wk
10-14 Winny 50mg/wk
1-12 adex/arom

Drop the HCG, Run Nolva 20/20/20/20 Clomid 50/50/50/50

OR

Drop Tbol and run:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-14 Primo depot 400mg/wk
10-14 Winny 50mg/wk? noy sure if 10-14 would be correct?
1-12 adex/arom?

Then nolva 20/20/20/20 clomid 50/50/50/50

ALSO, another question, lol

OH YEAH! One more question....

I have access to Sciroxx, GP, Axio, and Asia Pharm. What brand would ya'll recommend out of those? Any certain one for oils, any certain one for tabs? Any other brands not mentioned? I have read all over this sit about the brands I mentioned and just can't make up my mind. lol

 

[Vlad5]

bump

 

[GMO]

If I had to choose, I would do the Test E/Primo/Winny cycle.

As far as brands go, I usually only get Shering Primo b/c Primo is often faked and underdosed. That's my personal preference anyway.

 

[Vlad5]

Var instead of winny?

What are ya'lls thoughts about replacing the winny on this cycle with var? If so, what dose of the var would you run?

 

[BigBird]

Typically 'Var is ran at no less than 60mg ED, preferably 70-80. It'll cost more than Winny but good var is a big plus provided your BF is already low - and a 6' frame at 180lbs sounds reasonably low. Might be worth switching to the 'Var in order to avoid possible "dry joints" that Winny is infamous for. But somebody mentioned using Tren A in beginning for a "kickstart." This would eliminate the need for an oral kicker but either 'Var or Tbol for the final 6 weeks might be the way to go IMO. HCG not really necessary in my opinion but I certainly would not dissuade anyone from HCG if they're considering it. Good luck.

 

[GMO]

What are ya'lls thoughts about replacing the winny on this cycle with var? If so, what dose of the var would you run?

Personally...I would run T-bol for the final six weeks of your cycle.

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-12 Primo depot 400mg/wk
9-14 T-bol 60mg/wk

You can run the T-bol while the Test and Primo clears, then start PCT 32 hours after your last dose of T-bol. That's how I would roll anyway.

 

[Vlad5]

Personally...I would run T-bol for the final six weeks of your cycle.

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-12 Primo depot 400mg/wk
9-14 T-bol 60mg/wk

You can run the T-bol while the Test and Primo clears, then start PCT 32 hours after your last dose of T-bol. That's how I would roll anyway.

Damn, just the Primo alone, at 400mg/wk, for this cycle would cost $800-$1000, considering most the primo i see is about $75-$100 a 10ml vial @ 100mg/ml,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats too rich for my blood, lol