and your statement that macros and insulin is basic info, is documented where?
Uhhh...this a BB'ing website and we are BB'rs. Pretty much everyone who uses insulin understands the connectioin between macro intake and insulin usage. Otherwise, how could we even begin to structure a safe or effective program? Hmmm??? Obviously, you are far removed from the world of BB'ing and performance enhancment. That is one of the first things you learn about insulin as a BB'r looking to use it for performance ehancement.
havent seen you provide a fact yet.
I didn't realize I needed to prove that the sky was up, but if you require such confirmation...Okaaaaaay.
just sayn keep up the very informative bro-science I'm sure 100's of people sticking a truely dangerous drug in their body with no clue what it is really doing appreciate it.
Seriously Carbs/ sugar + insulin that is all. Insulin does not bind to steak or chicken but will to a snickers bar. These are facts my friends. you need to concern yourself only with the correct carb to insuliln ratio.
Make sure you eat bannanas insulin will cause muscles to absorb potasium out of your blood and can cause hyperkalemia
Does Insulin Raise Potassium Levels? | LIVESTRONG.COM
BCAAs may cause insulin resistance some facts
Insulin Resistance May Result From Too Much Protein Eaten Along With Fat
Insulin makes your liver store fat and cause the bodys natural fat burning to slow
Physiologic Effects of Insulin
Seems like I know enough, keep bashing the guy that has knowledge about the drug. Your pretend friends will rep and like you for awesome ownage
I just don't have the time to sit here and argue with someone who doesn't even understand the basics of insulin use for BB'rs...and especially someone who thinls protein cannot be used like carbs. If you had any clue what you were taking about...you would know this. No, youcan NOT a eat a steak or a chicken breast and count it as a carb, but you sure as fuck can count hydrolyzed whey, casein, beef, or even soy protein as such. In fact, BB'rs have known this for decades (where have you been???). Many years ago myself and several clients experimented with an insulin program which utilized ONLY protein...and the doses of slin used were not small. I wonder how we all lived? Anyway, the point of this set-up was to take advantage of insulin's tissue building effects without experiencing any fat gain, which can sometimes accompany insulin usage. The program was successful, but for various reasons, I no longer feel that approach is the best way to go, regardless of one's goals.
Without getting into great detail, the program entailed using insulin 5-6X per day with a long with a protein shake made up of whey isolate (hydrolyzed protens weren't widely available at the time, although they would have been superior). This was a 4 week program. While we had to be more careful because we were using isolates instead of the more rapidly digesting hydrolysates, it was still doable. We would inject 6 IU of humalog 5-6X per day, with 50 grams of whey isolate each time. Hypogycemia was not an issue. Why? Because insulin transports both carbs and protein into muscle, which in turn uses up the insulin which was injected. The reason we can't use standard proteins for this purpose, such as steak or eggs, without going hypo, is because they are digested and assimilated very slowly. This is not so with hydrolyzed proteins, which will rapidly and efficiently raise both blood sugar and blood amino acid levels. Whey protein, especially hydrolyzed whey protein, is insulinogenic...which means insulin is secreted in response to its ingestion. Why? Because its very rapid digestion rate results in a quick spike in blood sugar and amino acid concentration. Every study ever done on this confirms it. If whey protein did not have this effect, insulin would not be released in response to its ingestion and it would not be labeled as an insulinogenic protein. This is why hydrolyzed why protein can be used in place of carbs, although for optimal muscle building effect, the inclusion of carbs is essential.
If you don't believe this...do a search on PubMed...maybe you'll learn something. Or...you can try it out for yourself. Inject 10 IU of humalog immmediately followed by 50 grams of hydrolyzed whey protein, along with another 50 grams 45 minutes later. Guess what will happen? Nothing....no passing out from low blood sugar...no lying in your bed in a coma.
Lastly....LOL at the random links you posted above. I can do the same thing and post about 1000 links, but unlike you, I am sticking to the subject...not re-posting random studies about bananas enhancing potassium absoprtion or how insulin can cause the liver to store fat...and how insulin slows the fat burning process. Do you not understand how basic this shit is? Do you really think even the moderately educated member on this board doesn't know that? Why in the FUCK do you think BB'rs use insulin? Because insulin enhances the absorption of everything, including aminos acids, blood sugar, and even "potassium"...LOL. Since you want to post a link about how insulin increases the absorption of potassium...let's take that a step further and talk about how to manipulate insulin's nutrient shuttling capabilities, so that we can maximize insulin's pro-BB'ing effects, such as protein syntheis and glycogen restoration..and if you want to go a step further, let's talk about the specific foods/drugs/supps which will best accomplaish these goals...and WHY they are the best.
It is also a well known and BASIC fact in the BB'ing world that insulin impairs fat loss, which is why insulin use is often either dramatically cut down pre-contest or eliminated altogether. So, instead of posting a link which tells us that insulin impairs fat loss (no shit)...let's go deeper and discuss EXACTLY how insulin accomplishes this...and going even further, let's talk about how to manipulate insulin's negative effect on lipolysis, so that we can maximize the benefits of insulin, while minimizing this potential aspect of its use.
Since you want to post a random link about fatty livers, let's take that a step further and talk about the underlying cause, as well as the most pressing side effect a non-diabetic insulin user faces...insulin resistance. We can discuss all the numerous variables involved in minimizing insulin resistance/maximizing insulin sensitivity, while simultaneously extracting maximum benefit from our insulin usage.
Seriously, stop wasting my and everyone elses time. You have NOTHING to offer here. You could not even begin to tell anyone how to best use insulin to further their goals...nor do you know how to best maintain an inulsin user's health from either an acute or long-term standpoint. So, cut the crap, swallow damaged your pride...and move along. On the other hand, if you really do have something to offer in any of these areas...let's go at it and see what you got. It would be a BIG mistake on your part, as you have already showcased on high degree of ignorance in more than one basic area, but if you prefer a bloodbath, just select any of the previously mentioned topics and that will be fine by me.
Almost forgot...the bolded comments above (in your post) are mine as well, but as I continued reading throughout your post, I had to stop myself before pulling my hair out from exasperation.
