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9/11=insidejob...this is for you

If you guys really wanna get blown away and amazed just watch this video:

Alex Jones' Terror Storm:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=alex+jones

I posted this a while back and got flamed to hell for it but seriously, all Americans need to watch that. This documentary by Alex Jones isn't specifically about 9/11 like some of his other ones. What it's about it showing the history of "Red Flag" Operations (conducting an attack and blaming it on someone else) by the Nazi's and the U.S. governemtn. Absolutly mind blowing and would convince anyone that 9/11 was a lie.
 
911=InsideJob said:
If you guys really wanna get blown away and amazed just watch this video:

Alex Jones' Terror Storm:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=alex+jones

I posted this a while back and got flamed to hell for it but seriously, all Americans need to watch that. This documentary by Alex Jones isn't specifically about 9/11 like some of his other ones. What it's about it showing the history of "Red Flag" Operations (conducting an attack and blaming it on someone else) by the Nazi's and the U.S. governemtn. Absolutly mind blowing and would convince anyone that 9/11 was a lie.


You don't understand. If you posted a confirmed video of Bush admitting that he conducted 911, and had a press conference on TV to admit it, and came to Pepper's house and sat down with him and told him... he still wouldn't believe you.
 
BigDyl said:
You don't understand. If you posted a confirmed video of Bush admitting that he conducted 911, and had a press conference on TV to admit it, and came to Pepper's house and sat down with him and told him... he still wouldn't believe you.
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Shit, millions of American are like that.

Its still an incredible documentary that needed to be shared.
 
I see dead people. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead.
 
Great movie, watched the whole thing. Did u check out the bohemian grove movie yet?
 
fUnc17 said:
Great movie, watched the whole thing. Did u check out the bohemian grove movie yet?

I saw the one where Jones is at ground zero and does a long piece on the BG. Never saw a complete documentary on that.
 
March 29, 1979 - The report of the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigating the shooting of JFK concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald killed the President and exonerates the Secret Service, FBI and CIA from being part of a conspiracy, but does conclude that there was a "high probability" that there were two gunmen, that the President was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy, rips the Secret Service for inadequately protecting the President, and rips the departments and the Warren Commission for failing to adequately investigate the possibility of a conspiracy.

And thats probably all you will get with this 9/11 thing as well .... and you will like it!
 
911=InsideJob said:
Shit, millions of American are like that.

Its still an incredible documentary that needed to be shared.

decent....I've seen the whole thing.

I was well done for a student thats for sure.

Its has some large holes in his premises...very large.
 
On Paul Smith's blog: :shrug:

No evidence to support WTC being brought down by thermite
June 27th, 2006, categories: Politics, Debunking

In my opinion, based mainly on history, the security forces in the US were probably aware of some upcoming plot; it wouldn't be too surprising if they did know what the intended targets were and the means of carrying out the attack.

But to make the jump from knowing roughly of a plot doesn't mean they were actively involved. Why would the Republicans risk this? If it was true they would be out of office for half a century or more.

It's easy enough to get through some right-wing agenda in the US, it's been happening under the Democrats and Republicans for generations with few people noticing; Bush didn't need the attacks in order to carry out his agenda. In the past we see many cases of attacks be faked. The pretext for the German invasion of Poland was based on Polish forces invading Germany first; which of course was fake. The planned full-scale invasion of Cuba was going to be justified by the sinking of a US ship; which would of been fake. The invasion of Yugoslavia (under Clinton - not a Republican) was justified by genocide; which was also fake and so on and so on.

The US media buy any story and the US population swallow it; no matter how small it is. You don't need destruction on that scale to justify an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq and a clamping down of rights in the US. It's possible Bush knew something was coming and didn't act, or the security forces were instructed to carry on monitoring the involved rather than making the arrests. That may be an honest mistake or there may be something to it. I'm not sure which is the more likely.

They can always invent a story to push through an agenda, it might be a bit slower without people witnessing two symbols of America being brought down, but it would still of happened. Just like Iraq - which had nothing to do with the World Trade Center attacks was still invaded supported by huge majority in the US 90% and above.

Anyway, onto the story at hand.

From WebNV:

Scientific analysis on WTC steel debris undertaken by BYU Professor Steven Jones proves that the twin towers were demolished by means of incendiary devices and the release of the conclusive evidence is imminent.

Steven Jones again, his bias should be enough to throw the evidence right into the bin. He's been claiming thermite has been used for months - with no evidence at all.

Now he claims to of found traces (on steel who's exact origins are largely unknown) of sulfur, which he claims is evidence that thermite was used to bring down the buildings. However in office buildings and aircraft you'll find a lot of sulfur and aluminum and lots of other things, so you really need traces of the other components of thermite, you should find 7 times as much barium is sulfur, yet his report does not mention any traces of barium.

Thermite itself is also a very bad way to demolish a building, it's actually used (or at least used to be used) to weld steel together because of its heat. You'd need masses and masses of thermite to even make a dent on a building like this. You'd really need something explosive to do the job, something like a large, fuel-laden aircraft. Oh wait that's what we've got.

Even more odd, thermite hasn't used sulfur as a binding agent for a decade or so, after this was pointed out to him he claims it was an exotic military thermite, which does use sulfur and which also explodes. Again no evidence to back up this claim.

I don't buy it. It's just the same as the Pentagon missile stuff... Sure if you ignore the hundreds of eye-witnesses who saw a large passenger aircraft and just put forward the few people who weren't sure what they saw you can make anything seem possible.

Steven Jones's work cannot be trusted at face value and should be scrutinized heavily.
 
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lnvanry said:
decent....I've seen the whole thing.

I was well done for a student thats for sure.

Its has some large holes in his premises...very large.

Good. And he isnt a student, he's a grown ass man with his own radio show. And what are his holes?
 
Steven Jones again, his bias should be enough to throw the evidence right into the bin. He's been claiming thermite has been used for months - with no evidence at all.

He suspected it was thermite because it was hot enough to melt steel. And as CowPimp pointed out, Jones and his collegues tested the steel and it was positive for thermite.
 
911=InsideJob said:
If you guys really wanna get blown away and amazed just watch this video:

Alex Jones' Terror Storm:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=alex+jones

I posted this a while back and got flamed to hell for it but seriously, all Americans need to watch that. This documentary by Alex Jones isn't specifically about 9/11 like some of his other ones. What it's about it showing the history of "Red Flag" Operations (conducting an attack and blaming it on someone else) by the Nazi's and the U.S. governemtn. Absolutly mind blowing and would convince anyone that 9/11 was a lie.



This completely goes against everything Pepper believes.
 
the nut said:
On Paul Smith's blog: :shrug:

No evidence to support WTC being brought down by thermite
June 27th, 2006, categories: Politics, Debunking

In my opinion, based mainly on history, the security forces in the US were probably aware of some upcoming plot; it wouldn't be too surprising if they did know what the intended targets were and the means of carrying out the attack.

But to make the jump from knowing roughly of a plot doesn't mean they were actively involved. Why would the Republicans risk this? If it was true they would be out of office for half a century or more.

It's easy enough to get through some right-wing agenda in the US, it's been happening under the Democrats and Republicans for generations with few people noticing; Bush didn't need the attacks in order to carry out his agenda. In the past we see many cases of attacks be faked. The pretext for the German invasion of Poland was based on Polish forces invading Germany first; which of course was fake. The planned full-scale invasion of Cuba was going to be justified by the sinking of a US ship; which would of been fake. The invasion of Yugoslavia (under Clinton - not a Republican) was justified by genocide; which was also fake and so on and so on.

The US media buy any story and the US population swallow it; no matter how small it is. You don't need destruction on that scale to justify an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq and a clamping down of rights in the US. It's possible Bush knew something was coming and didn't act, or the security forces were instructed to carry on monitoring the involved rather than making the arrests. That may be an honest mistake or there may be something to it. I'm not sure which is the more likely.

They can always invent a story to push through an agenda, it might be a bit slower without people witnessing two symbols of America being brought down, but it would still of happened. Just like Iraq - which had nothing to do with the World Trade Center attacks was still invaded supported by huge majority in the US 90% and above.

Anyway, onto the story at hand.

From WebNV:

Scientific analysis on WTC steel debris undertaken by BYU Professor Steven Jones proves that the twin towers were demolished by means of incendiary devices and the release of the conclusive evidence is imminent.

Steven Jones again, his bias should be enough to throw the evidence right into the bin. He's been claiming thermite has been used for months - with no evidence at all.

Now he claims to of found traces (on steel who's exact origins are largely unknown) of sulfur, which he claims is evidence that thermite was used to bring down the buildings. However in office buildings and aircraft you'll find a lot of sulfur and aluminum and lots of other things, so you really need traces of the other components of thermite, you should find 7 times as much barium is sulfur, yet his report does not mention any traces of barium.

Thermite itself is also a very bad way to demolish a building, it's actually used (or at least used to be used) to weld steel together because of its heat. You'd need masses and masses of thermite to even make a dent on a building like this. You'd really need something explosive to do the job, something like a large, fuel-laden aircraft. Oh wait that's what we've got.

Even more odd, thermite hasn't used sulfur as a binding agent for a decade or so, after this was pointed out to him he claims it was an exotic military thermite, which does use sulfur and which also explodes. Again no evidence to back up this claim.

I don't buy it. It's just the same as the Pentagon missile stuff... Sure if you ignore the hundreds of eye-witnesses who saw a large passenger aircraft and just put forward the few people who weren't sure what they saw you can make anything seem possible.

Steven Jones's work cannot be trusted at face value and should be scrutinized heavily.


This guy doesn't make sense, because a plane DID NOT HIT building 7, period. He's insinuating that a plane is the reason for his reuslts, which is not possible. He also twisted Jones' words. Jones said that he found chemical traces of thermite, in addition to sulfur, which is an additive to thermite to make it more efficient at cutting structural steel. He didn't JUST find sulfur on the same he took.

I agree his work should be scrutinized, but I would like to see this addressed. There is a lot of sketchy shit surrounding the incident that still needs investigated. Two of the people heading the 9-11 commission are about to release a book talking about how everyone bullshitted them during interviews and to request another investigation.
 
New Oliver Stone 9/11 Film Introduces 'Single Plane' Theory

August 8, 2006
NEW YORK???Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone said Monday that his new film World Trade Center unveils "compelling and controversial" new evidence that a single plane was responsible for all four collisions in New York, Washington, D.C., and Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, 2001.
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"There's no way anyone can ever deny there was only one plane."

"Get ready to go through the looking glass here, people," Stone told reporters at a Manhattan press conference before an advance screening of the movie, which premieres Wednesday. "The film you are about to see is going to blow the lid off the 9/11 Commission's official report and expose a conspiracy that reaches the highest levels of government."
World Trade Center, which stars Nicolas Cage as a dedicated Port Authority officer who stumbles on secret evidence amid the rubble and carnage of the terrorist attack, tells a story quite different from what Stone called "the official government line" about the event. According to the film, at 8:46 a.m., a lone commercial airliner flew diagonally through the North Tower of the World Trade Center, maintained in a circular holding pattern for approximately 17 minutes, then struck the South Tower before heading to the Pentagon.
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Stone

After its collision with the center of American military operations, the so-called "magic plane"???which variously and ingeniously identified itself to air-traffic controllers as "American Airlines Flight 11," "United Airlines Flight 175," "American Airlines Flight 77" and "United Airlines Flight 93"???took to the skies once again, landing at a top-secret "black-ops" Air Force base in West Virginia, where it was reloaded with a group of clones from another shadowy government program that Stone described as "shocking."
Stone, who said he did not have time to explore the clone angle in the three-and-a-half-hour film, plans to do so in the sequel, September 12.
In a gripping sequence, undercover agents transmit pre-recorded cell-phone messages intended to fool loved ones and relatives with a false cover story as the aircraft heads to its final, prearranged crash site in the fields of southwestern Pennsylvania.


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Viewers of the advance screening agreed that the most striking and pivotal scene was Cage's character's discovery of security-camera footage that affirmed the single-plane theory. Showing his skeptical but supportive wife the footage frame by frame, Cage notices that the so-called "first" plane, which, according to official, whitewashed reports, detonated upon impact with the North Tower in the initial collision, actually banks "back and to the left, circling for about 17 minutes, and then diving into the other tower." He repeats the phrase over and over in increasing intensity, toggling back and forth between individual frames while the music swells and the emotional drama rises to a fever pitch.
"After seeing that sequence, there's no way anyone can ever deny again that there was only one plane in the airspace over the eastern seaboard that morning," Stone said.
"I am the most important filmmaker working today," he added.
Early public reaction to the film has been skeptical. Many 9/11 conspiracy theorists claim Stone is presenting an exploitative, far-fetched, and manipulative Hollywood version of the pain and suffering???including eye strain and carpal tunnel syndrome???they have undergone during their countless hours on the Internet in the tragedy's aftermath.
Despite the controversy, Stone stands by his film. "This is a story that needs to be told, in a reality that only I can bring to the big screen," Stone said. "I realize it will be hard to accept for those unable to confront the truth, but I can't hide my head in the sand like some goddamn ostrich. To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men."
 
:funny:

I see he never stopped snorting coke after he made scarface.
 
CowPimp said:
This guy doesn't make sense, because a plane DID NOT HIT building 7, period. He's insinuating that a plane is the reason for his reuslts, which is not possible. He also twisted Jones' words. Jones said that he found chemical traces of thermite, in addition to sulfur, which is an additive to thermite to make it more efficient at cutting structural steel. He didn't JUST find sulfur on the same he took.

I agree his work should be scrutinized, but I would like to see this addressed. There is a lot of sketchy shit surrounding the incident that still needs investigated. Two of the people heading the 9-11 commission are about to release a book talking about how everyone bullshitted them during interviews and to request another investigation.

He's not claiming a plane hit WTC7. A plane initiated the sequence that brought it down... http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm.

I was more interested in barium issue and the amount of thermite it would take to demolish that building. And, yes I've hear the exotic military thermite theory. It seems both sides have an answer for everything, it just a matter of what you want to believe.
 
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the nut said:
He's not claiming a plane hit WTC7. A plane initiated the sequence that brought it down... http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm.

I was more interested in barium issue and the amount of thermite it would take to demolish that building. And, yes I've hear the exotic military thermite theory. It seems both sides have an answer for everything, it just a matter of what you want to believe.


Look who the nut is now...
 
the nut said:
He's not claiming a plane hit WTC7. A plane initiated the sequence that brought it down... http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm.

I was more interested in barium issue and the amount of thermite it would take to demolish that building. And, yes I've hear the exotic military thermite theory. It seems both sides have an answer for everything, it just a matter of what you want to believe.

Exactly why it warrants a more thorough investigation. No one has investigated this theory, and I think there is enough evidence that it should be analyzed, especially because the current theories are flawed in many ways.
 
CowPimp said:
Exactly why it warrants a more thorough investigation. No one has investigated this theory, and I think there is enough evidence that it should be analyzed, especially because the current theories are flawed in many ways.

I'm with you bro, but i don't think anything will ever come from all this. Alot of the evidence is soft and questionable. I didn't realize there was all these consipracy theories surrounding this, until 911=insidejob started posting them. All these sites have answer for everything, I don't know what to believe.
 
the nut said:
I'm with you bro, but i don't think anything will ever come from all this. Alot of the evidence is soft and questionable. I didn't realize there was all these consipracy theories surrounding this, until 911=insidejob started posting them. All these sites have answer for everything, I don't know what to believe.


Not true. The debate about how the WTC collapsed is slightly arguable but as I've posted a few pages back, a known invstigator named Michael Ruppert wrote a book about how 9/11 was a govnt op which was 500 pages and had almost a thousand footnotes from mainstream sources- he only mentions the WTC collapse in 1 paragraph.

Check out this site from Alex Jones:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

Tons of facts from mainstream sources.
 
911=InsideJob said:
Not true. The debate about how the WTC collapsed is slightly arguable but as I've posted a few pages back, a known invstigator named Michael Ruppert wrote a book about how 9/11 was a govnt op which was 500 pages and had almost a thousand footnotes from mainstream sources- he only mentions the WTC collapse in 1 paragraph.

Check out this site from Alex Jones:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

Tons of facts from mainstream sources.

You have some sort of passion for this stuff, and that's fine... for everything you posted I can find some web site with contrary evidence to dispute. I'm just smart enough to know what ever conclusion I come to, is gonna make no difference in the long run. If anything, you got me thinking.
 
the nut said:
You have some sort of passion for this stuff, and that's fine... for everything you posted I can find some web site with contrary evidence to dispute. I'm just smart enough to know what ever conclusion I come to, is gonna make no difference in the long run. If anything, you got me thinking.


Good. But as far as finding rebuttals go, you can't. The only thing that was remotly arguable was the WTC collapse and that's starting to fade away with all the new info coming out now. I mean, the editor from Popular Mechanics tried to say that the reason there was no wing span damage visible in the Pentagon was because it crashed at 500 mph and went inside that little ass hole. C'mon, how silly was that?
 
911=InsideJob said:
Good. But as far as finding rebuttals go, you can't. The only thing that was remotly arguable was the WTC collapse and that's starting to fade away with all the new info coming out now. I mean, the editor from Popular Mechanics tried to say that the reason there was no wing span damage visible in the Pentagon was because it crashed at 500 mph and went inside that little ass hole. C'mon, how silly was that?

I gave you 2 whole sites of rebuttals, you obviously are a conspiracy theorist, you are probably Steve Jones.
 
the nut said:
I gave you 2 whole sites of rebuttals, you obviously are a conspiracy theorist, you are probably Steve Jones.

I dont deal with conpiracy theories, only conspiracy facts. Post a rebutall and I'll debunk it.
 
911=InsideJob said:
Good. But as far as finding rebuttals go, you can't. The only thing that was remotly arguable was the WTC collapse and that's starting to fade away with all the new info coming out now. I mean, the editor from Popular Mechanics tried to say that the reason there was no wing span damage visible in the Pentagon was because it crashed at 500 mph and went inside that little ass hole. C'mon, how silly was that?

Post evidence to dispute him!
 
I did alreay, but here it is again:
http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/pentagon-montage.jpg

No way in hell the wings could just fold and and go inside the hole. He also didnt talk about the fact the fact that the pilot could barly fly a 2-seater yet made advanced menuevers with a 757- in fact, a 757 should not have been able to make the meneuvers made on 9/11 where he made a sharp turn and descended at an incredibly high speed. He also didnt talk about how the footage of what hit the Pentagon was taken away by the FBI within minutes. Or the fact that no Arabs were on that plane and that some of them are still alive.
 
If the plane had come in while making a sharp turn then the wings would have been tilted more vertical, which could explain why a fence and lamppost were knocked down. Since the wings full of fuel would be beneath and on top that would make a molten sandwich which would easily engulf a plane. But who really knows, they could have had a missile dressed up like a plane as some of the conspirasts say, and it may have been a cellulose casing like the one in Clear and Present Danger...
 
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