Al Gore Wins the Nobel Peace Prize!

[KelJu]

the guy may be trying to do good things. im not entirely sold on that yet. the point is its hard to get behind a guy when his intentions are in questions. the guy seems fake to me. that very well could be my false perception, but its hard to shake that this guy is using global warming not for any altruistic beliefs but for personal benifit on the national and world stage. he comes off as an actor.

You can thank Al Gore for having this nice thing we call the Internet. No he did not invent it, but he had a vision for how important data communication was and pushed for funding when nobody else gave a shit. It would have come eventually, but Gore got it off the ground at least 15 years earlier for us.

You can also thank him for many other good pieces of legislation that he pushed because he had a vision. Is the guy sound fake and a terribly uncharismatic? Hell yes! He has the leadership skills of a gerbil. But he has had good ideas, and he has done good things.

Give the man a little bit of credit for his efforts.


By the way, and I am sure most of you already know I am nonpartisan. I didn't vote for Gore, but I wish I had in hindsight. I voted republican and boy am I kicking myself in the ass now.

 

[bio-chem]

If Hitler didn't invade, Stalin you never have gone west into Europe.




You support Al-hakim, I do not.

i find that a very difficult opinion to back up. both opinons

 

[Little Wing]

You need to understand that if, in this country, you're starving, it's because you choose, even if it's through inaction, to be that way. You're correct, no one should starve in this country. And no one has too. There are countless organizations that will give a homeless person food, clothing, and a place to stay the night. Plus there are plenty of organizations that will try to help you get a job and get off the streets (try to find that in Mexico or South Africa!).

As a child, there were times when I didn't have food for a day or two. That wasn't because I couldn't get access to food or other assistance, it was because of my mother. She was far too proud to take a handout. She grew up rich and, as a poor person, refused to accept charity. She wouldn't even use food stamps. She insisted that we make it, or break it, on our own.



No, there's no denying that obesity is a problem (though I think the media plays it up). However, like I said before, plenty of food (and other products and services) does go the poor. I hope you don't mean that we should give our food to other countries, do you?

i'm saying if our "standard of living" wasn't such a joke because so many americans are greedy pigs, or just plain stupid enough to think they need a mansion, private jet, etc or a dvd player more than food we would see also in this lesson that we have enough to share with those less fortunate and yes i do mean give away our food. i think it takes a pretty much worthless human being to covet 10 pairs of nikes and never once stop to consider donating the old ones to a clothing bank rather than donating them to a church or shelter.

it takes a pretty shitty government to be more concerned with how much money goes in the fat cat's pockets than how capable our schools are to teach our children or making sure families can afford health care. this country is full of people with a "mine, mine, mine" mentality. if that changes the good it would do would start to change the world. Al Gore is far from perfect but he is a step in the right direction at least. Simply honestly giving a shit and trying to do something good is more than we have in most politicians.

i live in a really poor area. this was once a thriving mill town and now one of two mills is in operation and running at i think 14% capacity. jobs are hard to come by and most people here are considered to be well below the poverty level. you should see the clothes, food, school supplies etc this area sends over seas or sent to the victims of hurricane katrina. if we all thought we needed swimming pools and bass boats it wouldn't happen.

The New Heroes | PBS is inspiring. every person that is big enough to care beyond the borders of their life and their country is a good thing. too many people everywhere are just little piggies going to market concerned with nothing more than what they can fit on their plate. it's nice to see that amidst the crowds of spiritually blind there are some people that envision a better world for everyone and put their actions where their heart is.

i love being an American and this country has so many good hearted people. then you have your shit for brains like Georgie Bush that ruin our reputation with the rest of the world. people like him create political apathy. the American people are giving up on even participating in elections because the level of people we have to choose from makes it damned if we do damned if we don't. for the most parts our politicians are self centered fucks so why bother... one guy is Gomer Pyle enough to be , I think, sincere enough to actually want to make things better and people would just as soon wipe their ass with him rather than allow him a few faults no matter that he is still a better guy at heart than the rest.

and no child chooses to starve. his parents make that decision for him in this country and too many people refuse to stand up for a child they know needs intervention. that'd be social apathy i guess. there is an old saying that you can judge the wealth of a society by how it cares for it's weakest members. maybe they should revise it to you can tell the "heart" of a people by how it takes care of it's weakest members. ours would be our children and the government doesn't even care to educate them properly because that would cost too much. i'm not about to shit on any man i see trying to change things for the better. perfect or not.

 

[bio-chem]

i'm saying if our "standard of living" wasn't such a joke because so many americans are greedy pigs, or just plain stupid enough to think they need a mansion, private jet, etc or a dvd player more than food we would see also in this lesson that we have enough to share with those less fortunate and yes i do mean give away our food. i think it takes a pretty much worthless human being to covet 10 pairs of nikes and never once stop to consider donating the old ones to a clothing bank rather than donating them to a church or shelter.

it takes a pretty shitty government to be more concerned with how much money goes in the fat cat's pockets than how capable our schools are to teach our children or making sure families can afford health care. this country is full of people with a "mine, mine, mine" mentality. if that changes the good it would do would start to change the world. Al Gore is far from perfect but he is a step in the right direction at least. Simply honestly giving a shit and trying to do something good is more than we have in most politicians.

i live in a really poor area. this was once a thriving mill town and now one of two mills is in operation and running at i think 14% capacity. jobs are hard to come by and most people here are considered to be well below the poverty level. you should see the clothes, food, school supplies etc this area sends over seas or sent to the victims of hurricane katrina. if we all thought we needed swimming pools and bass boats it wouldn't happen.

The New Heroes | PBS is inspiring. every person that is big enough to care beyond the borders of their life and their country is a good thing. too many people everywhere are just little piggies going to market concerned with nothing more than what they can fit on their plate. it's nice to see that amidst the crowds of spiritually blind there are some people that envision a better world for everyone and put their actions where their heart is.

i love being an American and this country has so many good hearted people. then you have your shit for brains like Georgie Bush that ruin our reputation with the rest of the world. people like him create political apathy. the American people are giving up on even participating in elections because the level of people we have to choose from makes it damned if we do damned if we don't. for the most parts our politicians are self centered fucks so why bother... one guy is Gomer Pyle enough to be , I think, sincere enough to actually want to make things better and people would just as soon wipe their ass with him rather than allow him a few faults no matter that he is still a better guy at heart than the rest.

and no child chooses to starve. his parents make that decision for him in this country and too many people refuse to stand up for a child they know needs intervention. that'd be social apathy i guess. there is an old saying that you can judge the wealth of a society by how it cares for it's weakest members. maybe they should revise it to you can tell the "heart" of a people by how it takes care of it's weakest members. ours would be our children and the government doesn't even care to educate them properly because that would cost too much. i'm not about to shit on any man i see trying to change things for the better. perfect or not.

LW i find most of your posts insightful, yet on this topic i can go only so far in supporting you. i feel america does a lot as far as giving to the poor. both by private donations and by our government. im sure many of us on this board as well as yourself have spent time, money, effort to help those as less fortunate as ourselvess. when people go hungry, when children lack for warmth the problem comes down to economics. getting the goods,/services needed to the right people at the right time. our system isnt perfect, yet i believe it does a lot to help those in need. churches donating, private organizations, and government assistance all contribute to the needs of others

 

[DOMS]

and no child chooses to starve. his parents make that decision for him in this country and too many people refuse to stand up for a child they know needs intervention. that'd be social apathy i guess. there is an old saying that you can judge the wealth of a society by how it cares for it's weakest members. maybe they should revise it to you can tell the "heart" of a people by how it takes care of it's weakest members. ours would be our children and the government doesn't even care to educate them properly because that would cost too much.

There's a balance that needs to be struck when trying to rule people's personal lives. As for not doing anything? There are child services in every state. They are thousands of organizations whose sole existence is to help poor children. And that's just some of what we do. I wouldn't say that we're not trying to help them.

i'm not about to shit on any man i see trying to change things for the better. perfect or not.

So it makes perfect sense to waste money by trying to incorrectly solve a problem that's been misdiagnosed? I assume that you're referring to Al Gore?

 

[DOMS]

LW i find most of your posts insightful, yet on this topic i can go only so far in supporting you. i feel america does a lot as far as giving to the poor. both by private donations and by our government. im sure many of us on this board as well as yourself have spent time, money, effort to help those as less fortunate as ourselvess. when people go hungry, when children lack for warmth the problem comes down to economics. getting the goods,/services needed to the right people at the right time. our system isnt perfect, yet i believe it does a lot to help those in need. churches donating, private organizations, and government assistance all contribute to the needs of others

Thank you!

And it's not just organizations or the government. Every Christmas for the last five years, I've found a family that wont have a Christmas for one reason or another. So I put the family (adults included) presents and a gift certificate for a turkey. I wrap them up and drop them off. Twice by putting them on the steps, ringing the doorbell and then taking off.

When people say that "American's don't care for each other", that just pisses on my efforts. Not that I'm going to stop because someone else likes being a pessimist.

 

[Little Wing]

Thank you!

And it's not just organizations or the government. Every Christmas for the last five years, I've found a family that wont have a Christmas for one reason or another. So I put the family (adults included) presents and a gift certificate for a turkey. I wrap them up and drop them off. Twice by putting them on the steps, ringing the doorbell and then taking off.

When people say that "American's don't care for each other", that just pisses on my efforts. Not that I'm going to stop because someone else likes being a pessimist.

that would be the part where i said this country has so many good people and gave the example of my town giving so much despite the fact we don't have much to start with.

i honestly feel though that more people turn their backs than don't and depend on the other guy to be the ones that actually do the good deeds. and i honestly feel too many good men stand silent in the face of evil. i have seen first hand the corruption that undermines the efforts of agencies designed to help the poor. a few years back the head of the department of human services in maine tucked tail and ran when millions of dollars couldn't be accounted for. and it doesn't end there.

a social worker duct taped a little girls head with 40 feet of duct tape and left her to suffocate in a trash filled basement. when sexual abuse happens in a foster home it is seldom prosecuted for fear the money pump foster care is will be dry up. my son was knocked out and locked in the dark in his school and the woman that actually pressed on is chest hard enough to bruise his spine on the floor rendering incapable of breathing long enough for him to lose consciousness held a higher position at that school the following year. i proved beyond any doubt that all he had done was not remove his coat and lowered his head and became unresponsive while being yelled at. the fact that the police in my town supported me and wanted something done because other kids were reporting similar treatment there meant nothing. that it costs too much to take on the legal defense available to a teacher stood in the way of justice.

the powers that be tell us "you can't fight city hall" and we accept it "baaaaa" i believe if we refused to accept that we cannot move our communities and our governments beyond corruption this country would be a better place.

and yes a balance needs to be struck. i think Gore simply feels the importance of getting his message out there justifies the things that allow him to do it on a grand enough scale to get it heard now. we're getting ready to spend over a billion dollars in public awareness campaigns and coupons concerning the switch to digital tv. wtf? what about our schools here not having science part of the year so they can concentrate on their shitty math performance? maybe the government wants a population that can't do math

what politicians do you think you'd like to have represent you? who's perfect?

 

[DOMS]

DOMS:

What did I say?

What did I do?

You are one of my favorite posters.

I do NOT understand what you are talking about.

As a mod you should have rules, but why do you say what you say?

Please respond in public and send me a PM.




Why?

So, you're not the asshole who said they want American troops to die? You're not the one whose sig was a "Support our troops" ribbon with a red slash trough it? You're not the one that talks often made up shit about my country? You're not the one that said that the 3,000 people that died on 9/11 are no big deal?

You're not the one that wrote:

Of course not.

But there won't be a draft.

1 out of 535 Congressman have a son/daughter in Iraq.

I support the insurgents. I support road-side bombs. I support snipers.

The Americans in Iraq are fascists.

uneducated, poorly read, no knowledge of Iraqi history,

they deserve what they get.

and?

yes, 3K is nothing.

And again, no there won't be a draft.

Gen. Abrams made sure of that 30 years ago.


And yes, I still support the insurgent Sunnis. I am still rooting for them.

And the troops are still idiots.

So, like I said before: Go fuck yourself!

 

[bio-chem]

So, you're not the asshole who said they want American troops to die? You're not the one whose sig was a "Support our troops" ribbon with a red slash trough it? You're not the one that talks often made up shit about my country? You're not the one that said that the 3,000 people that died on 9/11 are no big deal?

You're not the one that wrote:



and?



So, like I said before: Go fuck yourself!

 

[danny81]

but you make 65K a year.

umm no.and stop talking shit online its pussy

 

[Big Smoothy]

DOMS,

Those are my opinions. If you disagree, then you can debate me on the issues.

Personal jabs are made when one is losing a debate on an issue.


Yes, I think the number of casualties in 9/11 of 2,967 is a very small number. These numbers are very small. I've repeatedly posts that I think the attacks were horrific and wouldn't with them on anyone. Same as the Vietnam war. 58,000 Americans casualties, compared to 3 million Vietnamese - but we have a wall in Washington, DC to "honor" or pay "respect" to the teenagers that went there.

Many of the Americans in Iraq seem to be very poorly read about Iraqi history, politics, culture. If they were educated, they wouldn't be in Iraq. Statistics support this. It' not negative. But it is reality. The U.S. government does not want educated people in these foreign escapades. The more knowledgeable people are, the more questions they might ask.

I've also told you before, I support the Sunni insurgents that are trying to defend themselves against the Dawa party and Al-maliki and Al-hakim government. (Sayyed Moqtadad Al-sadr recently pulled out of the government.) If you support Shiite Islam and an alliance with Iran, DOMS, you're free to have that opinion. Whether you can explain it is another matter. You are a poor debater who uses little to no facts. This is why you personally attack people.

 

[DOMS]

There's nothing to debate. You hope for the deaths of American soldiers.

End of story.

And be very thankful for the rules that mods go by. And watch yourself, because I will be...

DOMS,

Those are my opinions. If you disagree, then you can debate me on the issues.

Personal jabs are made when one is losing a debate on an issue.


Yes, I think the number of casualties in 9/11 of 2,967 is a very small number. These numbers are very small. Same as the Vietnam war. 58,000 Americans casualties, compared to 3 million Vietnamese - but we have a wall in Washington, DC to "honor" or pay "respect" to the teenagers that went there.

I've also told you before, I support the Sunni insurgents that are trying to defend themselves against the Dawa party and Al-maliki and Al-hakim government. (Sayyed Moqtadad Al-sadr recently pulled out of the government.) If you support Shiite Islam and an alliance with Iran, DOMS, you're free to have that opinion. Whether you can explain it is another matter. You are a poor debater who uses little to no facts. This is why you personally attack people.

 

[Big Smoothy]

There's nothing to debate. You hope for the deaths of American soldiers.

End of story.

And be very thankful for the rules that mods go by. And watch yourself, because I will be...

You make me laugh.

I AM a MODERATOR on another forum. It's not a power trip, DOMS.

I break no rules here on IM. I read more than I post. I don't troll. I contribute to discussion.


You make me laugh. Oh, wow. you will....be....watching me.

I don't break the rules here, DOM.

Watch all you want.

You are the one that just told me to "go f*ck myself."

And you're free to have that opinion. I won't respond to kiddie posts like that directly.

 

[DOMS]

You make me laugh.

I AM a MODERATOR on another forum. It's not a power trip, DOMS.

I break no rules here on IM. I read more than I post. I don't troll. I contribute to discussion.


You make me laugh. Oh, wow. you will....be....watching me.

I don't break the rules here, DOM.

Watch all you want.

You are the one that just told me to "go f*ck myself."

And you're free to have that opinion. I won't respond to kiddie posts like that directly.

Power trip? You're that asshat that write "am" and "moderator" in uppercase. If I were on a power trip, you're ass would be gone.

Like I said elsewhere, until that day comes, I'm going to point out how much of a piece of shit you are.

 

[Big Smoothy]

DOMS,

I'll offer to make a deal with you. It's up to you.

I won't respond to your posts, and you don't respond to mine.

Fair. I don't want to fight and argue.

 

[busyLivin]

Like I said elsewhere, until that day comes, I'm going to point out how much of a piece of shit you are.

Probably not necessary Doms.. that fact is glaring.

 

[busyLivin]

I don't want to fight and argue.

That's exactly what you want. Your signature alone is an invitation for an argument. It's sad, really.

 

[Big Smoothy]

That's exactly what you want. Your signature alone is an invitation for an argument. It's sad, really.

No. I don't want to fight at all. I use this signature on 3 other forums. No one has made a comment about except for the few that agree.

 

[DOMS]

No. I don't want to fight at all. I use this signature on 3 other forums. No one has made a comment about except for the few that agree.

Another dumbfuck post. Both busyLivin and myself mentioned it.

Dumb ass.

 

[Little Wing]

No. I don't want to fight at all. I use this signature on 3 other forums. No one has made a comment about except for the few that agree.

a few said they agree but the silent majority probably thinks like i do. there is a huge difference between not supporting the war and not supporting our troops. not supporting the war is fine, but your sig is your asshat. my silence doesn't mean i don't agree with every word DOMS is saying. he is speaking for a lot of us that are subject to looking at your affront to our soldiers.

 

[busyLivin]

No. I don't want to fight at all. I use this signature on 3 other forums. No one has made a comment about except for the few that agree.

I can assure you it's pissing people off, and don't believe for a second that that wasn't your intention.

 

[DOMS]

a few said they agree but the silent majority probably thinks like i do. there is a huge difference between not supporting the war and not supporting our troops. not supporting the war is fine, but your sig is your asshat.

It's not just that he doesn't support the troops, it's that he wants them to die.

Of course not.

But there won't be a draft.

1 out of 535 Congressman have a son/daughter in Iraq.

I support the insurgents. I support road-side bombs. I support snipers.

The Americans in Iraq are fascists.

uneducated, poorly read, no knowledge of Iraqi history,

they deserve what they get.

 

[Little Wing]

It's not just that he doesn't support the troops, it's that he wants them to die.

well some of us wish no less a fate upon him.

 

[DOMS]

well some of us wish no less a fate upon him.

 

[Little Wing]

good thing we're free to express ourselves in this country.

 

[Big Smoothy]

a few said they agree but the silent majority probably thinks like i do. there is a huge difference between not supporting the war and not supporting our troops. not supporting the war is fine, but your sig is your asshat....he is speaking for a lot of us that are subject to looking at your affront to our soldiers.

They are not "our soldiers."

The don't represent us.

They are representing Wolfowitz, Hadley, Richard Perle, and that small club called the PNAC.

If you support the troops, you support Shiite Islam and Iran. Period.

 

[DOMS]

good thing we're free to express ourselves in this country.

No doubt. Whenever I hear someone in this country talk about the government and use words like fascist and oppressive, I really wish they'd have to spend a year in a country that really is like that. So that they'd know what it's really like and realize how much they're belittling the people that really have to live in those conditions.

 

[bio-chem]

a few said they agree but the silent majority probably thinks like i do. there is a huge difference between not supporting the war and not supporting our troops. not supporting the war is fine, but your sig is your asshat. my silence doesn't mean i don't agree with every word DOMS is saying. he is speaking for a lot of us that are subject to looking at your affront to our soldiers.

 

[Little Wing]

They are not "our soldiers."

The don't represent us.

They are representing Wolfowitz, Hadley, Richard Perle, and that small club called the PNAC.

If you support the troops, you support Shiite Islam and Iran. Period.

they are our fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers... and if you believe in what you are saying so much why don't the rest of us pitch in and buy you a ticket and you can go join the insurgents and snipers instead of sitting there like a pussy n shooting off nothing but your mouth.

 

[DOMS]

they are our fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers... and if you believe in what you are saying so much why don't the rest of us pitch in and buy you a ticket and you can go join the insurgents and snipers instead of sitting there like a pussy n shooting off nothing but your mouth.

I offered to pay for his ticket here, and back (if he lived), so that he could go to a nearby military bar and share his opinions with the people there.

He didn't take me up on the offer.