Alec Baldwin Message For His Daughter

[Little Wing]

I haven't defended her once. She is probably psychopathic bitch. She probably has turned the girl against him. But none of that warrents what he said to his daughter. Now people can say this and that about who they want, but the only facts I have are a tape of Alan being a complete asshole to his kid. Maybe somebody can find something of Kim being a bitch to Alan and turning her kid against him, and we could start a whole different thread about that. It seems everyone here is jumping to defend his remarks.


You know... I don't don't give a shit anymore. I'm tired of trying to make the point that nobody is going to get.

i get your point and i said he acted like a jerk, he handled it wrong. i'm just shocked at the girls behavior in the first place too. i said i understood his getting frustrated i never said i approved of how he dealt with it. if a child is acting like a total asshole i think it's ok to tell them that their behavior is unacceptable and that they will not be met in the real world with the constraint mom and dad (should) show in dealing with it.

 

[MCx2]

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And reproman, your a hypocrite. You went off of the rant about people making assumptions about you then you do it to other people. I have dedicated my life to understanding how the mind works. I took as many psychology electives as I could. I have read as many books as I could get my hands on about how the brain develops and how the mind works. I have been educating myself for the last 7 or more years in my mission to become a well rounded whole person. I stumble and fall sometimes but I pick myself up and carry on.

If you're so educated on the matter then how do you fail to see what's going on here? You are completely dismissing the fact that this girl, being the daughter of 2 celebrities, has probably already seen and heard more than most 18 year olds have in their lives. 12 year old little girls in her situation can be manipulative little bitches, I've seen it first hand.

My buddy Daby was in a custody battle just a few years ago, and how convenient, his daughter was 12. This little girl used the tension between her parents to get absolutely ANYTHING she wanted. She played Daby and Christina like a fucking drum. When Daby was trying to punish her for acting up, she'd call mommy and get her way, and vice versa. It was a fucking nightmare. Both parents wanted to one up each other to gain custody and she knew it. See where I'm going with this?

You hear that phone call and you hear a douche bag of a man acting tough to his poor defenseless 12 year old.

I listened to the recording AFTER I read the facts and I heard a stressed out father that has been probably bending over backwards, doing everything in his power to get custody of a little girl that I GUARANTEE you tells him all the time "I hate mommy, I wanna live with you." I also guarantee she says the exact same things to Kim Basinger.

While Alec probably could have chosen better words, he had every right to say what he did to that girl in that situation. And whether it sunk in or not, she needed to hear that, because it's probably the truth.

 

[MCx2]

And I'm a hypocrite?? This coming from someone whining about how nobody has a right to take your right to bear arms away, and here you are trying to tell someone how they should and shouldn't parent their children. That's funny.

 

[Little Wing]

I stumble and fall sometimes but I pick myself up and carry on.

Alec stumbled. I just don't think you should form a complete opinion of a person from their mistakes. If this is the first time he's talked to her this way, and i'm willing to bet it is as kim undoubtedly would have publicized it before now.

in reading psychology books you probably read too that a verbal abuser is defined, among other things, as one who cannot or will not change their ways and is unrepentant. He seems pretty sorry. He seriously needs to get a grip on his frustration and his mouth but it doesn't make him a monster.

One of my uncles lost his cool with me once and swore a blue streak. At the time i was devastated, now i know he was scared to death seeing two 5 yr olds about to attempt a second story escape with sheets tied together. me n my cousin watched too much tv i think.

 

[Dumby]

I don't think he was out of line. All kids do the same shit. Play anything they can to their advantage. I've done it. I still do it, but on a much smaller scale. I've had my mom and dad say much worse and when I was younger about my actions. It's the kind of things some kids need to hear. It's part of the growing process for both of them.

 

[Double D]

Alec stumbled. I just don't think you should form a complete opinion of a person from their mistakes. If this is the first time he's talked to her this way, and i'm willing to bet it is as kim undoubtedly would have publicized it before now.

in reading psychology books you probably read too that a verbal abuser is defined, among other things, as one who cannot or will not change their ways and is unrepentant. He seems pretty sorry. He seriously needs to get a grip on his frustration and his mouth but it doesn't make him a monster.

One of my uncles lost his cool with me once and swore a blue streak. At the time i was devastated, now i know he was scared to death seeing two 5 yr olds about to attempt a second story escape with sheets tied together. me n my cousin watched too much tv i think.

Theres stumbling and then theres making a 5 minute conversation to your 10 year old little girl and calling her a pig. Fuck him.

Of course hes sorry, he got caught. If I kill someone who i hate am I sorry if I dont get caught? More than likely not. I know how someone should speak to their kids and this in no way is right. I dont think he should have her taken away from him entirely, but his visits need to be monitored for sometime.

 

[Double D]

I don't think he was out of line. All kids do the same shit. Play anything they can to their advantage. I've done it. I still do it, but on a much smaller scale. I've had my mom and dad say much worse and when I was younger about my actions. It's the kind of things some kids need to hear. It's part of the growing process for both of them.

Your 17 you dont even get a vote. I have 3 kids and I know if I were to talk to any of them like that, they would be past distraught, they would be scared to talk to me for sometime.

Yeah they do things in ways to be little mean. But thats why they are the kids and we are the adults.

 

[BoneCrusher]

I disagree 100%.

The problem kids that end up in halfway homes are not born with a silver spoon in their mouthes. Completely different. This girl has obviously been handed everything she's ever wanted and more, and they have created a monster out of her. Chances are the kids you dealt with were from broken homes, no money, no opportunity, basically nothing. The problem children I refer to are selfish most of the time rich, and too smart for their own good. They have EVERYTHING and always want more. Kids that end up in halfway houses are 9 times out of ten PHYSICALLY abused, or abandoned. These kids have already seen more than a child should ever see in regards to hardship and yes I agree, these kids should not be treated like adults, because they have basically missed out on their childhoods as it is.

You will get absolutely nowhere with a smart ass little spoiled rich kid by sugar coating things. She needed to hear what he had to say, and I completely understand where he was coming from. She's lucky to have a father that cares enough to get that upset.

You again think that I'm saying discipline requires a sugar coating. It doesn't. How you put the smack dab on a kid when he or she needs to be dealt with doesn't EVER require name calling or insults. EVER. You wanna get in a kid's face for misbehaving do it hard as the situation calls for ... without insults or degradation. Consequence has to be there for unacceptable actions, but that consequence CANNOT ever include abuse.

"You're an ignorant little pig" can be replaced with
"You're acting like a selfish inconsiderate brat. I haven't ever treated you this way and will not accept that from you." Unless of course he has treated her that way in which case he's fucked. If he conducted himself in a rude selfish way with her he deserves what ever he gets.

Friends and neighbors this is a Hollywood break-up. We're all clueless about the real deal between these two parents so all this he did she said blah blah blah is just lawyer spin ... high paid lawyer spin.

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I don't need to be captain obvious about how bad rich people fuck their kids over same as poor people do. They get abandoned, sexually and physically abused, and left out there in the hands of the public system same as the po folk's childrens.

In California (where I worked with the childrens) if CPS sees the kid is getting abused then the system gets involved. Yes indeedy the richer peeps were able to get away with more for longer, but we still wound up with their kids in our facilities. The rich kids brought with them the issues of social status (of course they were raised to see that they better than us peons) as well as what ever damage was done in their heads or what ever troubles they were born with.

It was heart breaking to see what people do to their own children.

Bottom line is that there's never a situation where disrespecting a kid is acceptable. ReproBro ... shhhhhhh I didn't say don't discipline ... I said don't disrespect. You can respect the the hell out of a kid as you do what you do to discipline him or her. For example a rear naked choke doesn't do any damage at all to the kid's physiology so you have my permission to go there if you need to ... but callin her a pig while you do it is a major no-no . Hope that clears things up a little

 

[BoneCrusher]

While Alec probably could have chosen better words, he had every right to say what he did to that girl in that situation. And whether it sunk in or not, she needed to hear that, because it's probably the truth.

For the record we are of one mind on that.

 

[MCx2]

You again think that I'm saying discipline requires a sugar coating. It doesn't. How you put the smack dab on a kid when he or she needs to be dealt with doesn't EVER require name calling or insults. EVER. You wanna get in a kid's face for misbehaving do it hard as the situation calls for ... without insults or degradation. Consequence has to be there for unacceptable actions, but that consequence CANNOT ever include abuse.

"You're an ignorant little pig" can be replaced with
"You're acting like a selfish inconsiderate brat. I haven't ever treated you this way and will not accept that from you." Unless of course he has treated her that way in which case he's fucked. If he conducted himself in a rude selfish way with her he deserves what ever he gets.

Friends and neighbors this is a Hollywood break-up. We're all clueless about the real deal between these two parents so all this he did she said blah blah blah is just lawyer spin ... high paid lawyer spin.

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I don't need to be captain obvious about how bad rich people fuck their kids over same as poor people do. They get abandoned, sexually and physically abused, and left out there in the hands of the public system same as the po folk's childrens.

In California (where I worked with the childrens) if CPS sees the kid is getting abused then the system gets involved. Yes indeedy the richer peeps were able to get away with more for longer, but we still wound up with their kids in our facilities. The rich kids brought with them the issues of social status (of course they were raised to see that they better than us peons) as well as what ever damage was done in their heads or what ever troubles they were born with.

It was heart breaking to see what people do to their own children.

Bottom line is that there's never a situation where disrespecting a kid is acceptable. ReproBro ... shhhhhhh I didn't say don't discipline ... I said don't disrespect. You can respect the the hell out of a kid as you do what you do to discipline him or her. For example a rear naked choke doesn't do any damage at all to the kid's physiology so you have my permission to go there if you need to ... but callin her a pig while you do it is a major no-no . Hope that clears things up a little

I still disagree.

It's 100% your opinion that you shouldn't disrespect your kids. She knows better than to disrespect her father, and he knows she's old enough to get it back. No offense, but it's his daughter and ultimately his decision to say what he feels he needs to in order to convey his point, whether you think it's "right" or not. I don't approve of a lot of things, but I'm in no position to say if it's right or wrong. Like I said before, it was a poor choice of words, but in the end, that's not what it's about. Apparently everyone is a saint here and has never said something questionable. Alec is not a bad person, or a bad father for this. Period.

 

[Double D]

I still disagree.

It's 100% your opinion that you shouldn't disrespect your kids. She knows better than to disrespect her father, and he knows she's old enough to get it back. No offense, but it's his daughter and ultimately his decision to say what he feels he needs to in order to convey his point, whether you think it's "right" or not. I don't approve of a lot of things, but I'm in no position to say if it's right or wrong. Like I said before, it was a poor choice of words, but in the end, that's not what it's about. Apparently everyone is a saint here and has never said something questionable. Alec is not a bad person, or a bad father for this. Period.

Yeah, but you have to realize if this happened this time I am sure it has happened before. Besdies that this will be something she will always remember. I am a man with 3 kids and I know I wouldnt even dream about talking that way around my kids, let alone talk to them directly like that. But hey maybe I am just a softy.

 

[MCx2]

Yeah, but you have to realize if this happened this time I am sure it has happened before. Besdies that this will be something she will always remember. I am a man with 3 kids and I know I wouldnt even dream about talking that way around my kids, let alone talk to them directly like that. But hey maybe I am just a softy.

Well that's the thing right there. They are in a "normal" home under "normal" circumstances. I'm not sure but it seems ya work a 9 to 5, and I'm sure you have a sit down dinner every night with youd kids, etc. They've never been exposed to the things Alec's daughter has seen being the daughter of a couple actors. Not to mention it seems like Kim Basinger is an absolute nut job on top of it, so God only knows what she's exposed the daughter to. Kids pick up everything they hear at that age and I'm sure she's dealt it to Kim and Alec on more than a few occasions, so it's not like it's anything new she's hearing.

I just think this whole thing is a non-issue. People need to worry about people that are really abusing kids instead of this little girl.

 

[Double D]

Your missing it. Dispite the situation you cannot talk like that to your daughter. You are the adult and she is the child.

By the way I work swing shifts.

 

[Little Wing]

hopefully it won't happen again. if i had to endure the heartbreak of being separated from my child, knowing the person my child lived with was trying to poison them against me, and then be crushed time after time when i tried to cling to what pathetically minute time i had to even speak to them because my child was too selfish and thoughtless to make themselves available for a scheduled phone call hmmm maybe i would experience emotions that could get the better of me. i can't even imagine his pain. i honestly feel like i'd die of heartbreak if someone was keeping my kids from me. i see a parent acting in a disturbing manner yes but i see too a father clinging desperately to fragile threads of contact that are being taken from him despite his struggle to be in his child's life and in contempt of the court orders he's gone thru a ton of bs to get put in place.

 

[MCx2]

Your missing it. Dispite the situation you cannot talk like that to your daughter. You are the adult and she is the child.

By the way I work swing shifts.

I'm not missing it. I hear what you are saying. Like I said, other than the word "pig" I have no problem with the way he talked to her. Some kids need to hear that from time to time, male or female.

 

[Double D]

He told an 11 or 12 year old girl hes goin to fly out there and when he does shes goin to get it! Sounds physical to me.

 

[MCx2]

He told an 11 or 12 year old girl hes goin to fly out there and when he does shes goin to get it! Sounds physical to me.

Sounds like desperation to me.

 

[Double D]

You say "tomato, I say "tomato".....spelled the same just how do you pronounce it?!

 

[MCx2]

You say "tomato, I say "tomato".....spelled the same just how do you pronounce it?!

"Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina."

"No, there's no way that's correct."

"I'm sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago."

"Doesn't it mean Saint Diego?"

"No. No."

"No, that's - that's what it means. Really."

"Agree to disagree."

 

[BoneCrusher]

I still disagree.

It's 100% your opinion that you shouldn't disrespect your kids. She knows better than to disrespect her father, and he knows she's old enough to get it back. No offense, but it's his daughter and ultimately his decision to say what he feels he needs to in order to convey his point, whether you think it's "right" or not. I don't approve of a lot of things, but I'm in no position to say if it's right or wrong. Like I said before, it was a poor choice of words, but in the end, that's not what it's about. Apparently everyone is a saint here and has never said something questionable. Alec is not a bad person, or a bad father for this. Period.

It's not only not 100% my opinion, it's common teaching in every child psychology class in every university on the planet. Self esteem issues are severely impacted by this kind of poor parenting.

We disagree. Seems like we will continue to do so. It's okay I forgive you .

My sainthood not withstanding, I haven't ever treated my son like that. Never will. The result is we are the best of friends AND enjoy a tremendous mutual respect. There were times when he was a complete and total asshole ... but I never called him one. Never called him a pig or anything like that. I've always called him on the issues ... if it was needed, but I did it with respect to him as an individual, even if it meant spanking his ass to do it. When the spanking came he knew before he did what ever he did what was coming ... "If I dude it I get a whoopin' ... but I dude it anyways" was part of how he did things sometimes. That was his call.

I'm calling a spade a spade and bad parenting bad parenting ... Baldwin screwed the pooch and had no business doing it. He should take a class or something so he doesn't repeat the same mistakes.

This story will not go away ... so we'll see what the courts decide. Maybe, if it is interesting enough for us to all put our judgmental posting time in on we'll debate this one again. If not ... ... we'll discuss something more useful to our daily lives like say ... the moral future of Paris Hilton and should she be allowed to reproduce.

 

[MCx2]

It's not only not 100% my opinion, it's common teaching in every child psychology class in every university on the planet. Self esteem issues are severely impacted by this kind of poor parenting.

We disagree. Seems like we will continue to do so. It's okay I forgive you .

My sainthood not withstanding, I haven't ever treated my son like that. Never will. The result is we are the best of friends AND enjoy a tremendous mutual respect. There were times when he was a complete and total asshole ... but I never called him one. Never called him a pig or anything like that. I've always called him on the issues ... if it was needed, but I did it with respect to him as an individual, even if it meant spanking his ass to do it. When the spanking came he knew before he did what ever he did what was coming ... "If I dude it I get a whoopin' ... but I dude it anyways" was part of how he did things sometimes. That was his call.

I'm calling a spade a spade and bad parenting bad parenting ... Baldwin screwed the pooch and had no business doing it. He should take a class or something so he doesn't repeat the same mistakes.

This story will not go away ... so we'll see what the courts decide. Maybe, if it is interesting enough for us to all put our judgmental posting time in on we'll debate this one again. If not ... ... we'll discuss something more useful to our daily lives like say ... the moral future of Paris Hilton and should she be allowed to reproduce.

And what has worked for you has worked for you. I respect that and I expected nothing less. I still disagree that it makes him a bad parent. And I strongly disagree that there is any one right way to raise a child.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Don't make me come over there ... you're disturbing my Mythbusters time. They're busting Hollywood myths.

 

[KelJu]

If you're so educated on the matter then how do you fail to see what's going on here? You are completely dismissing the fact that this girl, being the daughter of 2 celebrities, has probably already seen and heard more than most 18 year olds have in their lives. 12 year old little girls in her situation can be manipulative little bitches, I've seen it first hand.

My buddy Daby was in a custody battle just a few years ago, and how convenient, his daughter was 12. This little girl used the tension between her parents to get absolutely ANYTHING she wanted. She played Daby and Christina like a fucking drum. When Daby was trying to punish her for acting up, she'd call mommy and get her way, and vice versa. It was a fucking nightmare. Both parents wanted to one up each other to gain custody and she knew it. See where I'm going with this?

You hear that phone call and you hear a douche bag of a man acting tough to his poor defenseless 12 year old.

I listened to the recording AFTER I read the facts and I heard a stressed out father that has been probably bending over backwards, doing everything in his power to get custody of a little girl that I GUARANTEE you tells him all the time "I hate mommy, I wanna live with you." I also guarantee she says the exact same things to Kim Basinger.

While Alec probably could have chosen better words, he had every right to say what he did to that girl in that situation. And whether it sunk in or not, she needed to hear that, because it's probably the truth.

The truth is a lot of people's kids aren't very smart, good lucking, athletic, hard working, or successful. They don't need to hear that. You shouldn't say " hey johnny why don't you stop being a dumbass and do better in school", or hey billy, you are one ugly fucking kid, you sure do take after your mother". There are a lot of asshole parents that tell their kids messed up stuff like that, and the kids are directly affected by that. No, if your kid is failing in school you help your kid with his homework, and teach them how to overcome their shortcomings to be a strong healthy adult. You never under any circumstances berate your kid and call them a pig or whatever else. Just like Bonecrusher said, it is common fact any any and every psychology class or book you will ever read. It should be common sense among people that considers them self a decent human being. But we have a lot of assholes that think that kind of behavior is ok, hence we have so many fucked up people walking around. Your environment is going to play the most part in how you turn out combined with genetics playing a smaller part. Being a bitch is not a genetic trait. The girl has been raised to be the way she is, and judging by Kim's behavior, the kid is exactly what she was raised to be..a bitch. So rather than taking his anger out on the cause of the problem, Kim, he takes it out on his daughter in the dumbest move ever which will only push her farther from him. One or two tirades like than, and he will never be able to earn her trust again.

You assume too much. I don't have the facts, and neither does anyone here. The only fact is the tape recording. Maybe he can still reach his daughter, but it is going to take a massive effort, and one hell of a good explanation for why he did that. Its human nature to lash out when you are hurt, and no doubt he had been hurt by his wife and his daughter. But, you can't give in to the urge to lash out at your kids in a hurtful way.

I am not making this post to when an argument or look cool, or any of that shit. I believe with every being of my soul that children shouldn't be abused either physically or verbally. That is my point, and hopefully someone will consider it for at least a moment before they try to form some rebuttal to it, because I am done and I have said what I wanted to say.

 

[MCx2]

The truth is a lot of people's kids aren't very smart, good lucking, athletic, hard working, or successful. They don't need to hear that. You shouldn't say " hey johnny why don't you stop being a dumbass and do better in school", or hey billy, you are one ugly fucking kid, you sure do take after your mother". There are a lot of asshole parents that tell their kids messed up stuff like that, and the kids are directly affected by that. No, if your kid is failing in school you help your kid with his homework, and teach them how to overcome their shortcomings to be a strong healthy adult. You never under any circumstances berate your kid and call them a pig or whatever else. Just like Bonecrusher said, it is common fact any any and every psychology class or book you will ever read. It should be common sense among people that considers them self a decent human being. But we have a lot of assholes that think that kind of behavior is ok, hence we have so many fucked up people walking around. Your environment is going to play the most part in how you turn out combined with genetics playing a smaller part. Being a bitch is not a genetic trait. The girl has been raised to be the way she is, and judging by Kim's behavior, the kid is exactly what she was raised to be..a bitch. So rather than taking his anger out on the cause of the problem, Kim, he takes it out on his daughter in the dumbest move ever which will only push her farther from him. One or two tirades like than, and he will never be able to earn her trust again.

You assume too much. I don't have the facts, and neither does anyone here. The only fact is the tape recording. Maybe he can still reach his daughter, but it is going to take a massive effort, and one hell of a good explanation for why he did that. Its human nature to lash out when you are hurt, and no doubt he had been hurt by his wife and his daughter. But, you can't give in to the urge to lash out at your kids in a hurtful way.

I am not making this post to when an argument or look cool, or any of that shit. I believe with every being of my soul that children shouldn't be abused either physically or verbally. That is my point, and hopefully someone will consider it for at least a moment before they try to form some rebuttal to it, because I am done and I have said what I wanted to say.

Fair enough.

I still stand by what I say, and I still consider myself a decent human being.

 

[Dumby]

Your 17 you dont even get a vote. I have 3 kids and I know if I were to talk to any of them like that, they would be past distraught, they would be scared to talk to me for sometime.

Yeah they do things in ways to be little mean. But thats why they are the kids and we are the adults.

That makes no sense? They'd be "past distraught". He said things that I would have thought of for using later on other people at 12 years old. If my father said that stuff to me I'd laugh now. No, I think maybe your children were just raised different, or maybe they just have different personalities then what I did.

 

[Double D]

You truely are an idiot arent you? You really cant even begin to comment on this situation your still a kid yourself. Whenever you were 10 years old you wouldve laughed? I highly doubt it! Especially a little girl. I know my little girls are very fragile whenever it comes to hearing bad things. You can have an opinion, but your opinion means nothing at 17 years old.

Until you have kids and figure out how kids are suppose to be treated please, dont act like you know what a proper parent should act like.

 

[KelJu]

That makes no sense? They'd be "past distraught". He said things that I would have thought of for using later on other people at 12 years old. If my father said that stuff to me I'd laugh now. No, I think maybe your children were just raised different, or maybe they just have different personalities then what I did.

 

[Dumby]

You truely are an idiot arent you? You really cant even begin to comment on this situation your still a kid yourself. Whenever you were 10 years old you wouldve laughed? I highly doubt it! Especially a little girl. I know my little girls are very fragile whenever it comes to hearing bad things. You can have an opinion, but your opinion means nothing at 17 years old.

Until you have kids and figure out how kids are suppose to be treated please, dont act like you know what a proper parent should act like.

Thank you for failing to make any kind of point at all. How kids are supposed to be treated? Because you're the perfect parent right? You don't know me. Don't make assumptions. Also, I said I would laugh at now. As in at 17.

 

[Double D]

Again your 17. No 17 year old knows anything but one thing, "Yourself", and most the time they dont even know that!

 

[Double D]

Actually it wouldnt matter if your 17 or 71, if you think its ok to talk like that to your own daughter then you dont deserve to have kids, or be around them for that matter!