America Is Messed Up.!!!!!

[GearsMcGilf]

The only country where we have homeless without shelter,
Children going to bed without eating
Elderly going without meds
Mentally Ill without treatment.,yet we have a benefit for the people of Haiti on 12 television stations??? SHAME ON YOU AMERICA !!!
CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME....JUST MY THOUGHTS....

Ever been to......any country not in N.America or Western Europe?

Seriously, you need some more negging! I'll be right with you!

 

[GearsMcGilf]

Ah, okay, I get you.

Then hell yes, we need to use American money to help American people. I'm all for this.

You just need to be careful on how you word it. Most of the rest of the world is pretty fucked up. From killing gays in the Middle East, to the raping of 3-12 year old girls in South Africa, to the killing of infant girls in India, to the harvesting of human bodies in China (by the government); most of the world is a nightmare. And most Americans have no idea.

Amen knig!

 

[DOMS]

Ever been to......any country not in N.America or Western Europe?

Seriously, you need some more negging! I'll be right with you!

 

[pitman]

america really needs to mind their own fuckin business. worry bout the blacks here we already help on welfare....

 

[pitman]

Amen knig!

love my roids

 

[GearsMcGilf]

love my roids

There, done! Sorry for the wait!

 

[Perdido]

There, done! Sorry for the wait!

More neggs donated to the annoying fucker from me for the DRSE cause.

 

[Dark Geared God]

More neggs donated to the annoying fucker from me for the DRSE cause.

A rap

there so much trouble in the DRSE it ao hard to be the situation DOGG some how some way i keep makin up shit each and every single day....i ripped snoop off

 

[lnvanry]

Because they're the only civilized, useful country in that part of the world and it makes sense to have a presence all around the world.

which is why we give aid to begin with...and I'd hardly call Israel any more civilized than other aid recipients...gaza isn't exactly a pinnacle of civilization.

They are clearly more advanced that any other aid recipient...which begs the question of why they receive such a high volume of funds considering they are indigenously capable of supporting themselves now

 

[lnvanry]

I agree but it is what it is...I am still trying to figure out why we give Isreal so much.

B/c they know how to work our political system better our own people...highly effective and efficient at lobbying and influencing key decision makers.

Only country in world to receive over 2B$ in FMF at the beginning of the year, then accumulate interest for 10-11months and spend it in Nov and Dec which conditional attachments of offset for OUR tax dollars.

They also influence which countries get to receive defensive articles and get congress to stall or block sales to Arab allies (KSA, UAE, Egypt)...plus they did a fantastic job at copying our technology and now they are starting to under bid us in emerging markets. They play our gov't, intel community, and defense manufacturing base like a game of chess.

 

[DOMS]

which is why we give aid to begin with...and I'd hardly call Israel any more civilized than other aid recipients...gaza isn't exactly a pinnacle of civilization.

They're in the Middle East and don't eat live babies, what more do you want?

They are clearly more advanced that any other aid recipient...which begs the question of why they receive such a high volume of funds considering they are indigenously capable of supporting themselves now

Because they get shit done.

Do you remember how Saddam was building a nuclear plant that the US put a stop to in the Gulf War? Well, that wasn't the first time he'd tried. The first time he tried was back in the late 70s. He purchased a nuclear reactor from France. It was almost to the point where it could produce weapons grade material.

Back then they said, as the do now about Iran, that they were only going to make puppies and kittens with their nuclear reactor, and not bombs.

Keep in mind that the French sold them the reactor. The very same French that were selling weapons to Iraq even after the second leg of the Gulf War started.

While others, including the US, were harrumphing, Israel decided to do something. They flew over, redesigned the reactor into a crater, went back home, drank some wine, and took a nap.

Oh, and three nuclear scientists also fell down some stairs and died. Mysteriously.

The UN was all ass-hurt about it. They passed a resolution saying it was a bad thing that made them ass-hurt. I'm willing to bet they even went as far as issuing a sternly written letter.

I'm willing to lay down some good money that Iran's nuclear plant won't be around much longer.

Today's smoking, ex-nuclear plant, crater is brought to you by the letter 'I'.

 

[bio-chem]

They're in the Middle East and don't eat live babies, what more do you want?



Because they get shit done.

Do you remember how Saddam was building a nuclear plant that the US put a stop to in the Gulf War? Well, that wasn't the first time he'd tried. The first time he tried was back in the late 70s. He purchased a nuclear reactor from France. It was almost to the point where it could produce weapons grade material.

Back then they said, as the do now about Iran, that they were only going to make puppies and kittens with their nuclear reactor, and not bombs.

Keep in mind that the French sold them the reactor. The very same French that were selling weapons to Iraq even after the second leg of the Gulf War started.

While others, including the US, were harrumphing, Israel decided to do something. They flew over, redesigned the reactor into a crater, went back home, drank some wine, and took a nap.

Oh, and three nuclear scientists also fell down some stairs and died. Mysteriously.

The UN was all ass-hurt about it. They passed a resolution saying it was a bad thing that made them ass-hurt. I'm willing to bet they even went as far as issuing a sternly written letter.

I'm willing to lay down some good money that Iran's nuclear plant won't be around much longer.

Today's smoking, ex-nuclear plant, crater is brought to you by the letter 'I'.

DOMS is a God on this board. his reputation says so. and rightfully so. Isreal gets shit done.

 

[jmorrison]

Israel has been kicking the shit out of everyone who threatened them or their allies for thousands of years. Giving them handouts is good sense. It's like paying Chuck Norris to hang out with you.

 

[DOMS]

The only reason that the hostilities between the Israelis and the Palestinians has dragged on for so long is because of outside interference. If the combatants were left to their own devices, it'd be over before lunch tomorrow.

Of course, you'd only be able to talk about Palestinians in the past tense, but I'm okay with that.

 

[jmorrison]

Maybe its because I had to deal with a lot of shit over there, but my political lean for dealing with middle eastern issues has always been to just let Isreal off their leash and keep other countries off their backs.

Everyone would pooh-pooh for a little bit, while most would silently be congratulating them. Fucking hypocrits lol.

 

[lnvanry]

Israel has been kicking the shit out of everyone who threatened them or their allies for thousands of years. Giving them handouts is good sense. It's like paying Chuck Norris to hang out with you.

They have dominated their backyard from the 60s till the most recent war with Lebanon which resulted in a stalemate IMHO....but certainly not 1000s of years

 

[DOMS]

let Isreal off their leash and keep other countries off their backs.

Most people misunderstand the relationship between the US and Israel. Maybe in the early days we protected them, but that hasn't been the case for decades. These days, our role is primarily to try to stop Israel from annihilating their enemies. And I mean that in the most literal sense: annihilate.

At this point, we're mostly their Jiminy Cricket.

 

[lnvanry]

The only reason that the hostilities between the Israelis and the Palestinians has dragged on for so long is because of outside interference. If the combatants were left to their own devices, it'd be over before lunch tomorrow.

Of course, you'd only be able to talk about Palestinians in the past tense, but I'm okay with that.

I don't publicly support or oppose the Israeli initiative to boot the Palestinians out of its territory. I just don't think it should be on our dime...they are fully capable of financing their own solutions.

And yes, it would be over in a matter of days, but its would have to deal with its Arab neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, and Syria). Not b/c their truly care about the Palestinians, but b/c they don't want an influx of thousands of poor, unemployed, uneducated people flooding their borders...so they'll block any migration and possibly arm the Palestinians just so they don't have to deal with the immigration issue

 

[DOMS]

They have dominated their backyard from the 60s till the most recent war with Lebanon which resulted in a stalemate IMHO....but certainly not 1000s of years

It's been an on again, off again thing for them.

 

[lnvanry]

Most people misunderstand the relationship between the US and Israel. Maybe in the early days we protected them, but that hasn't been the case for decades. These days, our role is primarily to try to stop Israel from annihilating their enemies. And I mean that in the most literal sense: annihilate.

At this point, we're mostly their Jiminy Cricket.

I agree about halfway, we don't protect them as much as the Cold War days, but as I said in an earlier post, +2B$ in FMF and "free" offset is anything but Jimminy Cricket.

 

[jmorrison]

Maybe my math skills aren't what they used to be, but I think that recorded battles begninning from the Battle of Kadesh around 1200 BC to present day is a pretty long war record. They have been fighting since before Jesus. Everyone there has combat training (yes EVERYONE). Think of your grandmother. If she had been born in Israel, she would have at least basic combat training and a base understanding of explosives.

Believe what you want, I have been in it, and seen plenty, and Isreal has done much more than defend it's backyard.

We give them handouts (read bribes) to continue to hold onto our influence with them, and to keep them from destroying everyone around them and kicking off a shit storm with our other middle eastern allies.

 

[jmorrison]

till the most recent war with Lebanon which resulted in a stalemate

Also, my understanding on what is a win/loss/draw may be off a bit, but in what possible, far-fetched, remote and fucking insane world was this a stalemate?

Israel had a truck full of people killed, reacted by killing THOUSANDS, and only stopped after the UN stepped in. If by stalemate you mean that they were basically pooh-poohed into stopping the wholesale destruction of Lebanon, then yes...I guess it was a draw.

 

[Budz08]

The difference between helping others overseas after a devastating event and 'ignoring' those in need within the United States is that some will argue that those in serious need within the U.S. (such as the homeless) are feeling the effects of some sort of systemic failure. Maybe societal and economic differences might have lead to their situation or it was there own fault, but it definitely wasn't an act of nature like a hurricane or an earthquake that put them on the streets.

Donations will NOT solve this problem within our country. It all starts with the availability of an efficient education and the breaking down of societal barriers and systemic borders.

Along with the donations we have made within the United States and the acts of volunteer groups like Habitat for Humanity, our government has involved itself in recovery and relief efforts after devastating events within our own borders. Citizens of other nations don't always have the luxury of having a powerful and organized (for the most part) government that can address the needs of its people.

I'm not saying that what happened after Katrina was handled anyway near perfect but I know that something was done. There is always room for improvement and I'm proud of the way the people of this nation responded to Katrina by helping out in anyway they could, but calling out the U.S. for helping people out who already lived in poverty before this catastrophe is not the way to go. Especially when your main argument revolves around the amount of donations we have made.
Not only that but it's also sad to think that when a horrible event has taken place and humanity actually responds positively by helping each other out, people look at the situation from a negative perspective.

Really though this post is kinda funny because even though our nation produces more in GDP than any other nation on the planet we still donate less money in terms of a percentage in comparison to our annual GDP than any other nation on the planet as well. So other nations making less than us are able to provide more financial assistance abroad in terms of how much they earn to how much they donate. It's insane how much money this nation makes compared to other countries. Although a lack of money will probably cause us more problems, I'm not so sure more money will fix everything either.

If people are really pissed off about us donating money to people suffering around the world because it takes away from addressing our own domestic problems take a look at how much money is directed towards military spending. I think the numbers for how much money was directed towards the Department of Defense in 2008 was estimated to be between $925 Billion and $1.14 Trillion. The 2009 GDP of Haiti was $11.61 Billion.

 

[KelJu]

The difference between helping others overseas after a devastating event and 'ignoring' those in need within the United States is that some will argue that those in serious need within the U.S. (such as the homeless) are feeling the effects of some sort of systemic failure. Maybe societal and economic differences might have lead to their situation or it was there own fault, but it definitely wasn't an act of nature like a hurricane or an earthquake that put them on the streets.

Donations will NOT solve this problem within our country. It all starts with the availability of an efficient education and the breaking down of societal barriers and systemic borders.

Along with the donations we have made within the United States and the acts of volunteer groups like Habitat for Humanity, our government has involved itself in recovery and relief efforts after devastating events within our own borders. Citizens of other nations don't always have the luxury of having a powerful and organized (for the most part) government that can address the needs of its people.

I'm not saying that what happened after Katrina was handled anyway near perfect but I know that something was done. There is always room for improvement and I'm proud of the way the people of this nation responded to Katrina by helping out in anyway they could, but calling out the U.S. for helping people out who already lived in poverty before this catastrophe is not the way to go. Especially when your main argument revolves around the amount of donations we have made.
Not only that but it's also sad to think that when a horrible event has taken place and humanity actually responds positively by helping each other out, people look at the situation from a negative perspective.

Really though this post is kinda funny because even though our nation produces more in GDP than any other nation on the planet we still donate less money in terms of a percentage in comparison to our annual GDP than any other nation on the planet as well. So other nations making less than us are able to provide more financial assistance abroad in terms of how much they earn to how much they donate. It's insane how much money this nation makes compared to other countries. Although a lack of money will probably cause us more problems, I'm not so sure more money will fix everything either.

If people are really pissed off about us donating money to people suffering around the world because it takes away from addressing our own domestic problems take a look at how much money is directed towards military spending. I think the numbers for how much money was directed towards the Department of Defense in 2008 was estimated to be between $925 Billion and $1.14 Trillion. The 2009 GDP of Haiti was $11.61 Billion.

Very interesting post.

 

[DOMS]

Donations will NOT solve this problem within our country. It all starts with the availability of an efficient education and the breaking down of societal barriers and systemic borders.

I'm not talking about spending the money here in the US. I'm talking about not spending it at all.

The USA throws away money all over the globe, and I'm not just talking about wars. Throwing money at Haiti isn't going to change a thing there long-term. Nothing. Not a thing.

We're better off not spending the money, trimming down the budget, and moving out of debt.

 

[danzik17]

Most people misunderstand the relationship between the US and Israel. Maybe in the early days we protected them, but that hasn't been the case for decades. These days, our role is primarily to try to stop Israel from annihilating their enemies. And I mean that in the most literal sense: annihilate.

At this point, we're mostly their Jiminy Cricket.

My only rule is no nukes. The fallout that reaches the upper atmosphere could fuck over places thousands of miles way.

And they might accidentally light the oil on fire.

 

[pitman]

I'm not talking about spending the money here in the US. I'm talking about not spending it at all.

The USA throws away money all over the globe, and I'm not just talking about wars. Throwing money at Haiti isn't going to change a thing there long-term. Nothing. Not a thing.

We're better off not spending the money, trimming down the budget, and moving out of debt.

great words...what you think bout '' if you speak english press one''? what bout american kids have to speak spanish? next will be haiti?

 

[Dark Geared God]

the oil has been on fire before i was there..

 

[danzik17]

the oil has been on fire before i was there..

Yea but it's such a waste. That oil would be better served in my car.

 

[DOMS]

the oil has been on fire before i was there..

Close, Billy.

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