Am I the only one that thinks Andre would more than have a chance? I can't see Bruce giving up that much weight and being able to sustain. Andre would only have to wait until Bruce got close enough to grab and it's over.
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Andre the giant vs Bruce Lee
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largepkg said:
I agree with you competely. I think that if Bruce Lee was about 200 lbs it's a different fight, but at his weight (which I think he was heavier than 120 lbs.) it's not a no-brainer in my opinion.
largepkg said:
Size really does not matter if you know what you're doing. I see it all the time. Div 1 300 LB ripped wrestler versus my instructor @ 160. Instructor wins, it doesn't matter.
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seth042280 said:
Nah it was Wanderlei Silva on UFC 61... hopefully Chuck beats Babalu again, because Liddell/Silva would be a great fight. Biggest UFC fight in a few years if it happens
BigDyl said:
This is completely inaccurate. At some point size does matter. It's irrefutable!
We are also talking about 130lbs vs 500lbs... That's like fighting a brick wall. How can you win? It's not like Andre was an obese 500lbs either.
With all due respect to Andre, Bruce Lee knew how to and where to kick you. One swift kick in the nuts would end it all...
It's funny. I had a discussion with one of my buddies about this. I'm a fairly big guy 6'4'' 260lbs 10%BF. I told him that no one under 140lbs could take me in a MMA fight. He said his instructor would tear me apart. I then asked him if it was full contact "no holds barred" his instructor would still kill me? He said no doubt.
So I went to his gym. They train grappling and MMA style fighting. I met his instructor and kinda giggled. He was 5'6''(at most) 135lbs. I said I didn't feel comfortable with full contact. He said no problem, would I like to grapple with him. I said sure. Now I'm no expert in MMA but I know not to give up your limbs. I crushed this guy on three separate occasions. He said I must have practiced against these moves yada yada yada.
I then gave him the start to an arm bar but with me on my feet and him on his back. I told him to go all out as I would until him or I tap. I picked him up over my head and he tapped before I slammed him. Now maybe this guy sucks ass but size matters. I watched him school other guys after that. Go figure.
So I went to his gym. They train grappling and MMA style fighting. I met his instructor and kinda giggled. He was 5'6''(at most) 135lbs. I said I didn't feel comfortable with full contact. He said no problem, would I like to grapple with him. I said sure. Now I'm no expert in MMA but I know not to give up your limbs. I crushed this guy on three separate occasions. He said I must have practiced against these moves yada yada yada.
I then gave him the start to an arm bar but with me on my feet and him on his back. I told him to go all out as I would until him or I tap. I picked him up over my head and he tapped before I slammed him. Now maybe this guy sucks ass but size matters. I watched him school other guys after that. Go figure.
largepkg said:
Gee if it was that easy every power lifter would be an MMA fighter!
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OMG!
Are some of you that stupid?
Size matters!
Strength matters!
Speed matters!
Skill matters!
Training matters!
Everything fucking matter!
A fight is made up of all of these demensions. Anybody that says size doesn't matter or that strength doesn't matter is a retard.
Are some of you that stupid?
Size matters!
Strength matters!
Speed matters!
Skill matters!
Training matters!
Everything fucking matter!
A fight is made up of all of these demensions. Anybody that says size doesn't matter or that strength doesn't matter is a retard.
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fufu said:
Was that the PRIDE fight? I saw him get tapped by a fit Frank Mir too.
largepkg said:
Sorry Sir for trying to be a little funny. This is a serious discussion about two dead guys one of which was a cartoon character (Sorry Andre, but you were) while the other a lethal martial artist.
You, however, want to be serious, Ok, I'll play along too. So have you ever watched a wrestling match? How do they stand? I can assure you, they don't stand like soldiers with their legs together. They would fall sideways. They need their balance. Now, would you like to re-think that statement?
I'll continue being serious, as you wish, Bruce Lee fought men much bigger than he was. He was too quick, he was to accurate and he hit way too hard (Stated the obvious). There are stories out there that he used to anger some stunt men because he would hit them harder than he should have. I am not a Lee historian, but I've read about that
It has been said that Bruce Lee could kill a man with one finger. Once again, it's all stories, I am not sure about this. On the other hand Andre would simply kill you by looking at you (sorry, a little levity) or smothering you. He would never have gotten a hold of Lee, not in a million years.
That's my (serious) opinion....
It's all conjecture at this point. We don't know what skill level Andre could/would have brought as he only wrestled for show. I still believe it would be a whole lot harder than a couple of strikes or kicks to hurt or take down Andre. He was just that big. I saw him in person on a few occasions, granted I was very young but OMG was he large. I can't imagine a few well placed strikes would take him down. And, I'm quite sure he would not stand there and allow Bruce to strike him where he wanted.
BigDyl said:Gee if it was that easy every power lifter would be an MMA fighter!
It's not just A PL guy. 300 - 400lb+ size is a factor. I have to believe that anyone in the know would say the same. When I say "in the know" I mean an actual fighter.
largepkg said:
If you think of it, I don't think it has much to do with whether he would stand there and be hit. I have always believed that a really fast guy can take down a really big and slow guy. Witness Bob Sapp fighting in K1, all he could do was smother people, but when a faster smaller "good" fighter got a hold of him, beat him to a pulp. Why? Started kicking him in the legs and took the steam out of him. Granted, Sapp is faster than the giant and the smothering tactics that he uses are aided by that speed. Andre was a big, lumbering, monster of a man who knew how to wrestle. What could have happened if he fought Lee on even terms? He would have gotten tired of chasing him and would have been vanquished by strong kicks in those tree trunks called legs of his.
Just my opinion....
By the way, when did you see him? Was he still wrestling?
largepkg said:
Which goes back to my Sapp example. He was a good show in K1 but didn't make it in MMA. Got tired too fast and got hit in the legs by superior fighters, which brought about an easier time for his opponent to him in the head. He was so tired that he just fell....
fantasma62 said:
ROFL, sapp got pwned by cro cop, he was crying.... hahaha... and largepkg is no were near as strong as sapp, or as big, not even close.
KelJu said:
It matters, but
Technique > Strength
Technique > Size
Technique > Speed
Don't forget Bruce Lee had strength beyond his size and that Andre the Giant was nearly a cripple from the added stress of his height and weight. Andre's knees were ultra-vulnerable and Bruce had more than enough power to snap one in a flash.
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BigDyl said:
Hey, I agree with that.
All I'm saying is don't discount strength and size. It isn't like anyone knew if the giant actually had any technique, anyhow.
The giant might have had great technique, but didn't ever have the need to use it on account that he was making ass loads more money in the entertainment world.
Andre vs Bruce... you have to admit that it would be a good fight none the less.
KelJu said:
I'm pretty sure Andre had no wrestling, jiu jitsu, judo, vale tudo, or boxing skills. He was just big. No speed, relative strength for his size, but not applied strength, it would be sloppy. No technique. Bruce Lee was a sick striker, yes, but totally overrated. I'm sure he'd pwn Andre though.
You forget Bruce studied Wing Chun, he would have used sticking hands against Andre's thumb wrestling and bam devastating sidekick to the solar plexus....BigDyl said:
maniclion said:
Andre was way, way too slow. He would never touch BL.
It would be fun to watch, but BL would pwn Andre in a heartbeat.
fantasma62 said:
I was very young. It had to be around 1980-82. Yes, he was wrestling and the venue I saw him at was the old West Palm Beach auditorium. My aunt was at the time a wrestling freak and loved taking us to the shows.
Hell, at that point in my life I thought it was all real. What a disappointment that was...
fantasma62 said:
I think the Sapp example is a bit misconstruing in relation to this discussion. Sapp was going up against guys 200+lbs. These guys had size and power on their side. As well as Andre being significantly bigger then even Bob Sapp. Yes, Sapp probably has better quickness but Andre was almost a foot taller and 100+lbs more.
All someone of that size would have to do is grab a hold of the other and its over. Again, please relate your examples to this discussion. 130lbs vs 500lbs... not 210lbs vs 350lbs... JMO as well
I think the more entertaining question would be could Bruce handle the best of the MMA world today? I say no, again because of the size issue. Plus these guys today live, eat, and breath this stuff. They've seen it all.
they can also take a punch with the best of them too .
I saw a documentary on Andre not too long ago. Turns out that the old WWF stats of him being 7'4" 500lbs was a fabrication. When Vince did the interviews with him, Andre actually stood on a box to make him look bigger than he was. His real stats were more like 7', 400 lbs but his huge head made him look alot bigger. If you look at some old footage, Andre and Big John Stud stood eye to eye in the ring and BJS was listed at 6'11". On top of that in that same documentary it was said that Andre could put away in excess of 70 beers in a sitting, not exactly world class athlete material.
BigDyl said:
this guy is so far from reality its starting to be not funny,,who would win in this fight bigdyl mike tyson in his prime or jet li??? watch his answer people and u will see where im comming from
