look at royce in his prime . brazillion ju jitsu against huge guys and he would won everytime(with the exeption to matt hughes of course) . I am not saying he beat the crap the guys but he choked all of them out .
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Andre the giant vs Bruce Lee
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largepkg said:
When I gave the Sapp example I meant it more as a body to body comparison.
I am going to check a bit later when I get home, but I believe that his size was greatly exaggerated by the WWF. I think I heard about something like that. I have seen 500 pound men and they are not as "thin" as Andre was.
Also the 7'4" height, I have heard, was exaggerated also. I will check on this and see if I am talking out of my ass or if in fact this is true.
Back to Sapp, what I meant was that Sapp, supposedly is in good shape and is fast. I say supposedly because he trains for MMA and K1. Andre was a guy that most of his wrestling life lived in pain. Due to his problem (having to do with his size) his joints deteriorated at a younger age than normal people. You have to give the guy a lot of credit because he did "play in pain" and was without a doubt a credit to sports entertainment because of his dedication and ability to, while hurting badly, put up a great show. Anyway, shape...Andre was not in shape to fight anyone in my opinion. Sure, all he had to do was catch you, but the problem there is catching you.
Lee today may have had a chance with some, but not all of the mma fighters out there. Why do I say that? Weight classes.
I think he would be no more than a .500 fighter, but he may have some success due to his charisma (when I say success I not only mean fighting, but also selling himself). Also, he was very dedicated different martial arts specially to his style Jeet Kun Do (please someone correct my spelling). If he had that sort of a dedication then, why would he not be able to take on many of the mainstream mma fighters of today? One thing working against him is that he was also very stubborn. Would he try to learn jiu jitsu? Sambo? Wrestling? Maybe, but I particularly don't think so, I think he'd be like any other fighter who thinks his style is superior and gets a rude awakening when he fights the higher eschelon fighters. That, I believe would be his dowfall.
largepkg said:
Ever heard of an arm bar? Thought not.
aceshigh said:
Mike Tyson. What's your point?
Royce in reality was a great ground guy in his prime. He was a master at using that ghee (spelling please) of his to choke and not be choked at the same time. He should never have tried to come back against Hughes. It wasn't even a fight. I felt sad to see that, since he looked more like he was manhandled by Hughes, a guy his size, when he used to fight guys bigger than him. Oh, and notice, no ghee, then again, I am not sure if he's been wearing it in his latest fights before his debacle agains Hughes......seth042280 said:
seth042280 said:
You can't even spell that shit correctly, nor do you realize royce isn't even that great at jiu jitsu compared to top MMA fighters. Although, you are still making my point.
BigDyl said:
I was trying to help you get your point across because I agreed with you and you still bash me? you really are a jack ass .
seth042280 said:
Ok, sorry, it just was annoying how it was spelled, lol.
I think if Bruce were alive today the world of MMA would be alot different. Jeet Kune Do was just that a mix of martial arts, he was even looking at arts such as fencing for better ways of self defense.largepkg said:
Why people think Bruce Lee is so great? I thought he was only an actor.
Vieope said:
True Story, which is why Helio Gracie would have pwned him.
largepkg said:
Same here, as I said earlier, I don't think he'd fare well against the top MMA competition....
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Most UFC fighters are crap. They all play to much defense on the ground. I've almost never seen a top UFC fighter go for a submission from on bottom. Watch someone like Hickson Gracie. Even when he's on bottom he submits people. Pride Fighters are 10x the fighters that UFC fighters are. Chuck Lidell is like a street fighter. All people do in the UFC on bottom is go into guard, and try and lock the other fighters head down into their body. My Dad has been practicing MMA for 10 years now, and what I've learned from him is valuable, but it's so much more complicated then the fighters on UFC make it look. I'm almost inclined to think that they ask most of their fighters to try and keep it standing up. UFC fights last way to long. Pride fights to for that matter. I think it's more show then anything. Real Jiu Jitsu masters ( as their advertised as ) will submit you within the first 20-30 sec of the fight. One mistake by either fighter and it should be over.
JordanMang said:
I actually agree with that.
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JordanMang said:
Damn, I think 50%-75% of the fights I've seen in both the UFC and PRIDE, someone goes for triangle from guard. Dunno what you been watching. I've also even seen armbar attempts from guard and guillotine chokes.
JordanMang said:
Ummm, that's why it's called a Mixed Martial Arts competition and not a Jiu Jitsu competition.
And it's kinda hard to submit someone in 20-30 seconds when a flying knee is making it's way through your septum.
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FatCatMC said:Ummm, that's why it's called a Mixed Martial Arts competition and not a Jiu Jitsu competition.
And it's kinda hard to submit someone in 20-30 seconds when a flying knee is making it's way through your septum.
Agreed. That's why someone who is not good on the ground will do anything to get away from a fighter who is nasty at JJ. Anyone see the Jorge Gurgel fight on the last fight night on spike? Homenick literally ran away from him to avoid going to the ground and by doing so ended up winning the decision because of his superior standup.
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Goodfella9783 said:
Out of all of the more recent UFC fights I've seen I watched 1 guy go for a triangle from guard and that was on Ulimate Fighter ( 3 ) , and I've never seen a guillotine ( as someone posted ) their's a thing called a knee. Also while armbars are used pretty often a lot of fighters don't attempt them because if the other fighter knows what's he doing he'll be able to counter it. And you can talk about knees all you want, but any guy who gets close enough to lock up Muy Thai style ( which is needed to make a good knee and not a lucky hit ) is gonna get a hand broken by any good Jiu Jitsu fighter. I could careless how good at Muy Thai or "mixed martial arts" you are. If you give me a arm I'm braking it. I don't swing with kids ( I'm 6'3, 270 ), and I know better then to let a lucky hit to the jaw or nose rock me. I end fights as fast as possible. If someone gets inside of my arms ( I have long arms ), they're getting a broken knee cap. Period. Pride Fights and UFC fights are show. Skill is invovled, but we have to remember they're not getting payed to make it a 20 second fight.
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BigDyl said:
Fedor looks a lot like a street brawler more then anything. He's got great skill, but mainly an iron chin and killer instinct. You can't teach that. You're born with it or it's developed over a serious of many fights. At this point I think Fedor wins more fights on intimidation then anything. Not many people would step into the ring with him at this point.
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JordanMang said:
What does that even mean? I've seen countless guillotines work from guard and half guard. Doesn't mean they have to finish with it, it can still be effective.
You're pretty confident. But it's not up to you whether or not a hit to the jaw or nose will rock you. It depends on your structure, genetics and who is throwing the punch. You are considered heavier than a heavy weight in the UFC I think if you're 270. But I'm pretty sure a hard shot to your jaw by dudes like Sylvia, Wanderlei Silva and Cro Cop would do more than just rock you.
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I don't know where you got that information, but it hasn't much to do with structure or genetics. If you get hit in the jaw or nose correclty it sends a signal to your brain to shut down, and you're out. Period, no genetics, nothing. Good night, good fight. And I'm talking about your average joe. And not about professional fighters. I think your mis-understood. I don't let kids swing at me; I take it to the ground. That way no punch is going to rock me.
