Another reason obama NEEDS to be a forgotten memory.

[NVRBDR]

A group of young illegal immigrants in Phoenix was preparing for a rally on Wednesday evening to celebrate the first day they were allowed to apply for relief from deportation and a two-year work permit under President Barack Obama's deferred action plan. But a half-hour before the 5 p.m. rally was to begin, a young member of the Arizona Dream Act Coalition started crying. "Guys, we have really bad news," she said, according to another activist, Erika Andiola, who was there.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer had released a strongly worded executive order preventing deferred action recipients from obtaining driver's licenses or any other unspecified "public benefits" in her state, renewing her public spat with the White House over illegal immigration.

The celebration stopped. Instead, Andiola and 100 other people turned their rally into a march to the Capitol to protest the move, and about 30 people stayed overnight.

Brewer writes in the order that as many as 80,000 young people in Arizona could benefit from the new status, which gives young illegal immigrants under age 31 who came to the country as children relief from deportation and a two-year work permit. Brewer notes that the deferred action status does not make its recipients legal immigrants per se; it's more a limbo state where the immigrants are now not deportable and legally able to work but are not progressing toward a green card or other permanent legal status.

Even so, the federal government says immigrants in this category should be allowed to have a driver's license under the REAL ID Act passed in 2005. But states can opt out of the REAL ID Act's requirements for a variety of reasons, and more than a dozen have done so. On a conference call with reporters earlier this week, an Obama administration official said it is up to states' leadership whether to allow deferred action recipients to apply for driver's licenses or for in-state tuition at public colleges. (A handful of states already grant in-state tuition to residents regardless of immigration status.) "DHS doesn't comment on state specific matters," agency spokesman Peter Boogaard said in a statement on Thursday.

Brewer has decided no to both, writing in the order that providing any benefits to the young people would have "significant and lasting effects on the Arizona budget."
But immigrant rights groups counter that it makes no sense to give young people the right to legally work but prevent them from legally driving to their jobs, and they are encouraging people to pressure states to allow them this privilege.

"We're very concerned at what impact this could have across the country," said Oklahoma City, Okla., immigration lawyer Doug Stump.

So far, it's unclear how many states might follow Brewer's lead, and no governor has yet announced that he or she will do so. Some states, including Alabama, already appear not to provide driver's licenses to deferred action recipients, instead requiring a green card from immigrants who want to drive. But until Wednesday, Arizona accepted the work permits deferred action recipients will receiveas documentation to apply for a license.

Jan Brewer denies deferred action recipients drivers

I applaud his humanitarian effort, even though it is a "ploy for votes" as it is clever, but it is un-constitutional, therefore it's another count against him.

 

[Zaphod]

Please explain how it is unconstitutional.

 

[hypo_glycemic]

Please explain how it is unconstitutional.

This^^ without google!

 

[NVRBDR]

MR. RAMOS: Mr. President, my question will be as follows: With an executive order, could you be able to stop deportations of the students? And if that's so, that links to another of the questions that we have received through univision.com. We have received hundreds, thousand, all related to immigration and the students. Kay Tomar (ph) through univision.com told us -- I'm reading -- "What if at least you grant temporary protective status, TPS, to undocumented students? If the answer is yes, when? And if no, why not?"

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed -- and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we've got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch's job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.

That does not mean, though, that we can't make decisions, for example, to emphasize enforcement on those who've engaged in criminal activity. It also doesn't mean that we can't strongly advocate and propose legislation that would change the law in order to make it more fair, more just, and ultimately would help young people who are here trying to do the right thing and whose talents we want to embrace in order to succeed as a country. (Applause.)

"He ignored the constitution and went around congress", again.
​

 

[allskillz20]

TLDR but obama I disagree on obama on immigration, but everything else i dont mind.

 

[secdrl]

God Bless Arizona. God Bless Jan Brewer.

 

[Zaphod]

MR. RAMOS: Mr. President, my question will be as follows: With an executive order, could you be able to stop deportations of the students? And if that's so, that links to another of the questions that we have received through univision.com. We have received hundreds, thousand, all related to immigration and the students. Kay Tomar (ph) through univision.com told us -- I'm reading -- "What if at least you grant temporary protective status, TPS, to undocumented students? If the answer is yes, when? And if no, why not?"

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed -- and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we've got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch's job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.

That does not mean, though, that we can't make decisions, for example, to emphasize enforcement on those who've engaged in criminal activity. It also doesn't mean that we can't strongly advocate and propose legislation that would change the law in order to make it more fair, more just, and ultimately would help young people who are here trying to do the right thing and whose talents we want to embrace in order to succeed as a country. (Applause.)

"He ignored the constitution and went around congress", again.
​

Not at all. Executive orders are used by the president to tell various agencies what to do. This particular order was given to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. It isn't law of the land. Although executive orders are indeed used to create law, particularly when congress can't make up their minds how they want to do something so the executive orders are used in place of congressional bills.

In other words this is not unconstitutional. In no way, shape or form.

 

[NVRBDR]

Can you show me where in the constitution you found that^^^ I know executive orders have been around hundreds of years, I don't find it in the constitution... The president may not introduce new law, his primary function is ensure all US laws are carried out and federal government is run effectively. Congress makes law, president maintains veto and approval power over bills that re approved by the legislature.

 

[LAM]

The Amnesty Effect: Evidence from the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act
http://www.american.edu/spa/publicpurpose/upload/2011-Public-Purpose-Amnesty-Effect.pdf

Pulling Up the Ladder
The Anti-Immigrant Backlash
PublicEye.org - The Website of Political Research Associates

Between 1983 and 1995, the bottom 40 percent of households lost 80 percent of their net worth, adjusted for inflation, while the top 1 percent increased theirs by 17 percent. In 1999 even after nine years of economic growth, average workers were still earning less, adjusting for inflation, than in 1970. In contrast, the top 1 percent of households have more wealth than the entire bottom 95 percent (Collins, Leondar-Wright, and Sklar 1999). Displaced workers, along with others who fear for their livelihood, are fertile ground in which to sow anti-immigrant sentiment, since angry and frustrated people often seek some target on which to blame their problems. The Right wing has organized and manipulated such anger and resentment, turned it away from corporations, and directed it against the government, decrying high taxes and the inability of the state to solve problems such as social deterioration, homelessness, crime, and violence. In addition to the target of "failed liberal policies," immigrants make a convenient and tangible target for people's anger. Racial prejudice is often an encoded part of the message.

Free Market Fantasies: Capitalism in the Real World, by Noam Chomsky (talk delivered at Harvard University)
Free Market Fantasies: Capitalism in the Real World, by Noam Chomsky (talk delivered at Harvard University)

How Free Is the "Free Market"? - Jeffrey A. Tucker - Mises Daily
How Free Is the "Free Market"? - Jeffrey A. Tucker - Mises Daily


Job Creation and Our Diminished Economic Engine: The Middle Class ? Art on Issues


http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/o...ion-bush-tax-cuts-your-state.html#post2912787

 

[heckler7]

Obama obviously in a move to secure more minority votes pulls this stunt. Republicans in a move to obviously lose more minority votes counters with an equally stupid move. its over, Obama has it in the bag. Its like the republicans dont even try anymore.

 

[Zaphod]

Can you show me where in the constitution you found that^^^ I know executive orders have been around hundreds of years, I don't find it in the constitution... The president may not introduce new law, his primary function is ensure all US laws are carried out and federal government is run effectively. Congress makes law, president maintains veto and approval power over bills that re approved by the legislature.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution grants the president a vague privilege of making executive orders. There is a lot of history behind these. A lot. There are even cases in which congress was shot down by the Supreme Court when they attempted to reverse some executive orders.

 

[NoviceAAS]

Executive orders like this have been done by presidents for years, theres also PD presidential directives, cying about the constitution now is like showing up to the pig roast when everythings been eaten. Where were all these strict constitutionalists 10 or more years ago.
The fact is under Obama and several presidents before him Presidential power has been expanding, you think Romney will give it all back ? BUWAHAHAHA fucking HA

 

[LAM]

Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution grants the president a vague privilege of making executive orders. There is a lot of history behind these. A lot. There are even cases in which congress was shot down by the Supreme Court when they attempted to reverse some executive orders.

executive power: an overview
Executive power | Cornell Law School - Legal Information Institute (LII)

The president:

* is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. He or she has the power to call into service the state units of the National Guard, and in times of emergency may be given the power by Congress to manage national security or the economy.

* has the power make treaties with Senate approval. He or she can also receive ambassadors and work with leaders of other nations.

* is responsible for nominating the heads of governmental departments, which the Senate must then approve. In addition, the president nominates judges to federal courts and justices to the United States Supreme Court.

* can issue executive orders, which have the force of law but do not have to be approved by congress.

* can issue pardons for federal offenses.

* can convene Congress for special sessions.

* can veto legislation approved by Congress. However, the veto is limited. It is not a line-item veto, meaning that he or she cannot veto only specific parts of legislation, and it can be overridden by a two-thirds vote by Congress.

* delivers a State of the Union address annually to a joint session of Congress.

 

[GearsMcGilf]

Obama obviously in a move to secure more minority votes pulls this stunt. Republicans in a move to obviously lose more minority votes counters with an equally stupid move. its over, Obama has it in the bag. Its like the republicans dont even try anymore.

Not exactly. The spics are going to vote democrat to the tune of about 3/4 no matter what the GOP does. To say that losing minority votes seals ot for Barry is about like saying that if Romney doesn't speak before the NAACP, he's going to lose black votes. You can't lose what you never had. Hopefully, this EO will expire in January.

 

[irish_2003]

this is doing nothing but instigating future race riots and race wars...

 

[Standard Donkey]

you liberals can see the illegal in illegal immigrant right?


"how is this unconstitutional? herp"

 

[LAM]

Not exactly. The spics are going to vote democrat to the tune of about 3/4 no matter what the GOP does. To say that losing minority votes seals ot for Barry is about like saying that if Romney doesn't speak before the NAACP, he's going to lose black votes. You can't lose what you never had. Hopefully, this EO will expire in January.

and that matters why exactly? since the electoral college that actually picks the POTUS

 

[LAM]

you liberals can see the illegal in illegal immigrant right?

"how is this unconstitutional? herp"

and it was republican policy via the 1986 Immigration and Control Act that gave amnesty to millions of illegals opening up the floodgates with weak policy that could not be enforced in reality. as it was the god of the right Reagan that designed NAFTA and wanted those open borders, he used to talk about it in his speeches.

so since the 80's we have the right "talking" about illegal immigration but when they have control of the White House, they do nothing in reality. since 1981 the GOP has had control of the White House for 20 of the past 31 years and they have done nothing except open up the flood gates with immigration reform that not only gave amnesty to millions but lacked the proper funding to be effective. and the effects of this are to pit those in the lower income quintiles against the global economy via liberalization of labor via free trade agreements, illegal immigrants from the southern boarder and the cheap labor of the prison industrial complex.

just like with the budget, they talk and whine about balanced budgets but the GOP hasn't passed a balanced budget when in control of the White House since Eisenhower in 55-56.

 

[Little Wing]

George W. Romney, Mitt's dad, was born in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child.

Questions were occasionally asked about George Romney's eligibility to run for President due to his birth in Mexico, given the ambiguity in the United States Constitution over the phrase "natural-born citizen".His Mormon paternal grandfather and his three wives had fled to Mexico in 1886, but none of them ever relinquished U.S. citizenship. Romney's parents chose U.S. citizenship for their children, including George. The family fled Mexico and came to the United States in 1912 during the Mexican Revolution.

In the United States, G. Romney grew up in humble circumstances. The family subsisted with other Mormon refugees on government relief in El Paso, Texas for a few months before moving to Los Angeles, California, where Gaskell Romney worked as a carpenter. In kindergarten, other children mocked Romney's national origin by calling him "Mex".


George W. Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Little Wing]

so Mitt's family ran to mexico when things were tough here, and ran here when things got tough there... but he's going to be tough on those damned illegal immigrants. gotcha

 

[Intense]

Obama obviously in a move to secure more minority votes pulls this stunt. Republicans in a move to obviously lose more minority votes counters with an equally stupid move. its over, Obama has it in the bag. Its like the republicans dont even try anymore.

Too many wack job liberals to even try.

George W. Romney,

Mitt's dad, was born in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child.

Questions were occasionally asked about George Romney's eligibility to run for President due to his birth in Mexico, given the ambiguity in the United States Constitution over the phrase "natural-born citizen".His Mormon paternal grandfather and his three wives had fled to Mexico in 1886, but none of them ever relinquished U.S. citizenship. Romney's parents chose U.S. citizenship for their children, including George. The family fled Mexico and came to the United States in 1912 during the Mexican Revolution.

In the United States, G. Romney grew up in humble circumstances. The family subsisted with other Mormon refugees on government relief in El Paso, Texas for a few months before moving to Los Angeles, California, where Gaskell Romney worked as a carpenter. In kindergarten, other children mocked Romney's national origin by calling him "Mex".


George W. Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah....his dad. Obama wasnt even born in the US

 

[maniclion]

MR. RAMOS: Mr. President, my question will be as follows: With an executive order, could you be able to stop deportations of the students? And if that's so, that links to another of the questions that we have received through univision.com. We have received hundreds, thousand, all related to immigration and the students. Kay Tomar (ph) through univision.com told us -- I'm reading -- "What if at least you grant temporary protective status, TPS, to undocumented students? If the answer is yes, when? And if no, why not?"
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.
With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed -- and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we've got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch's job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.
There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.
That does not mean, though, that we can't make decisions, for example, to emphasize enforcement on those who've engaged in criminal activity. It also doesn't mean that we can't strongly advocate and propose legislation that would change the law in order to make it more fair, more just, and ultimately would help young people who are here trying to do the right thing and whose talents we want to embrace in order to succeed as a country. (Applause.)

"He ignored the constitution and went around congress", again.
​

He gave a rather plain English statement above saying that it is the executive branches duty to decide the priority of enforcement, so they aren't ignoring any laws. States and certain federal agencies will still do what they want just like when Obama said marijuana enforcement should be low priority and the DEA still kept going after med. MJ centers...

 

[NVRBDR]

Not at all. Executive orders are used by the president to tell various agencies what to do. This particular order was given to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. It isn't law of the land. Although executive orders are indeed used to create law, particularly when congress can't make up their minds how they want to do something so the executive orders are used in place of congressional bills.

In other words this is not unconstitutional. In no way, shape or form.

he went around existing laws without congressional approval, show me in the constitution where the potus has that power.

 

[DOMS]

Illegals, especially those from third-world countries, should have only one right: to get their ass booted out of the country as soon as possible.

 

[hoyle21]

Illegals, especially those from third-world countries, should have only one right: to get their ass booted out of the country as soon as possible.

I'm sitting in that boat and rowing fast as I can. I don't believe Romney will be any different than Obama on this issue though.

 

[DOMS]

I'm sitting in that boat and rowing fast as I can. I don't believe Romney will be any different than Obama on this issue though.

Romney will be at least slightly better than Obama. Obama is a Democrat; and Democrats really, really like sucking the minority cock. It's practically their number one trait.

 

[GearsMcGilf]

Let's take a look at Romney's background and compare it to the community organizer turned back bencher in the Illinios Senate.

• His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan

• He was Raised in: Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

• He is Married to: Ann Romney since 1969; they have five children

• Education: B.A. From Brigham Young University , J.D. And M.B.A. From Harvard University

Working Background:

• After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

• After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.

• In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States .

• In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

• He was President and C.E.O. Of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

• In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

Some Interesting Fact about Romney:

• Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts , turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

• Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

• He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

• He was an unpaid intern in his dad?s governor?s office for eight years.

• He was an unpaid bishop and stake president of his church for ten years.

• He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

• He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

• He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Obama was a community organizer who won by smearing his opponent, who eventually dropped out after Obama successfully smeared him over his divorce. He then served a portion of his one term in the US Senate where he often voted present, then he's runnig for president. WTF? We elected him, so I reckon we got what we deserved. He may very well get a 2nd term. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

 

[GearsMcGilf]

That being said. I seriously doubt Romney will be a whole lot different on immigration than Barry or W. Both side want to court the spic vote.

 

[Standard Donkey]

and it was republican policy via the 1986 Immigration and Control Act that gave amnesty to millions of illegals opening up the floodgates with weak policy that could not be enforced in reality. as it was the god of the right Reagan that designed NAFTA and wanted those open borders, he used to talk about it in his speeches.

so since the 80's we have the right "talking" about illegal immigration but when they have control of the White House, they do nothing in reality. since 1981 the GOP has had control of the White House for 20 of the past 31 years and they have done nothing except open up the flood gates with immigration reform that not only gave amnesty to millions but lacked the proper funding to be effective. and the effects of this are to pit those in the lower income quintiles against the global economy via liberalization of labor via free trade agreements, illegal immigrants from the southern boarder and the cheap labor of the prison industrial complex.

just like with the budget, they talk and whine about balanced budgets but the GOP hasn't passed a balanced budget when in control of the White House since Eisenhower in 55-56.

doesnt answer the question but alright

 

[NVRBDR]

Let's take a look at Romney's background and compare it to the community organizer turned back bencher in the Illinios Senate.

• His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan

• He was Raised in: Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

• He is Married to: Ann Romney since 1969; they have five children

• Education: B.A. From Brigham Young University , J.D. And M.B.A. From Harvard University

Working Background:

• After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

• After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.

• In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States .

• In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

• He was President and C.E.O. Of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

• In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

Some Interesting Fact about Romney:

• Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts , turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

• Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

• He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

• He was an unpaid intern in his dad?s governor?s office for eight years.

• He was an unpaid bishop and stake president of his church for ten years.

• He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

• He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

• He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Obama was a community organizer who won by smearing his opponent, who eventually dropped out after Obama successfully smeared him over his divorce. He then served a portion of his one term in the US Senate where he often voted present, then he's runnig for president. WTF? We elected him, so I reckon we got what we deserved. He may very well get a 2nd term. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

"shock and awe", just a different kind.