atheist and proud

[Bilal123]

Does atheism have golden rule? If it has golden rule, then most of atheists here are taliban of atheism.

Really? Like the Taliban huh? How can you compare people on this forum to people who beat women in the middle of the streets, have executions in soccer stadiums, and kill people who leave their faith?

Like I said in some other thread, you seem like a nice person, but your logic baffles me sometimes.

 

[KelJu]

So how am I supposed to spell protein from now on?

Never rely on spelling rules for the English language, since the language doesn't seem to fucking want to follow it's own god damn rules...you know, kind of like a christian!

 

[MDR]

Really? Like the Taliban huh? How can you compare people on this forum to people who beat women in the middle of the streets, have executions in soccer stadiums, and kill people who leave their faith?

Like I said in some other thread, you seem like a nice person, but your logic baffles me sometimes.

I'd have to agree. Comparing people who do not believe in god to the taliban seems a bit extreme, to say the least.

 

[dgp]

Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.
I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose.

 

[Chubby]

Really? Like the Taliban huh? How can you compare people on this forum to people who beat women in the middle of the streets, have executions in soccer stadiums, and kill people who leave their faith?

Like I said in some other thread, you seem like a nice person, but your logic baffles me sometimes.

Please don't take it literally. Taliban means extremist.
For example:
Buddhist Taliban = Buddhist extremist
Christian Taliban = Christian extremist
Jewish Taliban = Jewish extremist
I am calling them extremist because they humiliated an innocent woman on the other section of this forum, then they called it 'poking fun'. So I am assuming either there is golden rule for atheist or these people are extremist atheists. To me humiliating other people is never a fun.

 

[Bilal123]

Please don't take it literally. Taliban means extremist.
For example:
Buddhist Taliban = Buddhist extremist
Christian Taliban = Christian extremist
Jewish Taliban = Jewish extremist
I am calling them extremist because they humiliated an innocent woman on the other section of this forum, then they called it 'poking fun'. So I am assuming either there is golden rule for atheist or these people are extremist atheists. To me humiliating other people is never a fun.

But that has nothing to do with their religion (or lack therof). That's just what happens when you have type A personalities in the same place at the same time. People talk crap about other people for crying out loud!

You need thicker skin.

 

[Chubby]

But that has nothing to do with their religion (or lack therof). That's just what happens when you have type A personalities in the same place at the same time. People talk crap about other people for crying out loud!

You need thicker skin.

It is more than talking crap. If you visited that thread, you'll know.

 

[l69lou]

Why do you assume that someone that doesn't accept jesus is a lost soul? 70% of the world is nonchristian and most of them do perfectly fine.

The reason that one who rejects Jesus as the Christ is lost in his sins is that Jesus Himself clearly stated that to be the case. " I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father execpt through me." John 14:6. " For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."John 3 :16 Why do you suppose that God sent His only Son to leave the throne of Heaven to be insulted, ridiculed ,tortured and murdered on a crucifiction cross? If we already had ways to come to God and fix this broken relationship between us why would God have gave His son ? Because there was no other way ! God loves you that much ! You have the freedom and choice to believe Christ and recieve that love or to reject it but let's be clear on the message. I have NO animosity to anyone who has not recieved this incredible love relationship yet and I defend your right to believe as you choose. I was there for many years. But the truth remains that Jesus came and lived a perfect life and though he had no sin of his own He took yours and mine on himself on the cross to ransom us back to God and after this life it is before Him that we shall stand and give an account of our life. Thankyou for this chance to share this with you guys!

 

[exphys88]

The reason that one who rejects Jesus as the Christ is lost in his sins is that Jesus Himself clearly stated that to be the case. " I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father execpt through me." John 14:6. " For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."John 3 :16 Why do you suppose that God sent His only Son to leave the throne of Heaven to be insulted, ridiculed ,tortured and murdered on a crucifiction cross? If we already had ways to come to God and fix this broken relationship between us why would God have gave His son ? Because there was no other way ! God loves you that much ! You have the freedom and choice to believe Christ and recieve that love or to reject it but let's be clear on the message. I have NO animosity to anyone who has not recieved this incredible love relationship yet and I defend your right to believe as you choose. I was there for many years. But the truth remains that Jesus came and lived a perfect life and though he had no sin of his own He took yours and mine on himself on the cross to ransom us back to God and after this life it is before Him that we shall stand and give an account of our life. Thankyou for this chance to share this with you guys!

Fairy tale. There are no talking snakes, virgin births, resurrections or talking burning bushes. It's time to grow up and start thinking like an adult.

 

[dgp]

^^^I second that^^^

 

[withoutrulers]

Please don't take it literally. Taliban means extremist.
For example:
Buddhist Taliban = Buddhist extremist
Christian Taliban = Christian extremist
Jewish Taliban = Jewish extremist
I am calling them extremist because they humiliated an innocent woman on the other section of this forum, then they called it 'poking fun'. So I am assuming either there is golden rule for atheist or these people are extremist atheists. To me humiliating other people is never a fun.

It was only atheists mocking ol' grins? I'm pretty sure secdri has professed faith in a god some where on here before. He was the op remember? You seem like someone holding onto a christian misnomer about atheism: Without God there is only chaos and hedonism. You also said you believe in humanism, which is essentially secular morality. You've argued against yourself.

 

[MDR]

Please don't take it literally. Taliban means extremist.
For example:
Buddhist Taliban = Buddhist extremist
Christian Taliban = Christian extremist
Jewish Taliban = Jewish extremist
I am calling them extremist because they humiliated an innocent woman on the other section of this forum, then they called it 'poking fun'. So I am assuming either there is golden rule for atheist or these people are extremist atheists. To me humiliating other people is never a fun.

The Taliban, by definition refers to a Muslim fundamentalist group in Afghanistan. There is no such thing as a christian taliban or a buddhist taliban or a jewish taliban. The word has a specific origin and meaning. the Taliban is known for extremism, but the word taliban is not synonymous with extremist. Sorry to hear someone got humiliated, but you should not tar every atheist on this forum with the same brush, and the use of the word Taliban is incendiary.














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[GFR]

I just rubbed one out

 

[Vibrant]

It is more than talking crap. If you visited that thread, you'll know.

jesus christ... oops wrong thread to say that, let me try again. God fucking damn it.... damn wrong again.... what was i trying to say? oh yeah, THIS IS FUCKING ANYTHING GOES!!!

I dont think you understand the meaning of anything goes.

 

[BP2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a94QqGVizBc&feature=related

 

[BillHicksFan]

I've never understood why people believe atheists have no morals, and to claim that they need to follow ancient text to truly know how to behave is an insult to the good part of humanity.


There's a common theme among all religions which defines how we should behave however if you look up the dictionary definition of "humane" you will also find it there in brief and minus the bigotry.

It isn't religion that produces kind people. Some people are naturally kind and some people are mean hearted despite what beliefs they hold.

As for the childish stories in the bible, I believe they really happened and that Moses was tripping balls when he spoke to that burning bush.
Humans have been using psychedelics for religious purposes since the dawn of time so if you are able to look at these stories from a perspective that was a result of an altered state of consciousness then they can make perfect sense.

Mystical and religious experiences are common and well documented with many natural substances that have long been considered sacred.
In Hinduism, the cow is sacred because magic mushrooms would grow on cow shit.

There's a lot that can be learned from altered states however the pompous intellectuals will dismiss these experiences as pure intoxication or just a change in brain chemistry. They are usually the people who have never touched psychedelics in their life because they think they know better.

I've had many level 5 experiences and unless you've had one they are impossible to understand.
vvv
Psychedelic experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[exphys88]

I've never understood why people believe atheists have no morals, and to claim that they need to follow ancient text to truly know how to behave is an insult to the good part of humanity.


There's a common theme among all religions which defines how we should behave however if you look up the dictionary definition of "humane" you will also find it there in brief and minus the bigotry.

It isn't religion that produces kind people. Some people are naturally kind and some people are mean hearted despite what beliefs they hold.

As for the childish stories in the bible, I believe they really happened and that Moses was tripping balls when he spoke to that burning bush.
Humans have been using psychedelics for religious purposes since the dawn of time so if you are able to look at these stories from a perspective that was a result of an altered state of consciousness then they can make perfect sense.

Mystical and religious experiences are common and well documented with many natural substances that have long been considered sacred.
In Hinduism, the cow is sacred because magic mushrooms would grow on cow shit.

There's a lot that can be learned from altered states however the pompous intellectuals will dismiss these experiences as pure intoxication or just a change in brain chemistry. They are usually the people who have never touched psychedelics in their life because they think they know better.

I've had many level 5 experiences and unless you've had one they are impossible to understand.
vvv
Psychedelic experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have literally had over 50 psychedelic experiences and have never seen something that wasn't there. I've seen objects "breath" and take on different colors, but I've never seen green monsters or something like that

 

[BillHicksFan]

The mind itself along with the ego can create a major barrier. Complete sensory deprivation in a meditation-like state, the willingness to let go of your ego and preconceived beliefs/thoughts, plus a high dose of psilocybin and you'll be wired for sound in no time.

Many people simply shut off any significant experience with distractions both internal and external.

 

[MDR]

The mind itself along with the ego can create a major barrier. Complete sensory deprivation in a meditation-like state, the willingness to let go of your ego and preconceived beliefs/thoughts, plus a high dose of psilocybin and you'll be wired for sound in no time.

Many people simply shut off any significant experience with distractions both internal and external.

I've also had many experiences with mushrooms and LSD. I think the propensity for visual hallucinations is limitless, not to mention the auditory and various additional sensory perception changes that are possible. Always felt a kind of enrichment after each experience. Never had anything close to a "bad trip."

 

[withoutrulers]

The mind itself along with the ego can create a major barrier. Complete sensory deprivation in a meditation-like state, the willingness to let go of your ego and preconceived beliefs/thoughts, plus a high dose of psilocybin and you'll be wired for sound in no time.

Many people simply shut off any significant experience with distractions both internal and external.

Have you ever gone into a sensory deprivation tank? I've seen Joe Rogan talking about it being pretty intense. I bet being in the tank on LSD would be life altering.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Have you ever gone into a sensory deprivation tank? I've seen Joe Rogan talking about it being pretty intense. I bet being in the tank on LSD would be life altering.

I haven't yet however it's something that I plan to do as it interests me a lot. Ive listened to Joe speak about it many times and it sound awesome. The closest tank is 180 miles from where I live but it's only a 2.5 hour drive.

Mushrooms or LSD would definitely be a must and I'd try to stay in there for at least 2 hours.

I can only begin to imagine what it will be like.

 

[Chubby]

The Taliban, by definition refers to a Muslim fundamentalist group in Afghanistan. There is no such thing as a christian taliban or a buddhist taliban or a jewish taliban. The word has a specific origin and meaning. the Taliban is known for extremism, but the word taliban is not synonymous with extremist. Sorry to hear someone got humiliated, but you should not tar every atheist on this forum with the same brush, and the use of the word Taliban is incendiary.

These are invented words that I saw people using them to discribe some religious extremist on some other forum. Here are some more example of invented words to discribe extremist: Soup Nazi, moral nazi, grammar nazi and etc.

There are rotten tomatoes in every religion and societies. I am not saying all the atheists are extremist.

 

[exphys88]

I once, while on mushrooms was at Disneyland and on "it's a small world" ride and it broke down for an hour and a half and I was stuck inside it with the little statues dancing and the music would periodically turn on and off. There were 3 of us on the boat w a whole family. The parents were yelling at the kids the whole time, while we just sat there in total shock that it was happening. We literally didn't say one word the entire time.

 

[Chubby]

I've never understood why people believe atheists have no morals, and to claim that they need to follow ancient text to truly know how to behave is an insult to the good part of humanity.


There's a common theme among all religions which defines how we should behave however if you look up the dictionary definition of "humane" you will also find it there in brief and minus the bigotry.

It isn't religion that produces kind people. Some people are naturally kind and some people are mean hearted despite what beliefs they hold.

As for the childish stories in the bible, I believe they really happened and that Moses was tripping balls when he spoke to that burning bush.
Humans have been using psychedelics for religious purposes since the dawn of time so if you are able to look at these stories from a perspective that was a result of an altered state of consciousness then they can make perfect sense.

Mystical and religious experiences are common and well documented with many natural substances that have long been considered sacred.
In Hinduism, the cow is sacred because magic mushrooms would grow on cow shit.

There's a lot that can be learned from altered states however the pompous intellectuals will dismiss these experiences as pure intoxication or just a change in brain chemistry. They are usually the people who have never touched psychedelics in their life because they think they know better.

I've had many level 5 experiences and unless you've had one they are impossible to understand.
vvv
Psychedelic experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moral value is not religious value. It is human value.

 

[exphys88]

I've never understood why people believe atheists have no morals, and to claim that they need to follow ancient text to truly know how to behave is an insult to the good part of humanity.


There's a common theme among all religions which defines how we should behave however if you look up the dictionary definition of "humane" you will also find it there in brief and minus the bigotry.

It isn't religion that produces kind people. Some people are naturally kind and some people are mean hearted despite what beliefs they hold.

As for the childish stories in the bible, I believe they really happened and that Moses was tripping balls when he spoke to that burning bush.
Humans have been using psychedelics for religious purposes since the dawn of time so if you are able to look at these stories from a perspective that was a result of an altered state of consciousness then they can make perfect sense.

Mystical and religious experiences are common and well documented with many natural substances that have long been considered sacred.
In Hinduism, the cow is sacred because magic mushrooms would grow on cow shit.

There's a lot that can be learned from altered states however the pompous intellectuals will dismiss these experiences as pure intoxication or just a change in brain chemistry. They are usually the people who have never touched psychedelics in their life because they think they know better.

I've had many level 5 experiences and unless you've had one they are impossible to understand.
vvv
Psychedelic experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you really suggesting that the burning bush was really talking? As if bushes can talk, but we can only hear them on mushrooms? If you believe that than you have to believe in Christianity. I'm sorry, but I think drugs just make us hallucinate, and that schizophrenics don't actually have voices talking to them, they're just ill.

 

[Chubby]

jesus christ... oops wrong thread to say that, let me try again. God fucking damn it.... damn wrong again.... what was i trying to say? oh yeah, THIS IS FUCKING ANYTHING GOES!!!

I dont think you understand the meaning of anything goes.

It means members should enter there at their own risk. It doesn't mean you can drag innocent woman in there against her free will in order to humiliate her.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Are you really suggesting that the burning bush was really talking? As if bushes can talk, but we can only hear them on mushrooms? If you believe that than you have to believe in Christianity. I'm sorry, but I think drugs just make us hallucinate, and that schizophrenics don't actually have voices talking to them, they're just ill.

Im suggesting that if Moses was in fact having a psychedelic experience then yes, in his mind it was communicating and probably with much more clarity than any language could hope to achieve.

If it had a profound and powerful effect on him then how can you say that he didn't experience what he claimed and that it wasn't real to him. "To him" being the key words. Seeing as though you cannot come close to explaining what consciousness is then how can you say that it didn't have some kind of significance?

When I'm peaking in an altered state and communicating with whatever it is that communicates with you while under the influence, then from your perspective I would look like I'm just sitting still with my eyes closed similar to a buddhist in a state of meditation however Im experiencing a completely different state of awareness than you which is very real and I'm probably learning things that conflict with my preconceived beliefs giving me something to reflect upon for many months after to maybe even a lifetime.

I'm as Christian as you would be a Buddhist monk but I cannot deny what these substances can do and what they can provoke within us.

Communication with an all knowing and all loving source of knowledge is common with the use of psilocybin in particular.

It has nothing to do with intelligence. 80% of users of the shroomery (mushroom forum) report mystical experiences yet religion gets beaten down to size on that forum just as it does here. The materialistic views of the atheist don't stand up in reality because the world we live in is not based on material, that's just an illusion and consciousness will never be explained as being a chemical neurological bi-product of brain activity.


Organised religion really has provoked a fundamental knee jerk reaction and it needed to happen but in my opinion we should be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water because at the end of the day, nobody knows shit.

 

[KelJu]

I have literally had over 50 psychedelic experiences and have never seen something that wasn't there. I've seen objects "breath" and take on different colors, but I've never seen green monsters or something like that

Same here. I don't know if other people are lying, or if I am just unique, but I have never had a visual hallucination, and I have eaten 30 mushrooms in one sitting. Colors change, and things seem to move around, but no pink elephants, or purple dinosaurs have graced me with their presence.

On the other hand, I have had auditory hallucination without a single drug in my body just being sleep deprived.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Maybe youre not getting good shit

 

[exphys88]

Would you say the same thing about a schizophrenic who hears voices? A lot if this just sounds like Mumbo jumbo, and really just sounds like sime ideas that are thrown around regarding the mind and hallucinations. If its just happening in his mind, then it's a hallucination and not real.
I remember frying on acid and mushrooms and while walking through the woods my buddy starts to throw up violently for about 10 minutes, then was fine. He's a very religious Christian and to this day swears that he was exorcising a demon. Obviously I think he's an idiot, and try to convince him that maybe it was the 8th of mushrooms and the acid that had something to do with it, but he won't accept it. I don't buy that just because he thinks it was a demon automatically makes it a demon. His intelligence is restrained by his religiousness and nothing else.