Attention Zonaguy.

[Nigeepoo]

For those that want to learn how the human body's metabolic processes work, may I recommend "Metabolism at a Glance" by J.G. Salway, Senior Lecturer in Medical Biochemistry, University of Surrey, Guildford, UK. See Amazon.com: Metabolism at a Glance (At a Glance): Books: Jack Salway
It's the mutt's nuts.

Having advised people on diet & nutrition for about 4 years, I have found three common dietary deficiencies, all of which can adversely affect mental function in one way or another. From examining people's diets, some people have one deficiency, some have two and some have all three.

1) Lack of omega-3 EFAs. I've already posted omega-3 links. I recommend 2g/day of EPA+DHA.

2) Lack of Vitamin D, see Entrez PubMed , Randomized comparison of the effects of the vitamin D3 adequate intake versus 100 mcg (4000 IU) per day on biochemical responses and the wellbeing of patients , Hypovitaminosis D in British adults at age 45 y: nationwide cohort study of dietary and lifestyle predictors -- Hyppönen and Power 85 (3): 860 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and The urgent need to recommend an intake of vitamin D that is effective -- Vieth et al. 85 (3): 649 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
I recommend 20iu/kg bodyweight/day of Vitamin D3, NOT D2.

3) Lack of magnesium. If little raw veg is eaten or if cooked veg is over-boiled, magnesium deficiency is likely. This can cause muscle cramps and/or a stressed-out feeling. I recommend 300mg/day of magnesium amino acid chelate, or 450mg/day of magnesium oxide.

For 6 years, I suffered with 2) and was put on 3 different anti-depressants over the years. I'm on 2,000iu/day of D3 now and fit as a butcher's dog. Salt deficiency is rare as is iodine deficiency, as all table salt is iodised nowadays. Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

I'm sure there are ppl herewith muuch more knowledge than both of us...about one thing or other...
I personally have been qualified and advising ppl in diet exercise and nutritional health since I was 17. I'm now 32.
I knoww you have no idea where I'm coming from and particularly in regard to certain 'anti-health predispositional risks' that elite athletes and b.b.'s face down the track ( unless you'd like to tell us of your time as an elite athlete and such forth) and other things that need to be corrected in their lives to avoid and cater for these types of demands and it is a damming shame that it gets so hard to painlessly help ppl get informed. This is nott stuff most ppl will likely see need for until it becomes pertinnent to themselves. It's a horrible to me that it has to be affter their health and lives collapse first... One can but try.
Que sera.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

I'm sure there are ppl herewith muuch more knowledge than both of us...about one thing or other...
I personally have been qualified and advising ppl in diet exercise and nutritional health since I was 17. I'm now 32.

What qualifications did you have at the age of 17?

I knoww you have no idea where I'm coming from

You got that right, and vice-versa.

and particularly in regard to certain 'anti-health predispositional risks' that elite athletes and b.b.'s face down the track ( unless you'd like to tell us of your time as an elite athlete and such forth)

I'm not an elite athlete, as you well know.

and other things that need to be corrected in their lives to avoid and cater for these types of demands and it is a damming shame that it gets so hard to painlessly help ppl get informed. This is nott stuff most ppl will likely see need for until it becomes pertinnent to themselves. It's a horrible to me that it has to be affter their health and lives collapse first... One can but try. Que sera.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

O.K. To quote from your earlier post:-
"Hypergylcodemia is not a psuedo anything. I discovered the term in the last few weeks while I was trying to find why in my hepatic fulminance i keep nearly ( literally and every few days or so) dyying from metabolic intolerance , fats and most complex carbs kept registering in my body as a nuecrosis. .. or dangerous pathonogen sending me into painful death fits."

Would you care to explain what that's all about? Who diagnosed hepatic fulminance? What are "painful death fits"? Why are you advising others on diet, exercise & nutritional health when your health seems to be extremely poor. Doctor, heal thyself!

I may be unfit by your standards as I don't train, but since I corrected the Vitamin D3 deficiency in March 2007, my physical & mental health have been excellent. Before then, my physical health was good but I was mentally-challenged. So, who's getting it right and who's getting it wrong? Cheers, Nige.

 

[motiv8ed]

oh and Self-praise ( or rather acknowledgement) is a neccessary evil... helps me take care of myself...yep.. all in the NLP..

You a practioner?

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Of course I am. I think anyone who is aware of how they communicate with themselves and what it produces in their lives is. Anthony Robbins and my billionaire uncle are likely mostly to blame for that. It's not a bad thing to be kind to yourself and tell yourself positive things. Much better than beating yourself up anyway.

Nig,
When I was 17 I started with a 'fitness leaders' course and then picked up some basic nutrition and fitness courses and so on and went on from there.

It has been several doctors who have diagnosed me. . and co-incidently since I waas about 17, and most recently one has written me a report saying that if I don't eat in xyz fashion, in lieu of garbage medication I refuse to take, that it's likely I won't have to die from the condition.
I explained that to you here, and the above reason why it was hesitantly, because it was of the context of how fats and sugars effect our bodies and certain processes as they break down.
I am well aware that various ppl around here have certain things that they need to cater for themselves in regard to predispositions of health because of how we've treated our bodies, unbesknownst at the time we were doing it or otherwise. I believe that alot of that is due to and can be avoided or repaired by eating for those specific considerations. I am a huuge fan or eating well for long term health.
In ppl who take alot of supplements or steroids, or even have a long term diet mostly low or free of fats and have a low sugar or carb intake, alot of metaboic and sympathetic systemary issues appear for those ppl down the track. I believe if ppl had more information to plan with better foresite, it could help ppl to have a better quality of life and be able to manage and maintain their fitness and health for longer more effective periods.
I'm sorry if you feel like I'm attacking you because that is not the case.
From your picture I don't neccessarily believe you arre in ideal health and fitness but if you have corrected your owwn most pressing health issues with simple dietary modifications then I salute you for it.
AS far as my owwn health goes, it is Only through eating clean and taking extra health precautions that I avoid my own early death. As it turns out, this leads me to have an abundance of health and energy to burn during fitness pursuits and god knows it might mean I end up living until I'm 120 and exercising likely until my saggy old body is ready to never get up again.
Enough of that anyway. I'm sure we have better ways in life to spend our attentions than to argue so that's all from me.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[motiv8ed]

Of course I am. I think anyone who is aware of how they communicate with themselves and what it produces in their lives is. Anthony Robbins and my billionaire uncle are likely mostly to blame for that. It's not a bad thing to be kind to yourself and tell yourself positive things. Much better than beating yourself up anyway.

Enlightened answer

 

[Nigeepoo]

Nig,
When I was 17 I started with a 'fitness leaders' course and then picked up some basic nutrition and fitness courses and so on and went on from there.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

So your qualifications in the field of diet, nutrition, fitness & lifestyle are....?

I only have a BSc(Hons)Eng at the moment, but I have signed-up for a course by Future Fit Training Ltd (accredited by the UK Nutrition Society) to study for a Nutrition Specialist Diploma. Cheers, Nige.

 

[P-funk]

So your qualifications in the field of diet, nutrition, fitness & lifestyle are....?

I only have a BSc(Hons)Eng at the moment, but I have signed-up for a course by Future Fit Training Ltd (accredited by the UK Nutrition Society) to study for a Nutrition Specialist Diploma. Cheers, Nige.

What sort of licencing does that give you in the UK? Is it similiar to a registered dietician over here? Or is it more comparable to someone who studies human nutrition and becomes a certified nutritionist (with a degree in nutrition)?

good luck.

 

[Nigeepoo]

According to Future Fit:-

"As a Nutrition Specialist, you will be able to provide advice on Nutrition and Weight Management and Sports Nutrition. You could set up Nutrition and Weight Management Clinics on a group or one-to-one basis as well as providing advice to Sports Clubs and teams."

It's better than being a Nutritionist (which anyone in the UK can be without qualifications) but not as good as being a Registered Dietitian. I won't have any letters after my name, but I will get a framed diploma to hang on my wall.

As an ex-electronic engineer, I'm investigating building my own metabolic testing facility which will give me an advantage over other advisors as I will be able to measure kcals burned/min, fat grams burned/min & carb grams burned/min at different exercise intensities as well as the VOmax of my clients. It's a difficult project, though!

 

[P-funk]

According to Future Fit:-

"As a Nutrition Specialist, you will be able to provide advice on Nutrition and Weight Management and Sports Nutrition. You could set up Nutrition and Weight Management Clinics on a group or one-to-one basis as well as providing advice to Sports Clubs and teams."

It's better than being a Nutritionist (which anyone in the UK can be without qualifications) but not as good as being a Registered Dietitian. I won't have any letters after my name, but I will get a framed diploma to hang on my wall.

As an ex-electronic engineer, I'm investigating building my own metabolic testing facility which will give me an advantage over other advisors as I will be able to measure kcals burned/min, fat grams burned/min & carb grams burned/min at different exercise intensities as well as the VOmax of my clients. It's a difficult project, though!

Why not just do a degree program if you are going to invest all that time?

So, they have RD's across the pond?

 

[Blooming Lotus]

So your qualifications in the field of diet, nutrition, fitness & lifestyle are....?

I only have a BSc(Hons)Eng at the moment, but I have signed-up for a course by Future Fit Training Ltd (accredited by the UK Nutrition Society) to study for a Nutrition Specialist Diploma. Cheers, Nige.

Nothing overly fabulous atm. ..

I have though a faather who was a world class athlete,.. whom I trained with evvvery bloody day mind you from a tiny wee chick who I got some information and gentics off until I found some gousto enough to get to a world stage level myself:/.......not something evvveryone really gets privy to outside of what tightknit here or there "who'd ya know and how tight are you ?" contact.. I also do pretty well at virtually aaanything physical( or academic just quietly blush & ) I put my attention into.. and .. I know how to be and how to strructure for international athleticism both in diet and exercise programming.....and.. lifestyle and head garbage .. hurdles( ??!)....

atm I'm going for a Masters of high performance science.. ontop every other b.s. qualifixation I have in whole or part on god knows whaat manner of broasdscale "welcome to life " enthusiasm.. but I think It ( the MhpSc or MExScMSSc)covers quite a good scope of variety on it but I also have interests in bio-med and pharmacology and medcine and crap and even surgery if we get me started.. but god knows where I'll end up with on those.. yaay post grad options :/.. live long huh l-).

What you're doing sounds quite cool Niggey.. if you could do that and recoup and recover some more health and fitness of your own.. .. that would be cool enough to take you more peeredly too... You have to be able to and demonstrating youu can do it for me to call it ......... practical and youurself onto something I want to know as viable for whatever ....It's not easy makinbg world stageage.
Pls don't feel insulted though..I'm just snobby like that about armchair critique stuff like that.. when ..i'm not being .. welcomingly umbrellary and genrous,.. thaat's what iii look for in someone I see astalking good hard solid sense!( shrug for a quiet what's who when why hi) . Why nOt a post grad degree instead diploma??.. they're kinda 1/2 assed and half jokey to alot of ppl .. don't doo that to yourself for the sake of a yr or so.. if.. you don't want to.
..what arre your goals exactly with this?..??

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

found it .

Nigeepoo,

I found a link to what I was trying to describe. Firstly, let me say that I was wrong.. i meant hypertriglyceridemia and not what ever else I said. I guess I'll just have to blush and you"ll just have to sue me on it if it matters.

Bearing in mind that my recommendation was the addition of kelp and now maybe even L-Carnitine as preventatory measures , Here are some links explaining how ppl on strict regimes exercising and dieting themselves into a later metabolic or other systemary disorder may become afflicted and what it all means, particularly in terms of salt/ fats and carbs. I aam talking long term and health and in terms of adjustments or considerations to daily plans and both sides of the argument are presented here. Knowing the risks that b.b.'s and elite athletes quietly behind the scenes put their bodies and long term health in, and being empathetic and sharring some of those, it is theese types of reasons that I try to look out for ppl who don't know. Make what you like of it. Enjoy the read.

causes of hypertriglyceridemia - Google Search

carbs and fats as causes of hypertriglyceridemia - Google Search

hypertriglyceridemia and body building - Google Search

hypertriglyceridemia and bodybuilding - Google Search

My bad on the initial terminology.

Blooming tianshi Lotus

 

[Nigeepoo]

Why not just do a degree program if you are going to invest all that time?

It's not that much time. It's 3 modules consisting of a 3-day workshop + 12-week follow-up over the internet, 12 weeks correspondence course over the internet and a 16-20 hours correspondence course over the internet.

So, they have RD's across the pond?

RD is a title attained by degree and are the people that the NHS employ. I don't intend to go that far - I'm not looking for a proper job as I've retired and want to take things a bit easier for a while. I've only just recovered from a 6-year long deficiency in Vitamin D3 which rotted my brain-power something chronic.

 

[Nigeepoo]

Nigeepoo,
I found a link to what I was trying to describe. Firstly, let me say that I was wrong.. i meant hypertriglyceridemia and not what ever else I said. I guess I'll just have to blush and you"ll just have to sue me on it if it matters.
Blooming tianshi Lotus

Don't worry, I won't sue you. By an amazing co-incidence, I've had hypertriglyceridaemia, a.k.a. hypertriacylglycerolaemia.

When I was low-carbing, my serum TGs were 1.78mmol/L in Sept 2002. Someone on the BBC Health Boards convinced me that some carbs were "good" carbs e.g. oatmeal, rye breads etc so I introduced them into my diet as an experiment. This was in 2003. My weight went up by 2.5 stones (35lbs) and my TGs went up to 4.98mmol/L. As the upper RR limit is 1.8mmol/L, this was bad news.

267mg/day of micronised Fenofibrate lowered TGs a bit but they were still around 3mmol/L. Niaspan caused horrendous flushes so that was stopped. Eventually, I said that enough was enough and I went back to low-carbing. I lost 35lbs and at my last blood test in Dec 2006, my TGs were 1.62mmol/L on no medication.

Dietary fats cause transient hypertriglyceridaemia as they are absorbed into the lymphatic system and pumped around the body. Dietary carbs on the other hand cause chronic hypertriglyceridaemia as the liver converts excess glucose into TGs once liver glycogen stores are full, and muscle cells convert excess glucose into TGs once muscle glycogen stores are full. "Fat-burners" should not be on high-carb diets. I'm a fat-burner.

Hypertriglyceridaemia is bad news for your LDL cholesterol particles. See Everything You Wanted To Know About Cholesterol & Coronary Heart Disease Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

It's not that much time. It's 3 modules consisting of a 3-day workshop + 12-week follow-up over the internet, 12 weeks correspondence course over the internet and a 16-20 hours correspondence course over the internet.RD is a title attained by degree and are the people that the NHS employ. I don't intend to go that far - I'm not looking for a proper job as I've retired and want to take things a bit easier for a while. I've only just recovered from a 6-year long deficiency in Vitamin D3 which rotted my brain-power something chronic.

Motivation for it is always but without beeing dogmatic Nigeepoo, if it iis an interest of yours and you have time be leisurely about it, .. and at onnly 52 ( ) and doo want to contribute.. what you're doing doesn't really cater for that. You obviously have some soo much more potential for ppl about this kind of thing, and if you're not really doing anything else anyway, it'd be a shame to not see you do something further with it. .. just because you like to if nothing else.
Those over-the -net courses are are a JOKe in reeal industries concerned with it.. even if by the end you doo know what you're saying.. it doesn't wash and it looses it point. That's why ii at 32 am now back doing a freaking masters programe to pay for a ph.d in a whole other field( re-writing formal education syllabus mind you ) mind you . I just figure it's best to do it properly and all if I'm going to bother.
Enough of that though.
Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Don't worry, I won't sue you. By an amazing co-incidence, I've had hypertriglyceridaemia, a.k.a. hypertriacylglycerolaemia.

When I was low-carbing, my serum TGs were 1.78mmol/L in Sept 2002. Someone on the BBC Health Boards convinced me that some carbs were "good" carbs e.g. oatmeal, rye breads etc so I introduced them into my diet as an experiment. This was in 2003. My weight went up by 2.5 stones (35lbs) and my TGs went up to 4.98mmol/L. As the upper RR limit is 1.8mmol/L, this was bad news.

267mg/day of micronised Fenofibrate lowered TGs a bit but they were still around 3mmol/L. Niaspan caused horrendous flushes so that was stopped. Eventually, I said that enough was enough and I went back to low-carbing. I lost 35lbs and at my last blood test in Dec 2006, my TGs were 1.62mmol/L on no medication.

Dietary fats cause transient hypertriglyceridaemia as they are absorbed into the lymphatic system and pumped around the body. Dietary carbs on the other hand cause chronic hypertriglyceridaemia as the liver converts excess glucose into TGs once liver glycogen stores are full, and muscle cells convert excess glucose into TGs once muscle glycogen stores are full. "Fat-burners" should not be on high-carb diets. I'm a fat-burner.

Hypertriglyceridaemia is bad news for your LDL cholesterol particles. See Everything You Wanted To Know About Cholesterol & Coronary Heart Disease Cheers, Nige.

What is that???!?.. a glycy blood clotting "disorder" of suagrs and plasmic garbage???..aand long term vit d deficiency?.. ooh.:/ ... mineral defficiencies are sooo bad long term.. ppl just don't often realise the real potential conditions they face by neglecting things like that... sounds.. gluggy anyway.. or maybe a vitamin thing to offset that mineral cloggature ( ) is pretty well equally as bad. Isn't it always the smallest things that make such a big difference.@).

Anyway, good carbs or not.. if you eat more of those than you intend to burn, you arre going to put on weight .. and probably use room in your gut that could've been used for better nourishment otherwise. Carb abuse is rediculous imo. .. howevver.. without budget and education to do differently, it is difficult. .. and you're right.. it all equals sugars and lowered immunity and higher infection and bacteria playground so there's that to think about too. yet we neeed at least some of them sometimes to be healthy nonetheless. Good health can be tricky.
On the serum and TG levels, that's why I'm so big on supplements and protein shakes/ low complex carb and big on fruits and veg and estringents .. it 's nouriishing but I don't get all that excess sugarage sticking around ( providing I do the lemon and soda water and maybe dry red wine and fibre supps to keep it all happy and moving)... i just have to do it ( eat) more often is all. Sometimes between shakes and meals and snacks I could look at 8-12 serves over a full waking day..and I stiiil weigh 44-7 kgs and have ( except when I was pregnant) since I was finishing high school. .something every 2 hrs or usually works okay.
I highly recommend you give it a burl. You'll probably even drop a few kg and feel a little better if that entices you at all.
Do you knoww what cholesterol iis Nigeepoo? It's extra yardage of tissue your heart has to pump through . tissue is made by complex carb .. if you're not on a high carb plan.. cholesterol should never be an issue.. unless you eat saturated fat every day every meal almost.. that's why it relates to blood pressure. EFAs get a greeeat wrap here so I imagine that most ppl doing those are fairly safe on good lubes in iit's regard.. and for those that dont.. that's why I push the seaweed and tapioca or yams.. because it's a whole other way to go about it. I have nooo bleeding intention of taking 70 gms of fat per day!!.,god.. I'd be dead within a month just about!. .. I wouldn't do it anyway. I eat 10 gm and under a day 5-7 days a week every week bar when i decide I want otherwise which could be days in a row or not for weeks.. aand I magine I might not be the only one ( for whatever reason )not prepared to do that much daily fat neither. ..hence the alternative suggestion. I 'm also huuuge on mineral salts.. like the liquid you get in tuna in spring water.. love that..
To get your LDL cholesterol to regain it's co-operation , all it takes is lemon juice and some olive oil or whatever's in your seaweed ( and yes it's omega 3 and some mineral boost) and all is well.
I once many moons ago , ontop of my fitness leaders and nutrition and godknows what other courses, did part of a chefs apprenticeship or two off the back of part of a diploma of hospitality management and ended up head cooking for 200 ppl 3 x a day including for special needs customers for a good cpl of yrs. .. and then met them in the gym a cpl of times a day and or night to take them through that. busy times i guess.
Anyway, point is that alternatives are always reallly handy to have up your sleeve. .and imo , it's always nice to know what those might be .


Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

...and I stiiil weigh 44-7 kgs and have ( except when I was pregnant) since I was finishing high school...
Blooming tianshi lotus.

The penny finally drops. You're a girl! No wonder we've had problems communicating. Did you say that you also have hypertriglyceridaemia? I only became deficient in Vitamin D after I got Internet access 7 years ago and virtually stopped going outside during the day. So, what did you think of my article on Cholesterol and Coronary Heart Disease? Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Close enough. ..
Interesting article though. After I 'spoke with you' about this and thought about your comment on vit D deficiency and brain rot from too long without it, and your comment on how it caused you to put on weight, having half in interest in basic nuero science and chem ( as one might) and in how and why ppl put on and loose weight, It got me thinking and brought back to mind a series of research reports I came across regarding calcium and fat loss.
Calcium, Weight Loss & Fat Loss
Bodybuilding.com - Mauro Di Pasquale - Fat Loss - Effects Of Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin D.

which together with thiis

[quote Calcium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
as a reducing agent in the extraction of other metals, such as uranium, zirconium, and thorium.
as a deoxidizer, desulfurizer, or decarbonizer for various ferrous and nonferrous alloys.
as an alloying agent used in the production of aluminium, beryllium, copper, lead, and magnesium alloys.
in the making of cements and mortars to be used in construction.

and this
Cholesterol - encyclopedia article about Cholesterol.

and thiis image from your link

( see images @ bottom of pg)
Nutrition, Health & Heart Disease; Cause & Prevention

bearing in mind that cholesterol as a celluar plaque and vit d and calcium relate to the endocrine system ( and production of brain and nerve stabilising chemical and hormone production.. and how thaat relates to the pancreas as a blood filter lube), I guess I can see the link between it all fairly easily.
It still imo comes down to heavy element cell suffocating toxicity though and there are soo many ways to do that ourselves. whether or not that toxification and cell suffocation comes from an oxidation of triglyercides from fats
triglyceride oxidation - Google Search
or from sugars
triglyceridemia and sugar - Google Search
it still means that there are things in there suffocating and things that arent able to perform their job...thereby effecting whole other systems that depend on them doing that.
To answer your question, no. I'm not typically hypertriglyceridemic. ..but when I do a refeed that involves over a certain gm itake of fat tOgether with grainey complex carbs, or a big refined sugar and grained complex carb combo, I doo get chronic hypertriglyceridemia because of my liver condition, and go into liver failure of which thee only way out is too drink and flush and eat exactly what I need to to get it all out of my body asap. Doesn't stop me tryying sometimes dammit! 90 or so % of ppl who that happens to, die directly fromm that liver failing. I'm lucky to have had the information or been able to work out what to do...and have a reason to as it's sometimes come down to.


I usually personally get my vit d mainly from my milk
Products and Recipes - PhysiCAL
.. and I dont buy other brands ..even iif they're no fat mainly for that reason ( shrug).
Having that type of material in our bodies not being able to be flushed or used is a pretty clear picture to me.

Apology for the long post anyway. hope it helps clarify .

Blooming tianshi Lotus

 

[tucker01]

I usually personally get my vit d mainly from my milk
Products and Recipes - PhysiCAL
.. and I dont buy other brands ..even iif they're no fat mainly for that reason ( shrug).
Having that type of material in our bodies not being able to be flushed or used is a pretty clear picture to me.

Apology for the long post anyway. hope it helps clarify .

Blooming tianshi Lotus

Unless Milk is fortified there is next to nothing in Vit D. Even then the product you listed per 100ml is 5% of the Recommended amount.

Fatty fishes seem to be an excellent source of Vit D, the reason why Cod Liver Oil is suggested as a supp for us nothern folks during the winter months, as sunlight is minimal.

Salmon, Sardines, Tuna, Makeral are also excellent sources of Vit D. That and Sunlight.

Any dairy products will need to be fortified.

 

[Witchblade]

The penny finally drops. You're a girl!

How could you miss that?

 

[Nigeepoo]

Close enough. ..
Interesting article though. After I 'spoke with you' about this and thought about your comment on vit D deficiency and brain rot from too long without it, and your comment on how it caused you to put on weight, having half in interest in basic nuero science and chem ( as one might) and in how and why ppl put on and loose weight, It got me thinking and brought back to mind a series of research reports I came across regarding calcium and fat loss.

The massive weight gain/loss was from eating/not eating carbs, not a lack/sufficiency of Vitamin D3. Taking 2,000iu/day of D3 has not affected my weight significantly.

Accumulation of calcium within the intima & adventitia of artery walls is aggravated by a lack of Vitamin K2. See Dietary Intake of Menaquinone Is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Coronary Heart Disease: The Rotterdam Study -- Geleijnse et al. 134 (11): 3100 -- Journal of Nutrition

Suffice it to say, I supplement with Vitamin K2 from VRP.

Unless you eat an Eskimo diet of whales, seals & oily fish all the time, you can't get enough D3 from the food you eat. See Hypovitaminosis D in British adults at age 45 y: nationwide cohort study of dietary and lifestyle predictors -- Hyppönen and Power 85 (3): 860 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and The urgent need to recommend an intake of vitamin D that is effective -- Vieth et al. 85 (3): 649 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

A lack of D3 can impair glucose homeostasis, see Vitamin D Status and Glucose Homeostasis in the 1958 British Birth Cohort: The role of obesity -- Hyppönen and Power 29 (10): 2244 -- Diabetes Care

You only need ~20 minutes/day of full-body sun exposure at the right time of day (see VitD-ez Easy Duration of Vitamin D Synthesis in Human Skin for a calculator that shows from what start time to what stop time you should get your ~20 minutes of sun exposure to get D3 synthesis in your skin.) to get 10,000iu/day of D3.

Cheers, Nige.

 

[Nigeepoo]

How could you miss that?

O.K. What clues did I miss?

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Unless Milk is fortified there is next to nothing in Vit D. Even then the product you listed per 100ml is 5% of the Recommended amount.

Fatty fishes seem to be an excellent source of Vit D, the reason why Cod Liver Oil is suggested as a supp for us nothern folks during the winter months, as sunlight is minimal.

Salmon, Sardines, Tuna, Makeral are also excellent sources of Vit D. That and Sunlight.

Any dairy products will need to be fortified.

Even at 5 % RDA( ?) , milk being such a main source of nourishment, with the amount that I do drink each day ( 1-2 L give or take ideally most 24 hr periods), at worst I make the IOM ( Instistute of Medicine) 's AI ( adequate ( daily) intake) juust on milk alone.. and that's before I even step outside. handy to know though for those times that might not happen.

Here are some intake and source charts they put together


[quote Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet: Vitamin D ]



Although milk is fortified with vitamin D, dairy products made from milk, such as cheese and ice creams, are generally not fortified with vitamin D and contain only small amounts. Some ready-to-eat breakfast cereals may be fortified with vitamin D, often at a level of 10% to 15% of the Daily Value*. There are only a few commonly consumed foods that are good sources of vitamin D [4]. Suggested dietary sources of vitamin D are listed in Table 1.

Table 1: Selected food sources of vitamin D [10-12]Food International Units(IU) per serving Percent DV*
Cod liver oil, 1 Tablespoon 1,360 340
Salmon, cooked, 3½ ounces 360 90
Mackerel, cooked, 3½ ounces 345 90
Tuna fish, canned in oil, 3 ounces 200 50
Sardines, canned in oil, drained, 1¾ ounces 250 70
Milk, nonfat, reduced fat, and whole, vitamin D fortified, 1 cup 98 25
Margarine, fortified, 1 Tablespoon 60 15
Pudding, prepared from mix and made with vitamin D fortified milk, ½ cup 50 10
Ready-to-eat cereals fortified with 10% of the DV for vitamin D, ¾ cup to 1 cup servings (servings vary according to the brand) 40 10
Egg, 1 whole (vitamin D is found in egg yolk) 20 6
Liver, beef, cooked, 3½ ounces 15 4
Cheese, Swiss, 1 ounce 12 4

*DV = Daily Value. DVs are reference numbers developed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to help consumers determine if a food contains a lot or a little of a specific nutrient. The DV for vitamin D is 400 IU (10 μg) for adults. Most food labels do not list vitamin D content unless a food has been fortified with this nutrient. The percent DV (%DV) listed on the table above tells you the percent of the DV provided in one serving. A food providing 5% of the DV or less is a low source while a food that provides 10-19% of the DV is a good source and a food that provides 20% or more of the DV is high in that nutrient. It is important to remember that foods that provide lower percentages of the DV also contribute to a healthful diet. For foods not listed in this table, please refer to the U.S. Department of Agriculture???s Nutrient Database Web site: Redirect to Fisheries.


The IOM determined there was insufficient scientific information to establish a RDA for vitamin D. Instead, the recommended intake is listed as an Adequate Intake (AI), which represents the daily vitamin D intake that should maintain bone health and normal calcium metabolism in healthy people.

AIs for vitamin D may be listed on food and dietary supplement labels as either micrograms (μg) or International Units (IU). The biological activity of 1 μg vitamin D is equal to 40 IUs [4]. AIs for vitamin D for infants, children, and adults, are listed in table 2 in micrograms and IUs [4].

Table 2: Adequate Intake for vitamin D for infants, children, and adults [4]Age Children
(μg/day) Men
(μg/day) Women
(μg/day) Pregnancy
(μg/day) Lactation
(μg/day)
Birth to 13 years 5
(=200 IU)
14 to 18 years 5
(=200 IU) 5
(=200 IU) 5
(=200 IU) 5
(=200 IU)
19 to 50 years 5
(=200 IU) 5
(=200 IU) 5
(=200 IU) 5
(=200 IU)
51 to 70 years 10
(=400 IU) 10
(=400 IU)
71+ years 15
(=600 IU) 15
(=600 IU)

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Anything I intake calcium wise that isn't absorbded, is flushed by my particularism about eating and drinking for blood and organ cleansing and isn't a problem neither. It iis another source and for ppl who for whatever reason don't gett outside for extended periods, Imo it's still good information to have in mind. When you need to be creative, every alternative has potential to help..

 

[Blooming Lotus]

The massive weight gain/loss was from eating/not eating carbs, not a lack/sufficiency of Vitamin D3. Taking 2,000iu/day of D3 has not affected my weight significantly.

Accumulation of calcium within the intima & adventitia of artery walls is aggravated by a lack of Vitamin K2. See Dietary Intake of Menaquinone Is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Coronary Heart Disease: The Rotterdam Study -- Geleijnse et al. 134 (11): 3100 -- Journal of Nutrition

Suffice it to say, I supplement with Vitamin K2 from VRP.

Unless you eat an Eskimo diet of whales, seals & oily fish all the time, you can't get enough D3 from the food you eat. See Hypovitaminosis D in British adults at age 45 y: nationwide cohort study of dietary and lifestyle predictors -- Hyppönen and Power 85 (3): 860 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and The urgent need to recommend an intake of vitamin D that is effective -- Vieth et al. 85 (3): 649 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

A lack of D3 can impair glucose homeostasis, see Vitamin D Status and Glucose Homeostasis in the 1958 British Birth Cohort: The role of obesity -- Hyppönen and Power 29 (10): 2244 -- Diabetes Care

You only need ~20 minutes/day of full-body sun exposure at the right time of day (see VitD-ez Easy Duration of Vitamin D Synthesis in Human Skin for a calculator that shows from what start time to what stop time you should get your ~20 minutes of sun exposure to get D3 synthesis in your skin.) to get 10,000iu/day of D3.

Cheers, Nige.

Wow!!.. From the link in my post, the IOM ( institute of medicine ) says 2000iu is thee top end intake a person can max to before putting their health in very serious jeaopardy!.. One extreme to the other is quite radical of you.

On your weight fluctuations regarding your carb intake, and in saying so without knowing whaat exactly gm/bw wise you were considering a low carb intake at the time,.. to me the alternatives that that had to mean you were consuming, would have had to've meant, given the circumstances, that you weren't looking after your kidneys ( as is one of the top risks associated with low carb eating) and it was thaat that caused or grossly exaccebated your initial problem in reagrd to the effects of the vit d deficiency.. and you took a dbl whammy on it.
It is also likely that because it is often so extremely hard to get adequately nourished as adult on a lowcarb plan, that you put your body into starvation during that period and when you hit it with "all those carbs" , the reaction was that your body still in shock of having been deprived, caused your metabolism to slow down and hold onto evvery extra ounce of whatever it could get.. causing your weight gain.

With sugar carb and fluid and bio-thremal regulation all over the place, it iis no wonder that your blood viscosity and clotting mechanisms also went out in sympathy... It's funny how that works.

[quote What is Vitamin K? ]

What does vitamin k do?
Vitamin K is needed for proper bone formation and blood clotting. In both cases, vitamin K does this by helping the body transport calcium. Vitamin K is used by doctors when treating an overdose of the drug warfarin. Also, doctors prescribe vitamin K to prevent excessive bleeding in people taking warfarin but requiring surgery.

There is preliminary evidence that vitamin K2 (menadione), not vitamin K1 (phylloquinone; phytonadione), may improve a group of blood disorders known as myelodysplastic syndromes (MDS).1 These syndromes carry a significantly increased risk of progression to acute myeloid leukemia. Large-scale trials of vitamin K2 for MDS are needed to confirm these promising early results.

Where is vitamin k found?
Leafy green vegetables, such as spinach, kale, collards, and broccoli, are the best sources of vitamin K. The greener the plant, the higher the vitamin K content.2 Other significant dietary sources of vitamin K include soybean oil, olive oil, cottonseed oil, and canola oil.3
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AS you can see there are maany great dietary sources to provide adequate vitamin K, and probably even morre so if someone might be low - carbing properly where the particularly green produce intake makes up for the fall out of lowering grainage.
I think your diet was attrocious!..although being you gott into that condition, it's likely half unneccessary to remind you of that. I'm sure you're likely well aware. I understand that retrospect is all too ironic, but as long as you're onto it now and recovering and back on track then all is well.
Better late than never though ....good on you for doing it. too too many ppl just let go from there and instead of correcting their health just wait for lack of it to consume them. Sincerely Good for you.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

Wow!!.. From the link in my post, the IOM ( institute of medicine ) says 2000iu is thee top end intake a person can max to before putting their health in very serious jeaopardy!.. One extreme to the other is quite radical of you.

For the IOM to state that 2,000iu/day of Vitamin D3 is the max safe intake is nonsense. If you see http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=506781&blobtype=pdf , you'll see that 4,000iu/day didn't increase serum calcium as PTH dropped to compensate. It's statements like that (from the IOM) that results in people being Vitamin D3 deficient if they stay out of the sun. See The urgent need to recommend an intake of vitamin D that is effective -- Vieth et al. 85 (3): 649 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition The fact that the skin can produce 10,000iu/day of D3 further reinforces how nonsensical the IOM's statement is.

On your weight fluctuations regarding your carb intake, and in saying so without knowing whaat exactly gm/bw wise you were considering a low carb intake at the time,.. to me the alternatives that that had to mean you were consuming, would have had to've meant, given the circumstances, that you weren't looking after your kidneys ( as is one of the top risks associated with low carb eating) and it was thaat that caused or grossly exaccebated your initial problem in reagrd to the effects of the vit d deficiency...and you took a dbl whammy on it.

No. I was low-carbing (~25% of total cals from carbs) since June 1997 without any problems. It was in 1999/2000 that I got internet access and stopped going out during the day, resulting in D3 deficiency which started to affect me in 2001.

It is also likely that because it is often so extremely hard to get adequately nourished as adult on a lowcarb plan, that you put your body into starvation during that period and when you hit it with "all those carbs" , the reaction was that your body still in shock of having been deprived, caused your metabolism to slow down and hold onto evvery extra ounce of whatever it could get.. causing your weight gain.

In my case, eating too much carbs wrecked my appetite control due to rollercoaster blood glucose & insulin levels, so I ate too much. Simple as.

With sugar carb and fluid and bio-thremal regulation all over the place, it iis no wonder that your blood viscosity and clotting mechanisms also went out in sympathy... It's funny how that works.

I never had any clotting problems. I took K2 as I had spinal osteoporosis diagnosed in 2003 and I wanted to make sure that the extra calcium I was taking ended up in my bones & not my arteries or soft tissues.

Where is vitamin k found?
Leafy green vegetables, such as spinach, kale, collards, and broccoli, are the best sources of vitamin K. The greener the plant, the higher the vitamin K content.2 Other significant dietary sources of vitamin K include soybean oil, olive oil, cottonseed oil, and canola oil.3 AS you can see there are maany great dietary sources to provide adequate vitamin K, and probably even morre so if someone might be low - carbing properly where the particularly green produce intake makes up for the fall out of lowering grainage.

Most veg sources contain K1 only. K2 is much more rare. K2 formed in our guts by bacterial action on K1 is not absorbed as it's in the wrong part of the gut.

I think your diet was attrocious!

Which one? The low-carb one or the high-carb one?

..although being you gott into that condition, it's likely half unneccessary to remind you of that. I'm sure you're likely well aware. I understand that retrospect is all too ironic, but as long as you're onto it now and recovering and back on track then all is well.
Better late than never though ....good on you for doing it. too too many ppl just let go from there and instead of correcting their health just wait for lack of it to consume them. Sincerely Good for you.
Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

so I ate too much. Simple as.


......Which one? The low-carb one or the high-carb one?

@).



Btw, if your body caan produce 10 000 iu /day .. it's a shame you couldn't get yours to. Stuff your body makes is nOt the same as stuff you take to supplement those things where the protective processes of natural production and progressive metabolism as a result of those processes means one can doo more of whathaveyou at a safely higher level than if the intake was via supplements . There are soo many factors associated with using high levels safely, from activity to whatever else accompanies those supplements in support that I don't think it's most true to say what you have. I am going to leave you with it.


Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

@).
Btw, if your body caan produce 10 000 iu /day .. it's a shame you couldn't get yours to.

I hate going out in the sun - that's why my body wasn't producing any. Many people spend too much time indoors and become deficient in D3, or live so far North of the equator that the sun isn't strong enough for a lot of the year.

Stuff your body makes is nOt the same as stuff you take to supplement

Actually, it is the same. Vitamin D3 is extracted from the lanolin off a sheep's back - the sheep do the sunbathing on my behalf! Vitamin D2 is the synthetic one. Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

It is nOt the same and to be honest I think It's a reeally damaging thing to say to ppl...especially when they might apply that to other stuff.. but you've never been an elite athlete or tried to be so no doubt you have no fucking idea whaat about it!.!!( )
I'm not going to argue with you about it though because I don't want to mostly..
I barely even know what we're talking about now. Who giives a toss who's right. You messed yourself up and now you say you're okay and thaat is bleeding wOnderful!. Happy for you.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

It is nOt the same and to be honest I think It's a reeally damaging thing to say to ppl

Sorry, but Vitamin D3 in supp form has the same molecular structure as vitamin D3 made in the skin by sunlight. That's why it's called Vitamin D3 and not Vitamin D2.

..especially when they might apply that to other stuff..

If someone jumps to a wrong conclusion, then that's their problem.

but you've never been an elite athlete or tried to be so no doubt you have no fucking idea whaat about it!.!!( )

Calm down, dear. Being an elite athlete is irrelevant. All humans need basic nutrients for their bodies to work properly.

I'm not going to argue with you about it though because I don't want to mostly..

Don't argue, then. It's not good for your blood-pressure.

I barely even know what we're talking about now. Who giives a toss who's right. You messed yourself up and now you say you're okay and thaat is bleeding wOnderful!. Happy for you.
Blooming tianshi lotus.

There's nothing left to talk about, so good day. Nige.

 

[tucker01]

You are alot bigger of a person then me Nigepoo. I would have laid a verbal beating from that last post from her. Not only rude, but extremely ignorant.