Attention Zonaguy.

[Nigeepoo]

Heh! Maybe it's the Fish Oils, maybe it's the Vit D3, maybe it's the Magnesium or maybe it's just my age, but I don't care how rude or ignorant people are to me anymore. It's only a messageboard! I prefer to let the facts speak for themselves. Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Exactly. I aim not to let other ppl's negative behaviour get to myyself neither.
and I'm not your 'Dear' and nor is it my name. It's better than " body" I sometimes get called ( @)just quietly..and no I'm not Elle McPherson or anything even clOse to resembling her and no it's not overly fabulous atm .) but I find it patronising and disrepectful twd women for you to address me like that. you are well aware that I have a name and what it is. It'd be like myself calling you babe,..or hun ( shrug).

Anyway,.. it may be the same, or end up being the same thing, but what I'm getting at is when ppl take certain supplements, it cuts out some really vital to long term health progressive metabolic processes that stimulate production of other things that serve to protect our bodies and help us to live longer and a better life quality...aand acheive and maintain, imo, better performance quality over longer periods more safely and so on.
I initially came across that notion when saw a documentary about a doctor / pharmacist in Mexico who was manufacturing steroids for sale to Americans and who was explaining how they worked and what the associated risks were to taking them in that form. That got me looking into a whole host of other things.. including most recently research on NO (nitric oxide) and other supplements or additions to NO products that are designed or included for and around that very concept.
Hearing about that at the time and having had certain issues with my own health surrounding things that I was trying to have not pack up or shut down on mysellf, I aat that very point, became somewhat endeared to BodyBuilders and what they put themselves through , and right down to whyy they did and do, for that very reason. As I study, it's something that I allways have in mind is quietly important to me to get information out about.
I did feel .. half short for having had jack that day and saying I didn't want to follow the conversation through so there you go. I acknowledge I did that and it was emotionally slight of me , despiite the fact of how you do or don't get defensive and even immaturely catty and react when you think it may look like you've been made to not look like you're right,..despite whether you are or not ( likely because of your age...and as banefully as so godammed many ppl in your age group doo react ) just because you're insecure about the sum of yourself by now aand despite the patronisation that you've now followed that with. I live with a man right now exaactly the bloody same!
Being able to be empathetic and know what to be concerned about because you've been through it certainly iis relevant. It will always be relevant and open new research doors that would 've otherwise maybe not been .


As far as ppl jumping to wrong conclusions, that's why we educate and have these boards and health media and types of discussions at all. Ppl deserve to be informed if we can swing it. .. and dammit if I haven't rested the entire goodness of my sipirt and character on my efforts ( and personal sacrifices otherwise from trying ) to do my best to doo that for the planet.
If more ppl gave a toss that others diid jump to wrong conclusions.. well maybe the world 'd be in better state to live in for everyone.

At the moment I'm investigating resveratrol ( polyphenol from wine) and it's impact as a protein cataboliser . I probably wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say if and when my conclusions go where I think and hope they might so if you're up for that I'll catch up with you then.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

O.K. Lotus. May I call you Lotus (as it's your username and I don't know your real name)?

Please accept that there is a bit of a language barrier between these two sides of the Atlantic, so when we speak colloquially, misunderstandings can happen. I borrowed the "Calm down, dear" line from an e-sure advertisement featuring Michael Winner as it's a funny ad. I have no objection to being called babe or hun and would take it as a compliment. That said....

I don't know much about Resveratrol other than it's a polyphenol found in the skins of dark red grapes growing in cold climates. I don't know anything about its effect on protein synthesis/catabolism. I take 600mg/day of red wine powder as one of my supplements (I don't drink alcohol), as red wine polyphenols are good for us, unlike too much alcohol, see Nutrition Source, Harvard School of Public Health

Protein catabolism doesn't sound like a good thing to me - it suggests muscle loss.

On the subject of Vitamin & Mineral supplements, I agree that a balance is needed. Large (>10,000iu/day) intakes of Vitamin D3 can result in deficiencies in the other fat-soluble vitamins e.g. A, E complex & K complex. Large (>25g/day) intakes of alpha-linolenic acid can result in deficiencies in omega-6 EFAs as the two fatty acid synthesis pathways share the same enzymes. This is why I suggest taking reasonable amounts of such supplements. Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Personally i think calling someone 'Babe' or 'Hun' comprimises my owwn self professionally. If we were in a meeting where we respected each other, I don't think I'd address you like that. Personal opinion I guess... I just know that men who've wanted to respect me previously think it's selfdemeaning and misleading and presumptious of me to address them that way.( shrug). . and they quietly turn their noses up at being mislead or 'smooched onto' ..which if that was beeing the case, I'd rather just not do it and bank my respect instead... just as when i get called Darl or hun myself I don't like it for pretty much the same reasons.

aanyway,..

Protein catabolism is muuch different than catabolising intermuscluarly where your muscularture is what's being degraded. By breaking down dietary proteins in stomache via use of a chemical .. such aas polyphenol from a dry red wine, it expediates the elimination of waste and has the protein reduced into it's amino form maany times faster than if it were to digest naturally which can take any where up to 10 hrs. It also unlocks the energy value much faster... which for myself in lieu of the complex carbs I can't eat so many of at a time without comprimising my liver ( through a rediculous series of reactions thereafter), that I would otherwise get more of that longer energy from, together with good simple sourced sugars or even starches and smaller complex hits, helps me to have enough energy to work out with.

by catabolising dietary proteins in that fashion, it also has my proteins reduce to Aginine and L-argine extreemely quickly, and because ofthe amount of protein I doo take, in fairly substantial quantities, which as we know promotes natural nitric oxide reactions ( which relaxes my smooth muscle cells in blood vessels to increase oxygen and nutirient intake and hormone upload capacity..particularly during exercise ) and an expediated production and conversion to Growth Hormone at huuge to otherwise levels for max time throughout that period and thereafter... until I doo a post workout carb and protein combo load and slow it down for a while .. which in turn means that I not only end up with greater muscle density but it also increases my recovery time and the amount of fueled and nourished work I'm able to do .
To have that polyphenol boost at that concentration ( which I allways submit should be enratio to protein intake) helps break down my lymphnodes ( or toxic clusters) so they can be flushed from body as fast as possible, after the additional protein plasma bonds with existing lymphocytes carrying any other bloodular toxins from every cell and organ in my body to come together in a group in the lymph node, leaving my blood clean and my liver and immune system with a better chance of not sh8tting themselves and breaking down on me...proviidding I can do a laxative and an activator ( like a simple sugar ) and get it all out of my body asap after breaking them down before it all starts recirculating and resettling... and hence importance of hydration here.
Because of the way my liver disease works, breaking dowwn my dietary proteins likethat also keeps my liver cells coated in a goood layer of aminos so it doesn't fall apart and scar and turn into cancer.. or just start swelling and spazing from nOt having the protective amino coating and stop working altogther on the spot..kiind of the main instigator of having bothered at all.. .

Because of the relationship between sugar and complex carbs in slowing down metabolism and digestion of those carbs through insulin interference though, for someone on a high carb intake, which allso btw just quietly loads all types of bacteria precursors and toxic garbage or their owwn if not used and as they're being digested in bi-products of that process, to have that work for them effectively, a polyphenol supplement would be much more ideal. There are studies that have been done around the world I think most recently that I've read coming out of Montreal University that all support the same truth about it.

Thankyou for conceding that 10 000 iu of vit D is nOt an optimum dose for most ppl most of the time...or at leaast that it has potentially dangerous ramifications. Anyway, thank godd for sports scienists and bio-med students developing our supplements and researching for us, I know that having them has changed my entire life and has imo an extreemely respectworthy place in the world and is a really good thing for our society... good health is horrible to not have .

Cheers right back atchya.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

Hi Lotus.

Protein catabolism is much different than catabolising intermuscluarly where your musculature is what's being degraded. By breaking down dietary proteins in stomach via use of a chemical .. such as polyphenol from a dry red wine, it expediates the elimination of waste and has the protein reduced into its amino form many times faster than if it were to digest naturally which can take anywhere up to 10 hrs.

Ah, you're talking about the digestion of proteins. Here's an article you may find interesting www.humankinetics.com/eJournalMedia/pdfs/5642.pdf

It also unlocks the energy value much faster... which for myself in lieu of the complex carbs I can't eat so many of at a time without compromising my liver (through a ridiculous series of reactions thereafter), that I would otherwise get more of that longer energy from, together with good simple sourced sugars or even starches and smaller complex hits, helps me to have enough energy to work out with.

Do you have a fatty liver? This is related to hypertriglyceridaemia. Maybe your body burns lots of fat and not much carbs which is why dietary carbs are converted into triglycerides. I have such a body which is why a low-carb diet suits me so well.

Because of the relationship between sugar and complex carbs in slowing down metabolism and digestion of those carbs through insulin interference though, for someone on a high carb intake, which also btw just quietly loads all types of bacteria precursors and toxic garbage or their own if not used and as they're being digested in by-products of that process, to have that work for them effectively, a polyphenol supplement would be much more ideal. There are studies that have been done around the world I think most recently that I've read coming out of Montreal University that all support the same truth about it.

I don't understand everything you've typed but if it works for you, use it.

Thank you for conceding that 10 000 iu of vit D is not an optimum dose for most ppl most of the time...or at least that it has potentially dangerous ramifications. Anyway, thank God for sports scientists and bio-med students developing our supplements and researching for us, I know that having them has changed my entire life and has imo an extremely respect-worthy place in the world and is a really good thing for our society... good health is horrible to not have .
Cheers right back atchya.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Yap. and wecould go on and on between us for ever..

I aam talking about digestion of proteins, which consering neither of you or myself are big carb eaters - lind of mutually relevant between us and alternative eating plans - but and in regard to the link you posted, it stiill just comes back down to getting enough and assisting things to break down and up load and flushing properly to advoid toxicity of those things and whatever they end up becoming at the end and on the gradual process of break down to their most simple form.. and doing what you can to maximise benifit and exploit them ( and sympathetic hormones and so on)at various points dUring the breakdown process..

I don't have a fatty liver. I have thee single worst strain of hep c and I have had since I was about 17 and caught it from some hot lesbian I was.. doesn't matter @).... but what that means now though is that although I can burrn the carbs easily enough ( and after the amount of exercise Ii do usually in a day you'd want to freaking hope I could ), I just can't get my liver to help me out to break them down.. sugars that take too much effort to get too or stick around unused or counteracted in our bodies is a pretty big no no when it comes to hep c because it interferes with cell protection and when you're talking grains, not enough bile and other stuff is produced to be able to break it down.. so sitting there festering in my stomache in only a really small amount of juices.. if you think alcohol still.. or liquor brewry, it sends first my liver into fits as that process happens and it tries to produce more acids and crap to meet the demand and then other things go out in sympathy right along with it because it just can't do it ...and thenn I get to the point where I just haave to get it out of my body as fast the godammingjesus as I can!!..

Anyway so when I load grains or do too much sugar, and because fat allso slows down complex carb digestion- high fAt intake aswell when more than a small amount of complex carb pressent in my gut, it can't break down and just sits there festering into a high trigleride overload and that's how my liver goes mental trying to make stuff to break it down .. when it can't do it and think it needs to , it takes like an elipeptic fit and spasms and swells and pulls and so on and thaat's when it could scar and give me cancer or just shit itself altogether and refuse to work at all ever again if that's what I'm asking it to do when we both knOw godamming well that it can't .. meaning I'd die .. iff I didn't get it out of my body before the liver decided what it was going to do ..whether rip or stop and godknows whatever else.. it's like I have x amount of time to have food sit there and be able to produce digestive juices.. and if it's not soluble enough or in a small enough quantity to have that happen by the time it runs dry then I gOtta flush immEdiately or .. get sick and die or whthaveyou.. It just can't sit in my stomache because my liver'll keep trying to produce stuff it only has limited capacity to do ..until it just breaks....


I can do small amounts per serve though and I can do unlimited fruit and veg and starches and more grains if it's wholemeal or pre-processed white rice .. or sushi sometimes if I've been really good for a while beforehand.. It's no drama though , it just means I need more big simple carb hits and have to eat more often.. aand do shit loads of protein in lieu and assist itt to break down because it's the sugar and protein combo that maxes insulin exploitation anyway.. and I 've got to eat something .. win win when you get used to it though just quietly.. I'm trying to put on weight to make a comp level atm and I've been doing tapioca for my extra carb which with fish and chicken and meat and jellys from those things, along with whatever else I'm doing light gluco fluid wise does me somewhat for creatine boosting aswell ( shrug).. so far so good but godknows.. this putting on weight thing is kinda new for me I guess.... 52 kgs for a lightweight doesn't sound to far fetched to start off in light weight division ( if I don't get on roll pretty quickly and go up another one.. as I imagine i miight if I really looked at it and wanted it )though so see I'll see what I can come up with.



Anyway, enough rant. Thanks for your links.. it's been fun..

Blooming tianshi lotus.

p.s. with your low -carb eating are you sure youu get enough protein and other nutrients and calories???.. Do you have a particular calory intake range you aim for each day ?? Just curious how you cover it is all.

 

[Nigeepoo]

I don't have a fatty liver. I have thee single worst strain of hep c and I have had since I was about 17 and caught it from some hot lesbian I was.. doesn't matter @)....

Ouch! Bad luck. Have you tried eating lots of Virgin Coconut Oil? The Lauric Acid in that is supposed to interfere with lipid-enveloped viruses like hepatitis.

Anyway so when I load grains or do too much sugar, and because fat also slows down complex carb digestion- high fat intake as well when more than a small amount of complex carb present in my gut, it can't break down and just sits there festering into a high triglyceride overload and that's how my liver goes mental trying to make stuff to break it down

How are you with protein + fat + fibrous carb meals i.e. meat & leafy veggies?

I can do small amounts per serve though and I can do unlimited fruit and veg and starches and more grains if it's wholemeal or pre-processed white rice .. or sushi sometimes if I've been really good for a while beforehand.. It's no drama though , it just means I need more big simple carb hits and have to eat more often..

Little & often sounds like a good idea.

this putting on weight thing is kinda new for me I guess.... 52 kgs for a lightweight doesn't sound to far fetched to start off in light weight division ( if I don't get on roll pretty quickly and go up another one.. as I imagine i might if I really looked at it and wanted it )though so see I'll see what I can come up with.

I never have any trouble putting on weight...I love my food!

Anyway, enough rant. Thanks for your links.. it's been fun..
Blooming tianshi lotus.
p.s. with your low -carb eating are you sure you get enough protein and other nutrients and calories???.. Do you have a particular calorie intake range you aim for each day ?? Just curious how you cover it is all.

I don't count calories or grams so I don't know my calorie intake or macro split. At a rough guess, I'd say I was eating ~2,500kcals/day with a rough P/C/F split of 25%/25%/50%. If I have too much fun and put on weight, I cut down a bit to get back to where I was (100kg). As for nutrients, I work on the assumption that modern veg & fruit is grown on depleted soils so I take a variety of Vitamin, Mineral, EFA & miscellaneous (Co-Q10, Green Tea, Red Wine, Garlic) supps. Cheers, Nige.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

no. I haven't really gone in for big coconut oil anything.. and some polynesian small asian heritage use of coconuts is nOt something I haven't been exposed to, but instead I go more for lipid flushing herbs and so on.

If I mix fat and protein, I normally fare a little better, but generally speaking, unless I reeally need to or use that as my refeed, I don't usually do that neither and tend instead to go for protein shakes milk egg whites and combos of fruit and veg and reeally small complex servings. I just find it's more efficieint nutritionally and more bioavailable and easier to digest and eliminate.

yah.. I tend to agree that alot of food doesn't have anywhere near as much nutrient coverage as is should or used to and I also believew that's because of soil quality these days, so I recommend multi -vit supplementation myself.

It sounds like you're pretty happy and comfortable with what you're doing dietarily atm so I guess my advice is uneccessary.

Thanks for sharing your information anyway.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.