Between Islam and Christianity

[seven11]

ok see i have prove that there where UN soldieres raping bosnian muslim woman.....
in sarajevo all the UN did was provide food while the serbs bombarded us from up the montains and shoot us with snipers. after 3 years of fighting the bosnian army got stronger and regained 1/3 of bosnia in only 4 months and was going to Banja luka (serbian main strong hold) well thats when the us stepped in and demended for the war to stop or they would start bombing us. and why? because we would remove all serbs from bosnia... all politics, im not blaiming the US for anything, im thank full because they helped us alot

 

[Big Smoothy]

Here are some verses from the Quran:

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55"

 

[007]

Now go back and research them fully and truely understand that "fight" which means jihad is not used once to mean a war, but a struggle for God. That struggle is by no means a war, but a struggle within oneself. Also go back and read the verses before and after each one of these and you will realize that they are particular to an event (such as breaking of a treaty). Don't be ignorant and just go off do a search on the web and post it here. All of these are taken out of context.

Here are some verses from the Quran:

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55"

 

[Big Smoothy]

Now go back and research them fully and truely understand that "fight" which means jihad is not used once to mean a war, but a struggle for God. That struggle is by no means a war, but a struggle within oneself. Also go back and read the verses before and after each one of these and you will realize that they are particular to an event (such as breaking of a treaty). Don't be ignorant and just go off do a search on the web and post it here. All of these are taken out of context.

You can dance around semantics all you want.

Another Muslim told me that the transliterations were "incorrect."

 

[007]

First of all a transliteration is arabic written in english letters. You mean translation. Translation is very tricky because you can't translate many arabic words don't have an english equivalent therefore translation is not accurate. For a person to truely understand the quran they would have to know the arabic language very very well.
Secondly take anyone of those verses and I will debate you on the meaning and how it is taken out of context. It is not semantics. Its basic misquoting.

for example your post said "Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause."

Well verse 2:273 is
"(Alms are) for the poor who are straitened for the cause of Allah, who cannot travel in the land (for trade). The unthinking man accounteth them wealthy because of their restraint. Thou shalt know them by their mark: They do not beg of men with importunity. And whatsoever good thing ye spend, lo! Allah knoweth it. "

Does that have anything to do with FIGHTING, its talking about charity.

The next quote you posted "Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96)."

Well here is the verse "Degrees of rank from Him, and forgiveness and mercy. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful."

If you read the verses before and after and read the tasfeer(interperatation) then you would have know that this was revealed when the muslims had to migrate from Mecca to Madina because of oppression after they settled in Madina then were going back to reclaim their land. This was revealed to encourage them to fight for it.

This was by no means a blanked statement that says fight for Allah against innocent people.

What you are doing is exactly what the extremist muslims do. They read the text literally and without knowledge of history or knowing why.



For example:

You can dance around semantics all you want.

Another Muslim told me that the transliterations were "incorrect."

 

[Dale Mabry]

Christians are indeed responsible for much blood shed but it has always been to defeat evils

This brings to mind a couple of good quotes.

Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she's a witch?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: ...I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!


The Witch: I'm not a witch I'm not a witch!
Sir Bedevere: But you a dressed like one
The Witch: They dressed me up like this!
Crowd: we didn't! We didn't...
The Witch: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
Sir Bedevere: [lifts up her flase nose] Well
Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose.
Sir Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant 1: And the hat, but she is a witch!
Crowd: Yeah Burn her burn her!
Sir Bedevere: Did you dress her up like this?
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 3: No!
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 1: Yes!
Peasant 2: Yes!
Peasant 1: Yeah a Bit
Peasant 3: A bit!
Peasant 1, Peasant 2: A bit!
Peasant 2: a bit
Peasant 1: But she has got a wart!
Random Person in the crowd: *cough* *cough*

 

[Nick+]

 

[SuperFlex]

This brings to mind a couple of good quotes.

Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she's a witch?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: ...I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!


The Witch: I'm not a witch I'm not a witch!
Sir Bedevere: But you a dressed like one
The Witch: They dressed me up like this!
Crowd: we didn't! We didn't...
The Witch: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
Sir Bedevere: [lifts up her flase nose] Well
Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose.
Sir Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant 1: And the hat, but she is a witch!
Crowd: Yeah Burn her burn her!
Sir Bedevere: Did you dress her up like this?
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 3: No!
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 1: Yes!
Peasant 2: Yes!
Peasant 1: Yeah a Bit
Peasant 3: A bit!
Peasant 1, Peasant 2: A bit!
Peasant 2: a bit
Peasant 1: But she has got a wart!
Random Person in the crowd: *cough* *cough*

Aaaaaa ok... I wish we could still burn witches! Oh that's right, we do.......

 

[Big Smoothy]

Mohammed who claimed to be a "prophet" was a fraud, and the god he claimed to represent Allah, were both evil incarnate.

Muslims throw acid in the faces of women for not wearing veils.

In Islam, a women is just barely above the status of a dog, and Muslims hate dogs.

 

[bio-chem]

wow your amazing. with absolutely no knowlege of islam you make such a blanket statement. grow up.

 

[Big Smoothy]

wow your amazing. with absolutely no knowlege of islam you make such a blanket statement. grow up.

I took a course on Islam in college. I have a copy of the Quran at home and I worked with Muslims for a year.

 

[007]

I see you can't have an intellgent conversation. Your not even worth the effort.
Grow up.

Mohammed who claimed to be a "prophet" was a fraud, and the god he claimed to represent Allah, were both evil incarnate.

Muslims throw acid in the faces of women for not wearing veils.

In Islam, a women is just barely above the status of a dog, and Muslims hate dogs.

 

[007]

That makes you a scholar on the subject?
I have a copy of the bible, went to a church, lived in a christian country for 31 years, and worked with christians for 15 years. Does that make me knowledgable about christianity. No...

I took a course on Islam in college. I have a copy of the Quran at home and I worked with Muslims for a year.

 

[GFR]

I took a course on Islam in college. I have a copy of the Quran at home and I worked with Muslims for a year.

Don't sweat that fool, he posts crap all day with 0 facts to back it up. And on the off chance he posts any research source it is always Fox news or like ilk, or some crap funded by the religious right......and when you take the time to quote the Bible or some other Religious book Bio just pretends it has another secret meaning only he can interpret.

 

[seven11]

snafu ur an idiot.... you say muslims do that muslims do this, but your just talking bout people from different countries, you have to understand that that is their culture that is how they were raised its not islam, its just what their laws are. Again there so millions of muslims that would never harm anyone and alot of peace full country that really follow the religion. but there are people like that that kill and do bad stuff but say its in the name of allah just for an excuse

 

[bio-chem]

I took a course on Islam in college. I have a copy of the Quran at home and I worked with Muslims for a year.

and despite all of these things your thick headedness still lets you say something as stupid as your last post

 

[bio-chem]

Don't sweat that fool, he posts crap all day with 0 facts to back it up. And on the off chance he posts any research source it is always Fox news or like ilk, or some crap funded by the religious right......and when you take the time to quote the Bible or some other Religious book Bio just pretends it has another secret meaning only he can interpret.

last thing im going to do is get in to a religious quoting experiment with this pre-adolescent

 

[GFR]

last thing im going to do is get in to a religious quoting experiment with this pre-adolescent

Its a hard knock life.

 

[Big Smoothy]

That makes you a scholar on the subject?

I never said I was a scholar on the subject.

 

[buildingup]

leave snafu alone he has better credentials than all of you muslim loving wankers put together!

 

[007]

I never said I was a scholar on the subject.

Well don't make statements like "In Islam, a women is just barely above the status of a dog, and Muslims hate dogs."
If you understood Islam you would know that in Islam women are regarded very highly. The MOST beloved women in ISLAM is Mary the Mother of Jesus. Followed by ??siyyah the caretaker of Moses.
So making a statement like not only insults Islam, but the other religons as well.

 

[buildingup]

wow ??siyyah had the best job! caretaker damn bet your working your way up to that 007! im just joking with you!

 

[Big Smoothy]

Well don't make statements like "In Islam, a women is just barely above the status of a dog, and Muslims hate dogs."
If you understood Islam you would know that in Islam women are regarded very highly. The MOST beloved women in ISLAM is Mary the Mother of Jesus. Followed by ??siyyah the caretaker of Moses.
So making a statement like not only insults Islam, but the other religons as well.

So, you believe that the god "Allah," is the same god as the Christian and Jewish god?

And that Christians and Jews are referred to as: "el al-Khitab," which translates to "people of the book?"

 

[007]

Yes...
the Christians and Jews are "ahal el-Khitab" "People of the book". And to clarify, we don't believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God. We believe he was a prophet/messenger.

So, you believe that the god "Allah," is the same god as the Christian and Jewish god?

And that Christians and Jews are referred to as: "el al-Khitab," which translates to "people of the book?"

 

[buildingup]

The word islam initself is blashemous to me! may muslims burn in hell whilst christians and jews ride the chariots of fire to the heavens!

 

[007]

I'm sorry you feel this way. I personally apologize for any Muslim(s) that would make you think this way. Events lately do not represent all Muslims or Islam. Sorry for any heartache and hope that someday you can realize the truth.

The word islam initself is blashemous to me! may muslims burn in hell whilst christians and jews ride the chariots of fire to the heavens!

 

[buildingup]

no, i couldnt care less about fundementalists, they are not my enemies but that of democracy which deserves it for trying to be imperialist in its approach. In the ten commandments it clearly states any worshipping of any god other than the God of the hebrews is a sin, so this allah is a foreign god and christians who recognise it are blasphemous!

 

[007]

Similiarly in Islam any association with Allah is called Shirk and that is blasphemous. I just don't wish people to hell, that is God decision and he guides who he wishes.

In the ten commandments it clearly states any worshipping of any god other than the God of the hebrews is a sin, so this allah is a foreign god and christians who recognise it are blasphemous!

 

[Eggs]

I have problems with all religions.. and Islam is among them. But that isnt surprising. Regardless of that, I try to treat religions with respect.

One of the things that doesn't make sense to me is that the New Testament states that Jesus Christ called himself the son of God. And indeed, I have read that myself when looking into the Bible. I haven't read the whole thing (as with the Koran, I have read some of it, but not all), and perhaps I am naieve, but I take exception with one of those religions. For if the New Testament states that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and Islam states that he is not, but that he is a prophet... then what sense is there to be made of that?

So either Jesus is a liar and a bad man, or Islam is incorrect in its assessment of the diety of Jesus Christ. Could you explain to me which you think would be the more correct of those statements? And of course, your reason for believing so.

 

[buildingup]

islam is liar, no other way of explaining it!