black history month

[T_man]

and by this logic the American people would be know about what you speak.

You are not born with information available in your country. By this logic you should be able to perform brain surgery, be a lecturer in English literature with a specialisation in shakespeare, and be able to create an electron microscope, just because the information is in your country.

"Seek and you shall find" - same goes for information.

 

[T_man]

And this is America's fault how?

That part isn't. The culture that has been bred into Africa just means everybody is out to get money for themselves and themselves alone.

 

[DOMS]

That part isn't.

So what part is?

 

[T_man]

Saddam killed = couple of thousands?

car bombs and rebel violence = nearing millions my country killed?

you are woefully uninformed my friend.

Okay maybe I under-exxagerated Saddam's death toll. But maybe if you'd stop seeing what I write the way you want you'd realise that I stated that the US (and UK as well) have killed hundreds of thousands, nearing millions. These are as a direct result. And this was for the benefit of their country, the benefit being car bombs and rebel violence and regional tensions.

Looks like your attempt at trying to make me look bad backfired. Again.

 

[T_man]

So what part is?

The part of the paying-off, for something that I don't know in which way will benefit Kenya. Maybe the export of tea and coffee.

 

[T_man]

Like I said before, everyone thinks they're the only ones with honest reporting...

We are all guilty of it. Everybody sees "the truth" as the truth is only as much was what you know.

 

[bio-chem]

the irony is that we dismembered an evil secular Baath leader , placed a democracy so the shiites can now gain controll of iraq, we have now tipped the balance of powers against sunnis in that region, shiite iran is creaming in their pants that their neighbor is now shiite, it's no wonder they have become more emboldened, an get this......shiites have a growing powerfull sect that the insane president of iran belongs to who believe the twelfth iman will come when mankind ushers in armegeddon! This is the ruling party we want to put in Iraq!

It is america's complete ignorance of the differences between shiite and sunnis, in all fairness no less than can be expected of a muslim to appreciate the difference between protestants and catholics in shaping the balance of power in old europe

lets for a second hypothetically explore the notion that the US never got involved in Iraq. we never supported a dictator, and we never overthrew him. we let Iraq choose their own form of government without interference from the get go. would the US be safer? would the region be safer? would the Iraqi people be safer? what do you think, would we get Egypt, or Lebanon? Afghanistan, or United Arab Emirates?

 

[T_man]

This always happens. Dicussions always stray far from the point they started at. I'd lying in stating that I didn't have an involvement in it though

 

[DOMS]

The part of the paying-off, for something that I don't know in which way will benefit Kenya. Maybe the export of tea and coffee.

So, the part that's the US' fault is offering the Kenyan government concessions not to drill? That's like saying it's "my fault" that I pay rent on a house.

 

[Dark Geared God]

is it true asian chicks have horizontal pussies? I've never seen one .. . .

+ 2

i love PI

 

[T_man]

lets for a second hypothetically explore the notion that the US never got involved in Iraq. we never supported a dictator, and we never overthrew him. we let Iraq choose their own form of government without interference from the get go. would the US be safer? would the region be safer? would the Iraqi people be safer? what do you think, would we get Egypt, or Lebanon? Afghanistan, or United Arab Emirates?

I don't think the safety of the US was ever directly an Issue.

As for the rest, it had been such a long running thing that it surely cannot be known what the outcome would have been.

 

[DOMS]

We are all guilty of it. Everybody sees "the truth" as the truth is only as much was what you know.

Which sort of invalidates your insinuation that, being American, that I don't know the reality of the US' involvements around the world.

 

[bio-chem]

Okay maybe I under-exxagerated Saddam's death toll. But maybe if you'd stop seeing what I write the way you want you'd realise that I stated that the US (and UK as well) have killed hundreds of thousands, nearing millions. These are as a direct result. And this was for the benefit of their country, the benefit being car bombs and rebel violence and regional tensions.

Looks like your attempt at trying to make me look bad backfired. Again.

I don't need to make you look bad. you do that all by yourself.

regional tensions were a part of Iraq before the US was ever involved. blaming the US for that is asinine. I also think it is stupid blaming the US for Iraqi's killing Iraqi's, but that's just me.

 

[T_man]

Which sort of invalidates your insinuation that, being American, that I don't know the reality of the US' involvements around the world.

When I made the statement about your probably not knowing the full truths about your government, it wasn't because you were American. It was just because you seemed to be fully supporting your government. I personally, will never fully support any government, except maybe the Qatarian one, or a country that has no relations with any other countries.

 

[T_man]

So, the part that's the US' fault is offering the Kenyan government concessions not to drill? That's like saying it's "my fault" that I pay rent on a house.

Call it a gun to the head. If someone makes you commit a crime with a gun to your head, you're responsible for doing it but you had to do it for the benefit of your body, or country. If he then sugarcoats it with giving you a small part of the gains, it doesn't remove his influence on you.

Imagine if Kenya did drill and extracted the oil against the US' will and there was a break in relations and the US had tension with Kenya. It would look bad for the US due to the reasoning. Therefore they sugarcoated the thing with some bribes for the highups to keep a lid on it.

 

[DOMS]

When I made the statement about your probably not knowing the full truths about your government, it wasn't because you were American. It was just because you seemed to be fully supporting your government. I personally, will never fully support any government, except maybe the Qatarian one, or a country that has no relations with any other countries.

Where did get the impression that I fully support my government? I can't even stand the current president.

I do however, believe that my country is one of the better ones.

 

[T_man]

I don't need to make you look bad. you do that all by yourself.

regional tensions were a part of Iraq before the US was ever involved. blaming the US for that is asinine. I also think it is stupid blaming the US for Iraqi's killing Iraqi's, but that's just me.

Lol? Okay, let me make this a bit more simple. I'll give you a situation of aggressive dogs. Put them together and they'll fight to the death. It might be their fault for killing each other but its you who put them together.
Mike Vick & dog fighting, anyone?

 

[T_man]

Where did get the impression that I fully support my government? I can't even stand the current president.

I do however, believe that my country is one of the better ones.

It seemed so. Just how it seemed I was making the statement just because you were American.

That's cos he's black isn't it

He's better than that bush fag anyways. Can't believe he ran two terms with no dirty work.

 

[bio-chem]

I don't think the safety of the US was ever directly an Issue.

had you been an American who went through 9-11 you might have felt differently.

Both parties in our government who saw our intelligence agreed that Iraq was a threat. (remember that these parties don't agree on anything).

As it appears now the intelligence was wrong, but I don't feel the government knew that at the time. all of humanity must make choices based upon the available information of the time. I don't blame the president or congress for choosing to go in Iraq and removing an evil dictator on par with hitler.

 

[T_man]

Good night homos. Been nice chatting. But my bed is calling me at 4:21 AM.

 

[bio-chem]

Lol? Okay, let me make this a bit more simple. I'll give you a situation of aggressive dogs. Put them together and they'll fight to the death. It might be their fault for killing each other but its you who put them together.
Mike Vick & dog fighting, anyone?

so its better that the Iraqi's lived under a dictator who murdered them?

I can't believe I'm arguing with a guy who is living under the protection and benefiting from the opportunities that the evil western world provides.

 

[T_man]

had you been an American who went through 9-11 you might have felt differently.

Both parties in our government who saw our intelligence agreed that Iraq was a threat. (remember that these parties don't agree on anything).

As it appears now the intelligence was wrong, but I don't feel the government knew that at the time. all of humanity must make choices based upon the available information of the time. I don't blame the president or congress for choosing to go in Iraq and removing an evil dictator on par with hitler.

OKay honestly I was saddened with 9-11 and I'm sad such a tragedy could occur.

But the person behind it was funded by the US government in the past. Guess it came back to bite you in the back.

 

[T_man]

so its better that the Iraqi's lived under a dictator who murdered them?

I can't believe I'm arguing with a guy who is living under the protection and benefiting from the opportunities that the evil western world provides.

what can I say? I never came here out of choice.

Let me speak on something I have experience in. Kenya had a dictator before who killed people who even spoke badly of him. However it was a nice place and also safe.

However now, even though the security in the capital is much better, with the new president things like corruption, police-related crimes and things that weren't a problem before, are much more rife.

There is a price for "freedom".

 

[bio-chem]

But the person behind it was funded by the US government in the past. Guess it came back to bite you in the back.

Care to show me where we funded osama? we helped fund the fighters against the soviet union in afghanistan, of which osama was a part, but we didn't fund osama.

 

[T_man]

Care to show me where we funded osama? we helped fund the fighters against the soviet union in afghanistan, of which osama was a part, but we didn't fund osama.

He wasn't funded for the attacks. Well I don't have any documentation to show it. But the snowball started rolling when the US funded him to help fight the soviet union. Sort of like a grenade that was thrown too close.

 

[Dark Geared God]

so its better that the Iraqi's lived under a dictator who murdered them?

I can't believe I'm arguing with a guy who is living under the protection and benefiting from the opportunities that the evil western world provides.

well he's the kind of guy that doesn't mind getting thrown in a woodchipper..

 

[bio-chem]

what can I say? I never came here out of choice.

Let me speak on something I have experience in. Kenya had a dictator before who killed people who even spoke badly of him. However it was a nice place and also safe.

However now, even though the security in the capital is much better, with the new president things like corruption, police-related crimes and things that weren't a problem before, are much more rife.

There is a price for "freedom".

Ben Franklin once said "those who would sacrifice a bit of their liberty for a little bit of security deserve neither liberty nor security"

 

[bio-chem]

He wasn't funded for the attacks. Well I don't have any documentation to show it. But the snowball started rolling when the US funded him to help fight the soviet union. Sort of like a grenade that was thrown too close.

we didn't fund osama. you do know he was independently wealthy right? the mans father was a billionaire

 

[bio-chem]

well he's the kind of guy that doesn't mind getting thrown in a woodchipper..

now you are using two coffee icons. nice. lol'd

 

[Tesla]