Bodybuilding without supplements

[Mahesh]

Hi all

I'm new to the group.
Just wanted to know if anyone can recommend a decent post workout food to pack on some more muscle.
I've been training for the past 10 years now and decided to come off supplements completely. I'm eating a lot more food now, but in the long term I believe it will be healthier as you dont know what the long term effects of supplementation are.
I currently eating 5 egg whites one whole egg and some brown rice about 30 mins after my workout. Straight after my workout I drink about 3/4 pint of orange juice for simple carbs & a banana.
I currently stand at 5ft8, a small frame with the following stats @ 12% bodyfat.

12 stone 2
16.5 inch biceps
44 chest
32 waist
16.5 neck
23 quads

I would like to get upto the 13 stone mark & drop my bf to around 8% and on my small frame I would look a lot bigger in proportion to someone with a large frame @ 13 stone.

I look forward to any suggestions.
Cheers
Mahesh

 

[Twin Peak]

I would just have 20 ounces of skim milk. Then an hour later, have the brown rice and some chicken, tuna or eggs.

Its not ideal, but it will be fine.

 

[Mahesh]

Thanks for your reply Twin Peak, I will bear that in mind. I have however managed to source a good whey protein powder from a company called Neways. All their products are made from natural ingredients and non carcenagenic (ie. non cancer causing & chemical free) so I will prob throw in two scoops of their Whey to speed up the recovery process.
Cheers

 

[Arnold]

I would just have 20 ounces of skim milk. Then an hour later, have the brown rice and some chicken, tuna or eggs.

Its not ideal, but it will be fine.

interesting...why wouldn't you recommend the eggs immediately PW?

 

[Flakko]

interesting...why wouldn't you recommend the eggs immediately PW?

True

 

[topolo]

IMO, one cannot make gains without supplements. They allow you to have a poor diet and a lousy training regimen and still get big and strong.

 

[Flakko]

IMO, one cannot make gains without supplements. They allow you to have a poor diet and a lousy training regimen and still get big and strong.

True

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

IMO, one cannot make gains without supplements. They allow you to have a poor diet and a lousy training regimen and still get big and strong.

Not me...

 

[fufu]

IMO, one cannot make gains without supplements. They allow you to have a poor diet and a lousy training regimen and still get big and strong.

I disagree!!

 

[Nick+]

IMO, one cannot make gains without supplements. They allow you to have a poor diet and a lousy training regimen and still get big and strong.

 

[Martinogdenbsx]

I disagree!!

Agreed

Even with a lousy diet but you are using some supplements yes you may grow slightly but i believe the gains will be small,without proper diet your body is not getting the EFA's,vitamins and minerals and other important nutrients for your body to function and GROW

 

[assassin]

IMO, one cannot make gains without supplements. They allow you to have a poor diet and a lousy training regimen and still get big and strong.

i disagree 100%

 

[topolo]

OH, I thought supps were all you needed

 

[Luke95]

interesting...why wouldn't you recommend the eggs immediately PW?

Sorry Rob, not sure if you were joking here?

Stress hampers digestion. The Glucocorticoids released under stress divert blood flow from digestion related organs. Eggs take quite a bit of energy to breakdown. As a complex protein, it requires many many enzymes and activation processes, most of which will all be hamped from the stress of the workout. IMHO, I would even be weary of milk PWO. (skim or not)

I like to stick with my 10-15g of a simple carb. Does great by me, and helps me keep my BG pretty level as well.

 

[juggernaut]

I would just have 20 ounces of skim milk. Then an hour later, have the brown rice and some chicken, tuna or eggs.

Its not ideal, but it will be fine.

twin peak, what if the guy is lactose intolerant as I am. I am interested in finding an alternative to whey once in a while and I cant stomach eggs.

 

[Luke95]

Everybody is lactose intolerant to a degree. Lactose is made of Glucose + galactose. No human being can really breakdown Galactose.

 

[juggernaut]

so that means I should suffer thru some seriuously disgusting farts?

 

[Luke95]

so that means I should suffer thru some seriuously disgusting farts?

Why would you wanna do that? lol

 

[juggernaut]

from your orginal post-becuase everyone is a little LI. I cant stomach my farts-they make me wanna puke my lower intestine out.

 

[Luke95]

from your orginal post-becuase everyone is a little LI. I cant stomach my farts-they make me wanna puke my lower intestine out.

I was suggesting more along the lines of peole NOT consuming milk (or so much of it) I deffinately wouldn't drink milk PWO. But that's just me.

 

[juggernaut]

i probably havent drunken milk in ten years. Only whey. And if I get the wrong kind......omifriggingoddddd.....

 

[Luke95]

i probably havent drunken milk in ten years. Only whey. And if I get the wrong kind......omifriggingoddddd.....

I hear ya... I have problems too. Cheese and/or yogurt... will ruin a hot date for me really quick.

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

Ew?

But I was told not to use supplements unless you stop seeing gains for all natural or start slowing. What are your opinions on this?

 

[Luke95]

Ew?

But I was told not to use supplements unless you stop seeing gains for all natural or start slowing. What are your opinions on this?

What are you considering a supplement?

IMHO, EVERYBODY should be using/ expirementing with water Soluable vitamins (C, B's (B6 and folic acid at least)) and minerals. I would never consider these supplements. They are essential for cellular metabolism. And the more you eat, the more you need them!

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

I consider supplements, things that don't come naturally. Vitamins although in pill form are a part of nature. NO2, tribulus, creatine, are usually synthetically created which means they were made in a laboratory using chemicals. Vitamins and minerals are usually extracts from food, and I don't consider them supplements, but food nowadays is much more nutrient deficient compared to the food a while ago, so one must supplement vitamins. I'm sure Nitrix, Cellmass, Super Pump, was all made with chemicals although it works very well. I'm only 19, and people tell me I shouldn't bother with supps, but I feel so left out when everything else is doing them and seeing great gains.

 

[Luke95]

NO2, tribulus, creatine, are usually synthetically created which means they were made in a laboratory using chemicals

You couldn't be more incorrect sir.

No2 is Arginine (a non esstential amino acid that is in the structure of almost any protein containing food you consume)

Tribulus is a natural herb.

Creatine is naturally made in your liver!

Also note that we all have different balances of Creatine and Arginine/lysine in us. So which one of us is more "natural" ?

but I feel so left out when everything else is doing them and seeing great gains.

Dont feel left out. I don't do any of them either buddy.

 

[topolo]

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[Flakko]

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Yeah, what's up with that thing?

 

[aussieboy]

This topic is one of the best I have seen. Personally, I am an advocate for training WITHOUT supplements. Although the use of supplements relates directly to how everybody is different, I feel as if people rely on them. THE BODY WILL ONLY USE SO MUCH! Although i dont train anymore, when I was 17 i weigheh 60 KG. 3 months later I was 75KG and no supplements. Its all about balance, enjoying your food and knowing what your eating! I mean if you take creatine supplements, do you actually know what is happening? Every singular muscle contraction uses energy in the form of ATP.. this turns into ADP which uses CP to create ATP... these molecules are all naturally made in the body and you have enough of them with a good diet. CP (creatine phosphate) can be restored with red and lean meat. Generally that initial buzz you get from creatine supplements like NO-xplode, is just the caffiene

 

[samwoods622]

Hello Friends,
Is there anybody who will give me the answer of my question..... My Question is "Is it possible to Build a Body without taking any supplement? " Waiting for reply.....

Thanks in Advanced