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Standing for the millions not the millionaires
Election manifesto 2005
No cuts! No privatisation???

It doesn???t have to be like this??? Britain is a rich country

New Labour has plenty of money to spend on war and helping its rich friends:

Since Tony Blair came to power the wealth of the top 1% has doubled from £355 billion to £797 billion ??? more than the government spends in five years on education, the NHS and housing combined!
 
ForemanRules said:
Definition: The net official development assistance (ODA) from Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) nations to developing countries and multilateral organizations. ODA is defined as financial assistance that is concessional in character, has the main objective to promote economic development and welfare of the less developed countries (LDCs), and contains a grant element of at least 25%. The entry does not cover other official flows (OOF) or private flows. Per capita figures expressed per 1 population.


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2. Norway $304.80 per person
3. Denmark $300.05 per person
4. Netherlands $243.79 per person
5. Sweden $188.85 per person
6. Switzerland $146.87 per person
7. Belgium $103.43 per person
8. France $89.02 per person
9. Finland $72.55 per person
10. Ireland $70.47 per person
11. United Kingdom $69.48 per person
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15. Canada $60.96 per person
16. Australia $44.49 per person
17. Spain $32.96 per person
18. Portugal $25.64 per person
19. New Zealand $24.70 per person
20. United States $23.33 per person
21. Italy $17.21 per person
22. Lesotho $0 per person
23. United Arab Emirates $0 per person
24. Saudi Arabia $0 per person
25. Korea, South $0 per person

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now do it by total regardless of population.
 
socialism wow, next stop communism, or better yet facism
 
bio-chem said:
now do it by total regardless of population.
Do you remember the story in the Bible about the widow giving a penny or two to the church and what Jesus said???

I think you missed that lesson........its very clear you will try to twist any fact to suit your beliefs...Jesus would be ashamed of you :finger:
 
bio-chem said:
socialism wow, next stop communism, or better yet facism sp.
Do you even know what Fascism is???? If you did you would know that America is only a step away from it. ;)
 
ForemanRules said:
Do you remember the story in the Bible about the widow giving a penny or two to the church and what Jesus said???

I think you missed that lesson........its very clear you will try to twist any fact to suit your beliefs...Jesus would be ashamed of you :finger:
of shut up. thats a load of crap comming from you. im not twisting anything. i just asked for you to post total amounts regardless of population. the fact that your not willing to shows your twisting things. your such a boner why not do something constructive with your life instead of spending hours on end here at IM posting countless threads on why you hate your own country. your are now officially 2nd only to john h on people who are natural born idiots that waste everyone elses time here on IM. i dont care about the fact that we disagree but to listen to you paint anyone that disagrees with you as a racist, bigot, or homophobic neo-conservative got old about 9000 posts ago. your like the fucking uni-bomber with your warped sense of the world. damn this forum was so much better before you got here. people could actually have decent discussions.
 
bio-chem said:
of shut up. thats a load of crap comming from you It came from the Bible not me. I'm not twisting anything. i just asked for you to post total amounts regardless of population. the fact that your not willing to shows your twisting things. No it shows how once again you are trying to make things look different then the truth....pathetic your such a boner why not do something constructive with your life instead of spending hours on end here at IM posting countless threads on why you hate your own country.That is some nice talk coming from a Christian your are now officially 2nd only to john h on people who are natural born idiots that waste everyone elses time here on IM. i dont care about the fact that we disagree but to listen to you paint anyone that disagrees with you as a racist, bigot, or homophobic neo-conservative I never did that, you are talking in circles again got old about 9000 posts ago. your like the fucking uni-bomber with your warped sense of the world. damn this forum was so much better before you got here. people could actually have decent discussions.

You are a sad human being, I feel very sorry for you and wish that some day you learn to love instead of hating everything.
 
Foreman socialism will not work in the US..for one obvious reason...A peson in the U.S. needs to provide for themselves. We do not really help the poor. We stand on their back. we always have. our country was built on the poor (or slaves) back. irish, chinese, italian, russian, black...anything but a White Anglo-Saxson Protestant. WASPy culture has, still is, and always will run this country. Yes it may be a bit wrong, but thats life. If you cannot beat them join'em...or leave...or sit here and fight a futile fight.
 
lnvanry said:
Foreman socialism will not work in the US..for one obvious reason...A peson in the U.S. needs to provide for themselves. We do not really help the poor. We stand on their back. we always have. our country was built on the poor (or slaves) back. irish, chinese, italian, russian, black...anything but a White Anglo-Saxson Protestant. WASPy culture has, still is, and always will run this country. Yes it may be a bit wrong, but thats life. If you cannot beat them join'em...or leave...or sit here and fight a futile fight.
Great post, I agree 100%..
 
foreman is it reallt "Bush's" rotten capitalist society or "our" rotten society....i am sure his five years in office isn't the seed of our greed.

the seed of greed came w/ us after WWII...oh wait actually the seed came from our settlers w/ the british. The biritish started the WASP
 
Now we are the child country who has out done his or her parent.
 
lnvanry said:
foreman is it reallt "Bush's" rotten capitalist society or "our" rotten society....i am sure his five years in office isn't the seed of our greed.

the seed of greed came w/ us after WWII...oh wait actually the seed came from our settlers w/ the british. The biritish started the WASP
Bush is responsable for 1 or 2% of it, I blame most of the leaders of this country from day one.
 
This thread really showed the true colors of some of the people here.....very sad that we have so many racists on this site who think its ok to make racist bigoted remarks and whats even more sad is the people who defend it.
Its funny but every one who defended this uneducated and evil racism was a Christian Republican....calling blatant racist remarks facts is beyond contempt.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=53451
 
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Standing for the millions not the millionaires
Election manifesto 2005
No cuts! No privatisation???

It doesn???t have to be like this??? Britain is a rich country

New Labour has plenty of money to spend on war and helping its rich friends:

Since Tony Blair came to power the wealth of the top 1% has doubled from £355 billion to £797 billion ??? more than the government spends in five years on education, the NHS and housing combined!

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Was it tens of thousand killed By Bush's Hurricane Katrina? Or was it just a few hundred? I bet you could find a real good deal on never used body bags on the gulf coast............ :p ...........Uncle Rich.... :wave:
 
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^^ thats what i want to add to this
 
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ForemanRules said:
This thread really showed the true colors of some of the people here.....very sad that we have so many racists on this site who think its ok to make racist bigoted remarks and whats even more sad is the people who defend it.
Its funny but every one who defended this uneducated and evil racism was a Christian Republican....calling blatant racist remarks facts is beyond contempt.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=53451

I never defended anything. I started out in that thread saying "i may have missed a thread, but I don't think he's a racist." After the examples you provided, I conceded that he did appear to be a racist.

I did not agree with the manner you went about calling him out on it. You challenged me to find a scenario where you made fun of a group of people... but you tacked on "by choice"..,. implying that your incessant ridicule of Republicans and/or Religious people was OK.

This is hypocritical. I have never & will never defend racism. You, however, always take the opportunity to make fun of religous people, call us slaves, etc. & you have the audacity to call me a racist.

Please, Foreman.. explain how you can grandstand about being the anti-racist, yet ridicule people of faith or a different political view. Racism is ugly... it attacks people for simply being who they are. I see no difference in what you are doing.

What makes your case even more unique is that on several occasions,you have said that you were formerly a devout Christian. It disgusts me that you claim to have lost your faith & are now seemingly intent on destroying other people's. I feel sorry for your lack of faith, but why such hatred now? Shouldn't there be at least some level of understanding?

I do agree with what you said, though. I was acting in an immature manner in that thread. I grew angry & as I often do, let my temper get the best of me. I threw insults & anything I could, which only angered me more. For that, I do apologize. I don't want another argument here, and I'm intent on not getting angry... just refrain from calling me a defender of racism: this is simply not true.
 
The problem isn't just Bush; the entire system is designed to benefit a few and keep the rest of us living from paycheck to paycheck. Capitalism is a system responsible for war, poverty and environmental destruction. We need a socialist society based on workers' needs, not corporate greed.

Yes,yes, this system woked well in the Soviet Republics!
 
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Come on Foreman really? If this system worked like it is penned out on paper then all of the world leaders would be pursuing it with vigor! Capital systems promote competition and that is why they flourish. People who can't, or choose not to compete fall behind and get less. They are the first ones to begin to cry foul! The world is not equal, it is fair, but never ever equal. It parrallels the saying.........."its not whether you win or loose it is how you play the game".................. Guess who made that saying up? A LOOSER!!!!
 
Socialism hahahaha. In one thread he calls anyone who likes the capitalist system slaves to the rich/powerful. Yet he'd love us all to be slaves to the government. Which is exactly what socialism is.

Socialism blows. You like socialism so much? Go to Norway/Denmark/Sweden, wherever, and go give a disgusting amount of your paycheck to the government. In America, everyone has far more freedoms and choices than in other countries, I for one, think I can choose the best way to spend my money, not politicians.

Condemning the political system in America, but in the same breath wanting to turn over control of everyone's lifes to the government (RUN BY POLITICIANS) ahahahahahah.
 
ForemanRules said:
This thread really showed the true colors of some of the people here.....very sad that we have so many racists on this site who think its ok to make racist bigoted remarks and whats even more sad is the people who defend it.
Its funny but every one who defended this uneducated and evil racism was a Christian Republican....calling blatant racist remarks facts is beyond contempt.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=53451


I stuck up for the statement, "Blacks don't care about themselves." or whatever. Doesn't sound racist to me, not anymore than saying , "whites shouldn't use black slang." I don't think either is a racist remark. I think people have different takes on what is racist and I am more lenient than most. And I am an agnostic who is in the middle political-wise, but I am a cracker too so I guess I am less affected by racism being in the more dominant race (at least for now).
 
Rich46yo said:
Was it tens of thousand killed By Bush's Hurricane Katrina? Or was it just a few hundred? I bet you could find a real good deal on never used body bags on the gulf coast............ :p ...........Uncle Rich.... :wave:


How many beers and bags of ice will fit into a body bag?
 
busyLivin said:
I never defended anything. I started out in that thread saying "i may have missed a thread, but I don't think he's a racist." After the examples you provided, I conceded that he did appear to be a racist.

I did not agree with the manner you went about calling him out on it. You challenged me to find a scenario where you made fun of a group of people... but you tacked on "by choice"..,. implying that your incessant ridicule of Republicans and/or Religious people was OK.

This is hypocritical. I have never & will never defend racism. You, however, always take the opportunity to make fun of religous people, call us slaves, etc. & you have the audacity to call me a racist.

Please, Foreman.. explain how you can grandstand about being the anti-racist, yet ridicule people of faith or a different political view. Racism is ugly... it attacks people for simply being who they are. I see no difference in what you are doing.

What makes your case even more unique is that on several occasions,you have said that you were formerly a devout Christian. It disgusts me that you claim to have lost your faith & are now seemingly intent on destroying other people's. I feel sorry for your lack of faith, but why such hatred now? Shouldn't there be at least some level of understanding?

I do agree with what you said, though. I was acting in an immature manner in that thread. I grew angry & as I often do, let my temper get the best of me. I threw insults & anything I could, which only angered me more. For that, I do apologize. I don't want another argument here, and I'm intent on not getting angry... just refrain from calling me a defender of racism: this is simply not true.
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Dale Mabry said:
I stuck up for the statement, "Blacks don't care about themselves." or whatever. Doesn't sound racist to me, not anymore than saying , "whites shouldn't use black slang." I don't think either is a racist remark. I think people have different takes on what is racist and I am more lenient than most. And I am an agnostic who is in the middle political-wise, but I am a cracker too so I guess I am less affected by racism being in the more dominant race (at least for now).
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Roll your eyes all you want, wea re all allowed to have our own opinions, just as you are. While it is most definitely a negative statement, it is not racist. Do you think that Kanye statement about white people and slang is racist?
 
Dale Mabry said:
Roll your eyes all you want, wea re all allowed to have our own opinions, just as you are. While it is most definitely a negative statement, it is not racist. Do you think that Kanye statement about white people and slang is racist?
No, but it was ignorant. In my mind ignorance and racism run neck and neck.
 
devildog88 said:
The problem isn't just Bush; the entire system is designed to benefit a few and keep the rest of us living from paycheck to paycheck. Capitalism is a system responsible for war, poverty and environmental destruction. We need a socialist society based on workers' needs, not corporate greed.

Yes,yes, this system woked well in the Soviet Republics!
That was a dictatorship not Communism.....just like Cuba...a dictatorship.
:rolleyes:
 
Dale Mabry said:
Roll your eyes all you want, wea re all allowed to have our own opinions, just as you are. While it is most definitely a negative statement, it is not racist. Do you think that Kanye statement about white people and slang is racist? I would bet the farm that hates white men
nigga please :rolleyes:
 
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