ive not seen anything that shows that
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Caster Semenya, forced to take gender test, is a woman...and a man
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ive not seen anything that shows that
May not be so far off , in my world, a transgender downhill mountain biker has won several canadian downhill mountain bike championships , Michelle Dumaresq... she used to be a guy.Michelle Dumaresq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
according to the link the olympic committee does allow transexuals to compete if they are two years past "hormonal makeover"....
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so do you really think her mother was not told when she was born that she was a hermaphrodite?
when a baby is born a hermaphrodite the doctors ask the parents if they want to raise the baby as a boy or girl and then they can have the necessary genital surgeries to accommodate this. By the age of 18 don't you think this girl would be wondering why she never had a period and her parents would have let her know that she is a hermaphrodite and can never have children because she has no ovaries?
get real.
You bring up a good point, it makes me wonder about women who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia , an enzyme deficiency that cause a woman's adrenal glands to overproduce male hormones, ( they can be 2-3 times that of normal women) but are 100% genetically female. Many have the disorder diagnosed as children but some called, late classical cah, grow into adulthood without it being diagnosed unless she complains of fertility or menstrual problems. It is not an uncommon problem either.
I'm pretty sure some hermaphrodites have periods and even get pregnant.
she told You Magazine, which ran a photo spread.
"I don't want to talk about the testes. I'm not even thinking about them."
Maybe she's a chimera?
This is another case:
Edinanci Fernandes da Silva (born August 23, 1976 in Sousa, Paraíba) is a judoka from Brazil, who won the gold medal in the half heavyweight division (– 78 kg) at the Pan American Games. A resident of São Paulo, she represented the country at three consecutive Summer Olympics, starting in 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia.
Edinanci was born with both male and female sex organs. In the mid-1990s she had surgery, in order to live and compete as a woman.[1]
"I don't want to talk about the testes. I'm not even thinking about them."
Maybe she's a chimera?
This is another case:
Edinanci Fernandes da Silva (born August 23, 1976 in Sousa, Paraíba) is a judoka from Brazil, who won the gold medal in the half heavyweight division (– 78 kg) at the Pan American Games. A resident of São Paulo, she represented the country at three consecutive Summer Olympics, starting in 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia.
Edinanci was born with both male and female sex organs. In the mid-1990s she had surgery, in order to live and compete as a woman.[1]
okay, but this "girl" has no ovaries or uterus, I am not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure its impossible for her menstruate.
and your point is?
The average level of daily physical activity has also been shown to affect timing of puberty, especially female. A high level of exercise, whether for athletic or body image purposes, or for daily subsistence, reduces energy calories available for reproduction and slows puberty. The exercise effect is often amplified by a lower body fat mass and cholesterol.
a woman must reach a certain body fat percentage to begin menstruation is my understanding. it might just be my untrained eye (im sure you would be a better judge prince) but this girl seems to have a very low body fat percentage. seemingly too low for menstruation. don't women who body build loose their periods as well?
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Semenya was born in Ga-Masehlong, a village in South Africa near Polokwane.
yes i really think her mother was not told. have you ever been to a third world country? i doubt they checked this girl when she was born to see if she had ovaries. do they check otherwise healthy newborn girls here in the US for ovaries?
Get real
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Nor do i see anything that doesnt.
I see your point, didn't read the article too closely.
However, at the same time many elite female athletes physiologically can approach a state similar to the female athletic triad, where they train so much and have such low percentage body weight they do not menstruate as biochem eluded to. It may have been a natural assumption since it is more common in female runners. I guess I am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt since I feel for her.
By the way, technically she is not a hermaphrodite if she does not have ovaries or uterus, she has sexual organs of one sex and exhibits external organs of another sex, she is a pseudohermaphrodite, another case of the media reporting it incorrectly.
so lets give the girl the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. This girl has had to go through a ton of shit the last 2 weeks. She just learned on the national stage that she was really born with male parts, but for a freak set of circumstances was raised female. And now the whole world knows. This isn't like she can just move on with her life
Semenya was born in Ga-Masehlong, a village in South Africa near Polokwane.
yes i really think her mother was not told. have you ever been to a third world country? i doubt they checked this girl when she was born to see if she had ovaries. do they check otherwise healthy newborn girls here in the US for ovaries?
Get real
it doesn't matter, she still knew before this, otherwise there would not have been any evidence that proved she had this condition, and obviously there was becuase it got leaked.
It absolutely matters. are you blind? up until these tests there was no evidence (tests whose results have only been leaked, by the way. no official word). she was raised as a girl because she had girl parts. she grew up as a girl. there were questions because of the musculature of her body and low voice that led to the need for these tests that revealed her hermaphrodical status. hell, even when they were doing the tests she was told it was for allegations of doping, not to determine her gender.
it may be revealed that she in fact knew. at this point, i don't think she did, and nothing out there shows that she did know. you are jumping to conclusions based upon conjecture and very limited understanding.. I can very easily imagine a scenario where she did not know, and because of this I feel she deserves the benefit of the doubt. especially because at 18 all of this is being revealed on the international stage publicly. not something anyone should have to deal with.
Regardless she cannot be considered a female in athletics because physiologically she is not, and has an unfair advantage against all other female athletes, yes it's sad for her, but that is life. And if they are not going to allow her to compete in future events as a female based on the findings I think they have to strip the medal as well.
African track star Caster Semenya drops out of race after gender flap
Third world war if Semenya barred: South Africa
South Africa's sports minister says there will be a "third world war" if 800-metre world champion athlete Caster Semenya is barred from competing, after media reports that the gold medallist is a hermaphrodite.
The South African Government has made it clear that anyone seeking to strip Semenya of her world champion status will be seen as an enemy of the state, and that also goes for the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF).
South Africa's sports minister says there will be a "third world war" if 800-metre world champion athlete Caster Semenya is barred from competing, after media reports that the gold medallist is a hermaphrodite.
The South African Government has made it clear that anyone seeking to strip Semenya of her world champion status will be seen as an enemy of the state, and that also goes for the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF).
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From what i read the south african prime minister is trying to turn this into a race issue, where it is clearly a gender issue. Too sad.
The birth defect people don't talk about - Yahoo! Sports
hopefully wiser and calmer heads will prevail here.
hopefully wiser and calmer heads will prevail here.
I'm a hermaphrodite and I am actually getting a kick out of all these replies....oh...wait...
interesting,the experts thinks she has the androgen insensitivity syndome in which case the extra testosterone is worthless, the media may not be reporting things correctly here as usual.
All bought and paid for, too!well you do have all the male and female parts
Clearly this must be true. Just look at the financial and military muscle that they wield, and their foreign policies certainly carry a lot of clout and are far reaching in their consequences.
