"Fat people should not consume carbs post-workout. The best Post workout drink for a 200lb overweight man is: Whey Isolate 60g + Glutamine 20-80g + Glycine 20g. This will replenish glycogen while preventing fat gain."
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Charles Polinquin and post workout carbs
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What if that is all the person eats all day?
I'd, personally, like to see some sources. Burden of proof typically lays with the person making the claims so until I see some peer reviewed literature, or atleast a possible mechanism founded on currently accepted physiology, I'm not buying it.
I'd, personally, like to see some sources. Burden of proof typically lays with the person making the claims so until I see some peer reviewed literature, or atleast a possible mechanism founded on currently accepted physiology, I'm not buying it.
I'd just like to add that his idea of fat people are men over 10% bf and women over 15-20%BF
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Approximately 75% of people are carb intolerant and should not be eating grains; the grains are getting people fat. The first step is to get the Omega 3’s in balance by taking hi-quality fish oils. You must eat protein with every meal even breakfast. A meat and nut breakfast will make you leaner even if you do not change the rest of your diet. It is best if you rotate the meat each breakfast. Eat 6-7 meals per day with protein plus smart fats in every meal.
A long-term low carbohydrate diet is the solution for fat people even after they have lost the fat. To begin the diet, eat only meat, fish, eggs, cheese and vegetables (50g of carbs per day or less). Follow this diet for 14 days then have a cheat day, eat whatever you want for the entire day. Return to the ultra low carb diet and have a cheat meal (one sitting) every 4th or 5th day.
1. Once you are starting to lean out you can add berries to the diet. They are strong antioxidants and low glycemic.
2. As you get leaner still you can introduce the Orange family of fruits.
3. As you get leaner again you can add Plums, nectarines, peaches and apples.
4. Then grapes and bananas
5. Then the root vegetables such as yams, and sweet potatoes
6. Then rice, the darker the better
7. The last food to add is grains, and it should never be added for those that are carb intolerant. (If eating carbs made you fat)
A no or low gluten diet is a good thing, it interferes with reaction time.
Stick with this diet 80% of the time and you will do fine and not stressed out by it. Eat more vegetables.
Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it.
Fructose syrup is the most fattening food we know of and it ages you; avoid it at all costs.
Have your cheat meal late in the day instead of early when you are likely to keep eating bad the rest of the day. The best cheat meals have some nutritional value
Fatty foods have a reputation for causing bad health but it is Carbs that raise cholesterol and bad blood lipids
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Approximately 75% of people are carb intolerant and should not be eating grains; the grains are getting people fat. The first step is to get the Omega 3’s in balance by taking hi-quality fish oils. You must eat protein with every meal even breakfast. A meat and nut breakfast will make you leaner even if you do not change the rest of your diet. It is best if you rotate the meat each breakfast. Eat 6-7 meals per day with protein plus smart fats in every meal.
A long-term low carbohydrate diet is the solution for fat people even after they have lost the fat. To begin the diet, eat only meat, fish, eggs, cheese and vegetables (50g of carbs per day or less). Follow this diet for 14 days then have a cheat day, eat whatever you want for the entire day. Return to the ultra low carb diet and have a cheat meal (one sitting) every 4th or 5th day.
1. Once you are starting to lean out you can add berries to the diet. They are strong antioxidants and low glycemic.
2. As you get leaner still you can introduce the Orange family of fruits.
3. As you get leaner again you can add Plums, nectarines, peaches and apples.
4. Then grapes and bananas
5. Then the root vegetables such as yams, and sweet potatoes
6. Then rice, the darker the better
7. The last food to add is grains, and it should never be added for those that are carb intolerant. (If eating carbs made you fat)
A no or low gluten diet is a good thing, it interferes with reaction time.
Stick with this diet 80% of the time and you will do fine and not stressed out by it. Eat more vegetables.
Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it.
Fructose syrup is the most fattening food we know of and it ages you; avoid it at all costs.
Have your cheat meal late in the day instead of early when you are likely to keep eating bad the rest of the day. The best cheat meals have some nutritional value
Fatty foods have a reputation for causing bad health but it is Carbs that raise cholesterol and bad blood lipids
"Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it."
Is this true? I thought it was considered a pretty good food for getting good fats and calories?
Is this true? I thought it was considered a pretty good food for getting good fats and calories?
Re post workout carbs - not for me, not when I was fat. Pre worked first. I had to get below 20% - actually, WELL below 20%, to feel comfortable with post workout carbs. You can measure your blood sugar and see how high it goes, how long it takes to come down. Pay attention to how you feel.
Is something like this (Easy Check Glucose Test Strips (50) 00101) an effective way of testing?
I'd like to go by how I feel, but I'm not yet adept at listening to my body...i'd perhaps prefer a more quantitative way to determine my body's reaction to carbs for now.
I believe that the range for normal fasting blood glucose levels is something like 70-95 and postprandial levels should be under 145. For sample purposes, if I were at 80 mg/dl fasting and jumped up to 130 2 hours after eating...what would be the periods of time that would suggest the 'levels of resistance' so to speak [i.e back to normal after: A)2 hours suggests carbs are ok postworkout B)4 hours suggests that carbs should be avoided]
Any idea?
I've fiddled with this a bit, on carbups, but not formally. I'd be delighted to work out a protocol with you though. I have a glucose metre a diabetic friend purchased for me because I helped him with his training.
I'll usually hit the 1-2 tsp macadamia nut oil with casein and whey together after a workout. Good taste.
no...open your mind, sir.
It really depends on the person. I go by comfort - if I get freakishly hungry from post workout carbs, I know I'm over secreting insulin and for me that means I'm too fat.
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Fasting blood glucose should be under 110mg/dL, with an 8 hour fast. Diabetes is dx'ed via venipuncture with 2 readings greater than 126mg/dL, as venous blood is more accurate than capillary blood (the reading you get from the finger stick method).
Oral Glucose Tolerance Tests (OGTT) are done via venipuncture as well. Typical diet and activity for 3 days prior, baseline glucose measurement, 75g of glucose orally, then blood readings every 30 minutes for 2 hours. Normal=<140mg/dL after 2 hours with intolerance being >140mg/dL and possible Diabetes with a result of 200 or more.
This is a very controlled test though, you can't move around, you must have followed the appropriate preparations (no CHO restriction, normal activity for atleast 3 days), you can't be taking any supplement/med that affects glucose etc. I wouldn't assume a self administered finger stick method as an absolute measure of glucose tolerance.
Normal blood glucose values, from a finger stick, should be 80-120 (depending on who you ask) and slightly higher for folks with insulin resistance/diabetes (90-130).
Since we are debating low gi carbs vs high gi carbs in another thread, does this seem to matter to you. Do you function better on one vs the other?
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Oh hey my mind is open. One thing I have learned from educating myself is that I don't really know shit and most likely will die not truly knowing much.
I don't disagree with lowered or controlled CHO diets for certain people. I just don't like the 'magic bullet' presentation some of these quacks present. I mean, what does 75% of people are carb intolerant? Has he gone around and administered GTT's to 150 million people? How does he even define carb intolerance? How about calorie/portion control, balanced meals, GI/II/GL?
See I can get behind the things Built talks about. I haven't personally read the research but I have faith in her that if she says that the ex-fat/obese never truly go back to having appropriate insulin sensitivity which leads to a cascade of effects, hunger being the chief one, I can understand why she recommends what she recommends. I also like the fact that he rationales make sense and she doesn't throw out stupid blanket statements like everyone must stop eating carbs now, HFCS is the worst food ever (I mean, again, how do you even define worst food ever?) etc. She also doesn't have some arbitrary list of carbs to add in slowly. Look at that thing, why citrus fruits before berries or yams? Is there even a reason...NO! He just needs to put a spin on shit to get people to follow his recommendations.
So bottom line. Lots of quackery.
I don't know that we are truly debating it DG, we seem to be more or less in agreement, at least with regard to the "broad strokes". Exploring might be the more apt term.
With regard to "functioning better on one than the other" - interesting question. Thank you for asking it.
No. It doesn't matter at all to me. Sort of. lol!
What DOES matter is the amount, and the timing. If I am eating my carb preworkout and it's an hour out, slower is better. If I screw up and wait too long between those slow carbs and my workout, I'll top it up a bit with something faster just before I train.
Please keep in mind when you read this, that you and I have different challenges, and thus different approaches. You are comfortable on mixed meals, you don't have trouble cutting by simply reducing calories, and you've never been fat. You were smart enough to take care of yourself before you ever had the chance to get fat, and you don't weigh and fitday your intake because you don't have to.
I would not either if I did not have to, believe me when I say to you that this is not a criticism. If anything, I'm envious - and I admire the approach. Why micromanage if you don't HAVE to? Personally, I'm not that much of a martyr.
IF you are not tracking or weighing your intake, it is a LOT easier to knock back 100g of dextrose (about a third of a cup) than it is to knock back the TWO CUPS of quick oats (150g) for the equivalent amount of carbohydrate.
This is especially true for men, for whom "fullness" is a significant contributor to the postprandial satiety response - far more so in general than it is for women.
When I was easing my way out of Atkins, I stuck to pure dextrose for my early carb experiments. Because it metabolizes so quickly, it was in-and-out of my system FAST, allowing me to quickly return to the "safety" - that is, the comfort and satiety - of ketosis.
Does this help you form any kind of an opinion, or does it just muddy the waters that much more?
shit, believe in Built....if you Built it will come!!!!!
And Poliquin used to be really good wtf? He kind of sounds like Jay Robb!
And Poliquin used to be really good wtf? He kind of sounds like Jay Robb!
LOL at juggernaut.
I do prefer that people question all sources of authority, though. I can be just as right or just as wrong as the next poster. It's good to be critical.
I do prefer that people question all sources of authority, though. I can be just as right or just as wrong as the next poster. It's good to be critical.
I make it an artform
Since this came up, and I feel doesn't get addressed as often as it should, I'm going to plug a previous thread from a few weeks ago.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/diet-nutrition/99568-macronutrient-intake-timing.html
Wait...what? Did I misread or did you defend him earlier in the thread by telling someone else to "open their mind" in regards to thinking he was a "quack"? Either way, I do agree with another poster who questioned the whole "add this fruit now, that carb later" thing.
BTW...nice avatar
I can be a bit sarcastic.Wait...what? Did I misread or did you defend him earlier in the thread by telling someone else to "open their mind" in regards to thinking he was a "quack"? Either way, I do agree with another poster who questioned the whole "add this fruit now, that carb later" thing.
BTW...nice avatar
The metabolic response to ingested glycine -- Gannon et al. 76 (6): 1302 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
i usually suggest doing a straight swap, carbs for glycine, 20-25g.
Am I mistaken that R-ALA does the same thing?
very close, but it is a very worthwhile compound. it is however much more expensive than glycine. i would go with k-rala or na-rala.
