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Converting Cattle Pellets. All The Info You Need To Homebrew Fina

Definition of RINSE
transitive verb
1
: to cleanse by flushing with liquid (as water) —often used with out <rinse out the mouth>
2
a : to cleanse (as of soap) by clear water b : to treat (hair) with a rinse
3
: to remove (dirt or impurities) by washing lightly or in water only
 
Sorry...Im kind of a smartass.


It means that this is a important step and should not be overlooked. Methanol is highly toxic.
SO, we want to pour distilled water over the crystals at least 3-4 times.

Sometimes people will think "well I have rinsed once so thats fine"
Its not.
 
Definition of RINSE
transitive verb
1
: to cleanse by flushing with liquid (as water) ???often used with out <rinse out the mouth>
2
a : to cleanse (as of soap) by clear water b : to treat (hair) with a rinse
3
: to remove (dirt or impurities) by washing lightly or in water only

So we decided to be a jerkoff. Thanks.
 
I think Bass said at one time you could not rinse it too much
 
yup. You could run a gallon of water over it and it wouldnt be overkill.

Methanol toxicity:
Toxicity

Methanol has a high toxicity in humans. If ingested, for example, as little as 10 mL of 40% methanol can cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve and 30 mL (i.e. 1-2 ml of pure methanol)[11] is potentially fatal,[12] although a fatal dose is typically 100–125 mL (4 fl oz). Toxic effects take hours to start and effective antidotes can often prevent permanent damage.[12] Because of its similarities to ethanol (the alcohol in beverages), it is difficult to differentiate between the two (such is the case with denatured alcohol).

Methanol is toxic by two mechanisms. Firstly, methanol (whether it enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin) can be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. Secondly, in a process of toxication, it is metabolised to formic acid (which is present as the formate ion) via formaldehyde in a process initiated by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver.[13] Methanol is converted to formaldehyde via alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and formaldehyde is converted to formic acid (formate) via aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH). The conversion to formate via ALDH proceeds completely, with no detectable formaldehyde remaining.[14] Formate is toxic because it inhibits mitochondrial cytochrome c oxidase, causing the symptoms of hypoxia at the cellular level, and also causing metabolic acidosis among a variety of other metabolic disturbances.[15] Fetal tissue will not tolerate methanol.

Methanol poisoning can be treated with the antidotes ethanol or fomepizole.[13][16][17] Both of these drugs act to reduce the action of alcohol dehydrogenase on methanol by means of competitive inhibition, so that it is excreted by the kidneys rather than being transformed into toxic metabolites.[13] Further treatment may include giving sodium bicarbonate for metabolic acidosis and haemodialysis or haemodiafiltration can be used to remove methanol and formate from the blood.[13] Folinic acid or folic acid is also administered to enhance the metabolism of formate.[13]

The initial symptoms of methanol intoxication include central nervous system depression, headache, dizziness, nausea, lack of coordination, confusion, and with sufficiently large doses, unconsciousness and death. The initial symptoms of methanol exposure are usually less severe than the symptoms resulting from the ingestion of a similar quantity of ethanol.[4] Once the initial symptoms have passed, a second set of symptoms arises, 10 to as many as 30 hours after the initial exposure to methanol, including blurring or complete loss of vision and acidosis.[13] These symptoms result from the accumulation of toxic levels of formate in the bloodstream, and may progress to death by respiratory failure. Small amounts of methanol are produced by the metabolism of food and are generally harmless, being metabolized quickly and completely.
 
Doesnt matter pre filtered or no because your gonna run everything through a .22 filter anyways.

Thanks Brundel! Just what I needed.

BTW, I dont mind if people are a smartass on here. I like to joke myself. The good part about Brundel is he also supplied a serious answer and said he was just joking:winkfinger:
 
Can someone verify what Basskiller posted on his site.

for 20ML of 200mg Tren

4 grams Tren (2 carts)
1ml BA
3ml BB
13ml oil

doesnt seem like enough alcohol for 2 carts (4 Grams)
 
For that recipe the BA% is unusually high= 5%.
Most likely this is because the mg/ml is exceptionally high for a short ester.

Personally I would make it 100mg/ml and use 2% BA

Here is how I would make it.

40ml @ 100mg/ml

4g tren
28.20 oil of your choice. I like Grapeseed oil.
.8ml BA =2%
8ml BB =20%
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
Perhaps I should elaborate on my choice of oil.

Ill begin by stating that the most commonly used oil (cottonseed) is a poor choice for a few reasons. Most importantly because cottonseed oil is a byproduct of the cotton industry. Cotton is one of the if not the most heavily sprayed by pesticides. The process used for extraction takes no consideration regarding the level of toxins in the final product. Basically, without making this a 5 year long post...There is a very high chance that your cottonseed oil is contaminated with pesticides.
Yes.....pharmacies use it.
HG gear is often made with it.
WHy? Because its cheap as hell.

Grapeseed oil on the other hand has a ton of benefits including but not limited to a lack of toxins.
Ill write up some more about GSO when I get home.
 
I have done done 100mg in the past and just didnt get the results that 200mg delivers. I can barely feel the results of the 100mg (I dont stack). The 200mg works magic.

However, I did a aroma "kit" the first time. The BA and BB were premixed for the order. I just added the 2 carts and oil, heat, filter. Wasnt impressed.

Ive actually started a Sustanon cycle and plan on wrapping it up with 6 weeks of 200mg tren.
 
The problem with the "kits" is that you never get 100mg/ml.
Some of them use BA/BB
Some use guaiacol.....
None produce 100mg/ml although they say they do.
They all produce less than that and unfortunately you really dont know how much less.

The only way to ensure the dose is correct is to either purchase the raw powders or to make them from implants. Either way you can weight the powder to ensure proper dosage.

Im editing my previous conversion post to clarify everything as well so the directions should be super easy to follow.

How often are you injecting?

100mg eod is alot of tren for most people.
 
EOD for 4 weeks with 200mg. Amazing results. SIde affects are night sweats, wake up with shirt soaking wet about 3 times a week. Balls shrink pretty bad on this stuff but I counter with HCG 500iu once a week.

I will try making a batch of 100 mg again following your recipe.

I only want to try 10ml worth though, in case Im not happy with it. I currently am building.

1ml BA
3ml BB
and 2 carts

The pellets are breaking down since last night. Ca I still alter this batch to get 100ml?

Im open to changing it. i havent added oil yet.
 
BTW, Brundel, I really appreciate all your input. I still have alot to learn even though I have made 150ml so far of different strengths.

I am ALL FOR not using so much Pellets since it costs so much.
 
I have never not once made it this way.
Remember alot of tren is gonna be left behind.....its gonna be like 50-60mg/ml...if that.

Next time try the method I outlined on page 2 of this thread.
You will know for 100% the mg/ml....

The reason you need 200mg/ml is its really only 100mg.
If you made it less then it would be the 50-60mg.

I dont even know what to tell you to alter.
 
You dont need a kit.

1 crush the pellets in a pyrex measuring cup.
2. add 150ml methanol. Heet in the yllow and blue bottle will work.
Allow 30 min to dissolve.
3. pour through a coffee filter. Make sure to capture the fluid in another pyrex measuring cup or 700+ml bomex beaker. This fluid is where your tren is.
4. pour 500ml ice cold water into the fluid. You will see the tren appear.
5. pour this through a Brown cone shaped coffee filter. Dont buy cheap ones.

There is now tren powder in the filter.
6. rinse at least 3-4 times with distilled water by pouring through the filter.
7. Allow 24 hours at least to dry. I like to put it in a bowl with a lamp over it. DO NOT PUT IN OVEN>

Once dry it is ready to be weighed and prepared for injection.
 
BTW, Brundel, I really appreciate all your input. I still have alot to learn even though I have made 150ml so far of different strengths.

I am ALL FOR not using so much Pellets since it costs so much.

Thanks brother.
My goal here is to try to help people wherever I can.
Any questions I can answer I will.
 
You dont need a kit.

1 crush the pellets in a pyrex measuring cup.
2. add 150ml methanol. Heet in the yllow and blue bottle will work.
Allow 30 min to dissolve.
3. pour through a coffee filter. Make sure to capture the fluid in another pyrex measuring cup or 700+ml bomex beaker. This fluid is where your tren is.
4. pour 500ml ice cold water into the fluid. You will see the tren appear.
5. pour this through a Brown cone shaped coffee filter. Dont buy cheap ones.

There is now tren powder in the filter.
6. rinse at least 3-4 times with distilled water by pouring through the filter.
7. Allow 24 hours at least to dry. I like to put it in a bowl with a lamp over it. DO NOT PUT IN OVEN>

Once dry it is ready to be weighed and prepared for injection.


Ok, I will try this next. I will have a couple questions when I do it. So, Heet in a blue and yellow bottle. Pep boys?

How many carts do I need for this kit?
 
Ill walk you through the whole thing.
You can do as few or as many carts as you want.
Youll also need in addition to heet.
Sterile vial...I would buy a couple...20ml ones. or 50ml ones. Just to be safe.
10ml syringe
18g and 25g needle
2x millipore sterile syringe filters. .22um pore size.
BA
BB
Oil

All can be purchased at researchsupply.net
If you convert alot of tren also buy a couple bomex beakers. 750ml is good.
Otherwise you can use pyrex measuring cups you can purchase at the local grocery store.

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Thanks for all the great info in this thread. Actually, I read through every post and this is what got me to reister as a member here. Im buying pellets and vials, beakers, etc right now. Excited to try this out. Ill let you all know how it goes.
 
Thanks for all the great info in this thread. Actually, I read through every post and this is what got me to reister as a member here. Im buying pellets and vials, beakers, etc right now. Excited to try this out. Ill let you all know how it goes.

I'd appreciate a play by play. I'm thinking of doing this for my cat. Take photos.
 
Thanks for all the great info in this thread. Actually, I read through every post and this is what got me to reister as a member here. Im buying pellets and vials, beakers, etc right now. Excited to try this out. Ill let you all know how it goes.

Awesome!
WHen you get all the stuff together..PM me and we can do a walk through with pics for people here if your into it.
This way people can see all the supplies and the steps.

THe best thing about tren is you dont need to get shit from China...
You dont need to send your money to friggin Turkey and hope for the best.
You dont have to wonder....."is this shit gonna work or do I have mexican piss in my vial"
You know it was properly filtered.
You can feel 100% safe when injecting it.
 
Very generous offer to document right there...looking forward to it!!
 
Awesome!
WHen you get all the stuff together..PM me and we can do a walk through with pics for people here if your into it.
This way people can see all the supplies and the steps.

THe best thing about tren is you dont need to get shit from China...
You dont need to send your money to friggin Turkey and hope for the best.
You dont have to wonder....."is this shit gonna work or do I have mexican piss in my vial"
You know it was properly filtered.
You can feel 100% safe when injecting it.

brundel, Thanks again for all the info. I tried sending you a PM but I dont have enough posts yet... The pellets have been delivered. Just waiting on a few other things from researchsupply... Ill let you know when Im ready to put on the lab coat and goggles and get this show on the road.
 
Make sure you guys keep this updated. I have an order in right now for Finaplix-H pellets. Just waiting for them to be delivered. The way brundel is discribing sounds alot easier than what some of these kits are doing. Thanks
 
i have used both methods, and the crystal method is the best! I know i've said it a lot, but Brundel is the fucking man and knows his shit. it takes longer, and there's more work and pulling hair out(which i dont have any left) but the crystal method is def the way to go. oh how i love the pile of tren crystals!!!!
 
Brundel, I want to verify with you. Please respond asap.

STEP 1:
I added 4 carts of FIN
120ML Heat
let sit for 30 minutes

STEP 2:
poured through filter
you said TRN would be in the liquid now?
The white paste that is in the coffee filter is just filler and to throw away?

STEP 3:
I only have about 100ml left now, not sure where the other 20ml of heat went.
pour distilled water into the liquid TRN, I should be able to see the TRN forming.

STEP 4:
Now, I am going to run the liquid TRN through another coffee filter, then rinse 3-4 times with distilled water.

STEP 5:
Let the filter dry over night. That is now the TRN powder correct?

I am currently on step 3. Would like some confirmation.
 
So, the stuff in the filter is just FILLER and is waste? And the liquid in the beaker is Heat and TRN?
 
So, the stuff in the filter is just FILLER and is waste? And the liquid in the beaker is Heat and TRN?
yes, if thats your first filtering, then all that shit is the binders and glue and shit(bad shit) through it away, including the filter. next....take some very cold water(distilled) and add it to the heat and tren mix in the beaker. you will see crystal forming. take my word for it, you're in for a treat it is fucking cool. then filter through a clean filter. sit to dry over night...then filter the mix again in another filter, while the first is drying. you will just keep filtering it in different filters until there are no crystals left in the heat and tren mixture. you'll end up with a lot of filters drying.
 
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