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Gopro, enough with the straw-man arguments. (You might consider looking up what that means so you don't do it a third time). Once adequate protein and fat are consumed, please show me ONE piece of peer-reviewed research that establishes a metabolic advantage in line with what you claim.

Built, I do not need to show you anything. That "argument" above is all that is needed because it is totally true. If you have time, go look up the studies yourself. If you do not understand how the body works hormonally and how this cascade completely affects the partitioning of calories that is not my problem. Not to mention that since I have prepped over 100 competitors for competitions (and probably have handled close to 1000 preps in my time), I do not need a study to show me what goes on with the human body in the real world. Half the time studies mean squat anyway because a) They are usually biased, b) They are not replicated a second time, c) There is always a study out there that disproves the one before it.

Go ahead and believe whatever you want to. Whatever works for you is exactly what you should do.
 
Gopro -

What would your ideal cutting diet/macros look like then? It's always good to be able to look at things from a few different viewpoints, so indulge me if you don't mind :)
 
This is getting very good.

Gopro, why would a keto diet lead to a greater lose of muscle mass than any other diet?

Lately there has been a lot of discussion, controversy and disagreement amongst bodybuilders, trainers, nutritionists and coaches within our industry regarding whether natural bodybuilders should use a zero-carb or low-carb approach to dieting when seeking both a ripped and maximally muscular physique (like when prepping for competition). As a pro natural bodybuilder myself who has prepared for about twenty competitions, as well one that has coached both ???enhanced??? and drug-free lifters for hundreds more, I have a very definite opinion on this matter???based on experience and science. Simply put???natural bodybuilders have different requirements than those that utilize performance-enhancing drugs. About this, I have no doubt!

While I certainly would agree that a properly implemented zero-carb diet does work wonders for most of my ???enhanced??? brothers in iron, there are very definite and compelling reasons why the majority (nothing in bodybuilding is universal) of naturals should stay away from this approach. As bodybuilders our goal when getting ready for competition is not just to strip off as much body fat as humanly possible, but also to retain as much muscle mass as we can in the process. I know I don???t want to step onstage looking like an underwear model! Do you? Didn???t think so. And that is the major disadvantage of a zero-carb diet for drug free athletes???the inevitable loss of muscle size!

But why does this occur? It???s just simple physiology really???hormones, signaling molecules, and how they are affected when zero carbs are ingested! That said; let???s get a little more specific about why zero-carb diets (for naturals) are not the Holy Grail, but likely will lead you to fail.

Reason #1: Without any carbs there will be no insulin!

Insulin is a protein-peptide hormone that is released by the pancreas in response to the ingestion of food, with the greatest release occurring by way of the consumption of carbohydrates. Insulin promotes a dramatic muscle-building effect through its ability to drive amino acids, glucose, creatine, etc. directly into muscle cells and by inhibiting muscle degradation. The powerful anti-catabolic properties of insulin are most important first thing in the morning and right after intense training, when an optimum hormonal environment is necessary to build/maintain muscle mass. If you do not elevate your insulin levels at these two critical times you will fail to optimally transport vital nutrients into starving muscle cells, and will perhaps even rob them of amino acids already stored. Result? Muscle loss!

Reason # 2: Without any insulin you will secret more cortisol!

Cortisol is a natural hormone of the adrenal glands and is the primary glucocorticoid. It is released in greater amounts in times of stress (training is a major stress), and possesses many qualities essential to life. However, in too large amounts, cortisol is the enemy of a bodybuilder (yeah, this sucker wears both a white and black hat)! Excess cortisol can directly result in a loss of lean mass by reducing the utilization of amino acids for protein formation in muscles cells. Cortisol can also lead to a redistribution (and increase) of body fat causing a larger amount of storage to occur in the abdominal region. In addition, too much of this devilish little hormone can cause both sodium retention and potassium excretion. Less muscle???more bloat???and a bigger waistline? No thank you!

Reason # 3: With more cortisol there will be decreased thyroid function!

It has been known for quite some time that one of the downfalls of a lengthy zero-carb diet is the negative effect it can have on thyroid activity. One of the possible mechanisms behind this, once again, is increased cortisol secretion. Not only does excess cortisol directly inhibit TSH, or thyroid stimulating hormone, but it may also suppress 5' deiodinase, an enzyme that converts the less active thyroid hormone T4 into the far more powerful T3! The result is a decreased metabolic rate, which of course can make it harder to burn fat. This is why so many drug-free zero-carb dieters often hit a plateau halfway through their diet. Not good!

Reason # 4: More cortisol = less GH!

I find this effect particularly interesting because strong proponents of the zero-carb diet often claim that one of its benefits is increased GH output, leading to higher levels of the anabolic monster, IGF-1. However, you should be aware of another nasty tidbit about cortisol???it increases the output of the GH antagonist, somatostatin! So, there goes that theory right out the window! Less GH = less IGF-1, which in turn = decreased muscle retention while dieting. Man, cortisol is one bad motherfuc%er!



Natural Diet Dilemma: Zero Carb vs. Low Carb
Part 2

This month I will continue my discussion of why I feel that a zero-carb approach to dieting is detrimental to the drug-free bodybuilder.

Thus far I have mentioned that a lack of any carbohydrates in the diet will also cause a lack of insulin, which can compromise one???s ability to rapidly and efficiently uptake amino acids, glucose, creatine and other muscle building compounds into muscle cells at several critical times during the day. As well, this lack of insulin will also result in higher levels of circulating cortisol, which can cause a myriad of problems for the dieting bodybuilder, such as impaired thyroid function and lower GH output. But the negatives do not stop there???

Reason # 5: High cortisol levels can affect sleep patterns!

A little talked about fact in regards to cortisol is that it is actually one of the hormones associated with waking and sleeping patterns. Naturally, levels of cortisol are highest in the morning and lowest at night, with a number of fluctuations during the day. The higher amounts of circulating cortisol in the early hours help to wake us up. When the daily cycle of cortisol secretion is disrupted to a large degree it can cause levels to remain elevated at night, with the result being an inability to relax and fall asleep. I don???t need to tell you just how important sleep is to a bodybuilder, especially one that is dieting to lose body fat while doing everything possible to keep hard earned muscle mass intact. Insomnia? No thanks!


Reason # 6: No carbs pre or post training can compromise the immune system!

The type of intense training that bodybuilders engage in suppresses the immune system, which of course can lead to increased risk of illness. When the body is forced to work harder to fight off bacteria and infection it will have less energy to put towards recuperation, repair and growth. Combating illness is certainly higher on the body???s priority list than building muscle and burning fat. Not to mention that when you are sick, you might not be able to train or do cardio as needed to facilitate maximum progress. Studies show that carbohydrate consumption built around workouts (pre/intra/post) can reduce the immune system reaction to vigorous exercise helping to keep your muscle building and fat burning machinery working at optimum levels. Important stuff!

Reason # 7: No carbs in the diet can impair genes for muscle hypertrophy!

Let???s face it???as a natural bodybuilder dieting down for a competition, photo shoot, or even a nice vacation; your goal is not only to lose as much body fat as possible, but also to retain your muscle size. Most naturals (except the most genetically gifted) simply lose size on zero carbs, and often end up looking more like fitness models or swimmers than serious bodybuilders! And I know this is not acceptable to the hardcore natty readers of Muscular Development!

Robbie Durand, a fellow MD columnist, recently discussed a couple of recent studies (that I also have viewed), which showed that low muscle glycogen concentrations reduce the expression of several genes responsible for muscle hypertrophy! While a 2005 study reported a blunting of an important molecule in cell signaling and protein synthesis pathways called PKB (or Akt), newer research has also proven that low pre-exercise muscle glycogen stores decrease resting levels of two other major genes involved in muscle growth???myogenin and IGF-1! No wonder drug-free athletes tend to ???string out??? on zero carb regimens!
 
Gopro -

What would your ideal cutting diet/macros look like then? It's always good to be able to look at things from a few different viewpoints, so indulge me if you don't mind :)

I do not have a cookie-cutter approach. Each person I address individually.
 
Can you give a general overview though?

If you're not a believer of low carb/keto diets, are you a believer of mid-high carbs with lowered fats then? Protein does stay relatively constant, so I'm pretty much ignoring that.
 
Built, I do not need to show you anything. That "argument" above is all that is needed because it is totally true.
If it's true, you won't have any trouble digging up support for your argument.
If you have time, go look up the studies yourself.
You are the one making the assertion. The onus is on you to support your argument.

So far, all you're doing is bullying me into buying your line.

If you do not understand how the body works hormonally and how this cascade completely affects the partitioning of calories that is not my problem.
Yeah, I really wish I understood this process better. My knowledge of physiology is scatty at best.
Not to mention that since I have prepped over 100 competitors for competitions (and probably have handled close to 1000 preps in my time), I do not need a study to show me what goes on with the human body in the real world.
You don't, but I do. I haven't had your vast experience, and I don't have anything to go by except a man who claims to be too busy to dig up ONE study to back his assertions, but spends a great deal of time telling me that he's right and I'm wrong.
Half the time studies mean squat anyway because a) They are usually biased, b) They are not replicated a second time, c) There is always a study out there that disproves the one before it.
Really! See, this is interesting to me. How come?
Go ahead and believe whatever you want to. Whatever works for you is exactly what you should do.
At the moment, I don't believe in anything. I'm still waiting for something that resembles proof of what it is that you claim.

I don't know how they taught it to you, gopro, but when I was earning my science degrees, we were taught that the null hypothesis was "there is no effect" until proven otherwise.

I am still at the null hypothesis. I will happily reject the null when I have evidence to do so.

Lately there has been a lot of discussion, controversy and disagreement amongst bodybuilders, trainers, nutritionists and coaches within our industry regarding whether natural bodybuilders should use a zero-carb or low-carb approach to dieting when seeking both a ripped and maximally muscular physique (like when prepping for competition). As a pro natural bodybuilder myself who has prepared for about twenty competitions, as well one that has coached both ???enhanced??? and drug-free lifters for hundreds more, I have a very definite opinion on this matter???based on experience and science. Simply put???natural bodybuilders have different requirements than those that utilize performance-enhancing drugs. About this, I have no doubt!

While I certainly would agree that a properly implemented zero-carb diet does work wonders for most of my ???enhanced??? brothers in iron, there are very definite and compelling reasons why the majority (nothing in bodybuilding is universal) of naturals should stay away from this approach. As bodybuilders our goal when getting ready for competition is not just to strip off as much body fat as humanly possible, but also to retain as much muscle mass as we can in the process. I know I don???t want to step onstage looking like an underwear model! Do you? Didn???t think so. And that is the major disadvantage of a zero-carb diet for drug free athletes???the inevitable loss of muscle size!

But why does this occur? It???s just simple physiology really???hormones, signaling molecules, and how they are affected when zero carbs are ingested! That said; let???s get a little more specific about why zero-carb diets (for naturals) are not the Holy Grail, but likely will lead you to fail.

Reason #1: Without any carbs there will be no insulin!

Really? So if you don't eat any carbohydrate at all, you won't produce any insulin?
 
Can you give a general overview though?

If you're not a believer of low carb/keto diets, are you a believer of mid-high carbs with lowered fats then? Protein does stay relatively constant, so I'm pretty much ignoring that.

Actually I believe in medium to low carb diets with specific timing...high protein with medium to med-high fats from essential sources.
 
Built...I am not trying to bully you at all. You are obviously quite intelligent and you can make up your own mind on the matter. For me to give you studies about why I believe what I do would force me to find and post at least 10 or so, because this process is so complex and requires the need to look at many issues. As I come across some, I will make sure to add them to this thread...but my already 15-16 hour days will keep me from looking actively for now.

As for the insulin...yes, you will still release insulin without carbs, but not in significant enough amounts to reverse the catabolic effects.
 
gopro, the irony here is you and I are arguing the same point - I prefer a higher protein and fat, lower and targeted approach to carbs for most unassisted bodybuilders, myself, but for different reasons than you. For me, it's all about comfort. I can't tolerate hunger, so if I can diet without hunger, I succeed and this approach allows me to navigate around the truly hungry portions of a cut. I would do it this way even if it were sub-optimal because I CAN'T do it any other way.

I've had this argument with others, on different fora, from your perspective and I was unable to defend my position. I would love to have something that would allow me to back up the assertion for a metabolic advantage, since it is in line with how I train and diet anyway.

That is why I want proof. I haven't been able to find ANY proof. And it bugs me.
 
Lately there has been a lot of discussion, controversy and disagreement amongst bodybuilders, trainers, nutritionists and coaches within our industry regarding whether natural bodybuilders should use a zero-carb or low-carb approach to dieting when seeking both a ripped and maximally muscular physique (like when prepping for competition). As a pro natural bodybuilder myself who has prepared for about twenty competitions, as well one that has coached both ???enhanced??? and drug-free lifters for hundreds more, I have a very definite opinion on this matter???based on experience and science. Simply put???natural bodybuilders have different requirements than those that utilize performance-enhancing drugs. About this, I have no doubt!

While I certainly would agree that a properly implemented zero-carb diet does work wonders for most of my ???enhanced??? brothers in iron, there are very definite and compelling reasons why the majority (nothing in bodybuilding is universal) of naturals should stay away from this approach. As bodybuilders our goal when getting ready for competition is not just to strip off as much body fat as humanly possible, but also to retain as much muscle mass as we can in the process. I know I don???t want to step onstage looking like an underwear model! Do you? Didn???t think so. And that is the major disadvantage of a zero-carb diet for drug free athletes???the inevitable loss of muscle size!

But why does this occur? It???s just simple physiology really???hormones, signaling molecules, and how they are affected when zero carbs are ingested! That said; let???s get a little more specific about why zero-carb diets (for naturals) are not the Holy Grail, but likely will lead you to fail.

Reason #1: Without any carbs there will be no insulin!

Insulin is a protein-peptide hormone that is released by the pancreas in response to the ingestion of food, with the greatest release occurring by way of the consumption of carbohydrates. Insulin promotes a dramatic muscle-building effect through its ability to drive amino acids, glucose, creatine, etc. directly into muscle cells and by inhibiting muscle degradation. The powerful anti-catabolic properties of insulin are most important first thing in the morning and right after intense training, when an optimum hormonal environment is necessary to build/maintain muscle mass. If you do not elevate your insulin levels at these two critical times you will fail to optimally transport vital nutrients into starving muscle cells, and will perhaps even rob them of amino acids already stored. Result? Muscle loss!

Reason # 2: Without any insulin you will secret more cortisol!

Cortisol is a natural hormone of the adrenal glands and is the primary glucocorticoid. It is released in greater amounts in times of stress (training is a major stress), and possesses many qualities essential to life. However, in too large amounts, cortisol is the enemy of a bodybuilder (yeah, this sucker wears both a white and black hat)! Excess cortisol can directly result in a loss of lean mass by reducing the utilization of amino acids for protein formation in muscles cells. Cortisol can also lead to a redistribution (and increase) of body fat causing a larger amount of storage to occur in the abdominal region. In addition, too much of this devilish little hormone can cause both sodium retention and potassium excretion. Less muscle???more bloat???and a bigger waistline? No thank you!

Reason # 3: With more cortisol there will be decreased thyroid function!

It has been known for quite some time that one of the downfalls of a lengthy zero-carb diet is the negative effect it can have on thyroid activity. One of the possible mechanisms behind this, once again, is increased cortisol secretion. Not only does excess cortisol directly inhibit TSH, or thyroid stimulating hormone, but it may also suppress 5' deiodinase, an enzyme that converts the less active thyroid hormone T4 into the far more powerful T3! The result is a decreased metabolic rate, which of course can make it harder to burn fat. This is why so many drug-free zero-carb dieters often hit a plateau halfway through their diet. Not good!

Reason # 4: More cortisol = less GH!

I find this effect particularly interesting because strong proponents of the zero-carb diet often claim that one of its benefits is increased GH output, leading to higher levels of the anabolic monster, IGF-1. However, you should be aware of another nasty tidbit about cortisol???it increases the output of the GH antagonist, somatostatin! So, there goes that theory right out the window! Less GH = less IGF-1, which in turn = decreased muscle retention while dieting. Man, cortisol is one bad motherfuc%er!



Natural Diet Dilemma: Zero Carb vs. Low Carb
Part 2

This month I will continue my discussion of why I feel that a zero-carb approach to dieting is detrimental to the drug-free bodybuilder.

Thus far I have mentioned that a lack of any carbohydrates in the diet will also cause a lack of insulin, which can compromise one???s ability to rapidly and efficiently uptake amino acids, glucose, creatine and other muscle building compounds into muscle cells at several critical times during the day. As well, this lack of insulin will also result in higher levels of circulating cortisol, which can cause a myriad of problems for the dieting bodybuilder, such as impaired thyroid function and lower GH output. But the negatives do not stop there???

Reason # 5: High cortisol levels can affect sleep patterns!

A little talked about fact in regards to cortisol is that it is actually one of the hormones associated with waking and sleeping patterns. Naturally, levels of cortisol are highest in the morning and lowest at night, with a number of fluctuations during the day. The higher amounts of circulating cortisol in the early hours help to wake us up. When the daily cycle of cortisol secretion is disrupted to a large degree it can cause levels to remain elevated at night, with the result being an inability to relax and fall asleep. I don???t need to tell you just how important sleep is to a bodybuilder, especially one that is dieting to lose body fat while doing everything possible to keep hard earned muscle mass intact. Insomnia? No thanks!


Reason # 6: No carbs pre or post training can compromise the immune system!

The type of intense training that bodybuilders engage in suppresses the immune system, which of course can lead to increased risk of illness. When the body is forced to work harder to fight off bacteria and infection it will have less energy to put towards recuperation, repair and growth. Combating illness is certainly higher on the body???s priority list than building muscle and burning fat. Not to mention that when you are sick, you might not be able to train or do cardio as needed to facilitate maximum progress. Studies show that carbohydrate consumption built around workouts (pre/intra/post) can reduce the immune system reaction to vigorous exercise helping to keep your muscle building and fat burning machinery working at optimum levels. Important stuff!

Reason # 7: No carbs in the diet can impair genes for muscle hypertrophy!

Let???s face it???as a natural bodybuilder dieting down for a competition, photo shoot, or even a nice vacation; your goal is not only to lose as much body fat as possible, but also to retain your muscle size. Most naturals (except the most genetically gifted) simply lose size on zero carbs, and often end up looking more like fitness models or swimmers than serious bodybuilders! And I know this is not acceptable to the hardcore natty readers of Muscular Development!

Robbie Durand, a fellow MD columnist, recently discussed a couple of recent studies (that I also have viewed), which showed that low muscle glycogen concentrations reduce the expression of several genes responsible for muscle hypertrophy! While a 2005 study reported a blunting of an important molecule in cell signaling and protein synthesis pathways called PKB (or Akt), newer research has also proven that low pre-exercise muscle glycogen stores decrease resting levels of two other major genes involved in muscle growth???myogenin and IGF-1! No wonder drug-free athletes tend to ???string out??? on zero carb regimens!

You have time to type a post like that, but dont have time to link one study? Not buying that one.

And considering your reputation is very closley related to your business, how about you man up and find at least ONE study.

On another note, as you can see ive been a memeber here for pretty much exactly one year now. In that time I have read very few of your posts and you have only become a regular poster again over the past few weeks. Fair enough, you've got other obligations in the outside world. But in that time Built has been here helping hundreds of people (including myself) change the way they train and diet and in a lot of cases change their lives. Please show a bit more respect.
 
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Following Built's advice I have dropped 31lbs in less than 3 months, reduced my waist size by 6 inches, and have held on to almost all my muscle.

I will stick with what she tells me. If she tells me that jumping in front of a bus will cut fat, I guess I will be one flat (but thinner) dude.
 
Built, I do not need to show you anything. That "argument" above is all that is needed because it is totally true. If you have time, go look up the studies yourself. If you do not understand how the body works hormonally and how this cascade completely affects the partitioning of calories that is not my problem. Not to mention that since I have prepped over 100 competitors for competitions (and probably have handled close to 1000 preps in my time), I do not need a study to show me what goes on with the human body in the real world. Half the time studies mean squat anyway because a) They are usually biased, b) They are not replicated a second time, c) There is always a study out there that disproves the one before it.

Go ahead and believe whatever you want to. Whatever works for you is exactly what you should do.

I'll play...
Gopor do you know what peer reviewed means? It would be when all of your competitors stood in front of the judges and agreed on the outcome together of the study you conducted on those said competitors...they have no bias in the study and did not partake in the study itself but they do share knowledge on what a competitor should and should not look like.

I explained it because you are probably too busy to look that one up.
Any good scientist would state "here is the proof to back my claim" changing physiques into something that defies homeostasis is a scientist in their own rights....not sharing the data you have collected or used to promote the success you have claimed is taken as bold, rude and condescending. While we all have lives and appreciate the busy life you have explained that you lead you are also a moderator here so I would think you would be generous to share the vast knowledge you have with physique science you would be willing and eager to share the proof vs just your brass way of stating "you just know and don't have time to substantiate it because you have had 1000 people change their physiques"

If you could just point us to the medical journals, sports journals, nutritional journals etc we would be thrilled to read this substantially new break through in the world of physique science we would greatly appreciate the time you take in typing that into the reply box for us.
 
slowly becoming my favorite thread

patrick
 
Oh, are Purdue chicken breasts something else? I was reading this as chicken sandwiches.
C6zo6, good catch.

AKIRA, there are a variety of satiety signals to which we respond. Insulin can promote or suppress satiety depending upon the circumstance. Slowing the rate of gastric emptying can help with satiety, as can the physical feeling of fullness which C6zo6 alluded to - the need to fill up with broccoli in this case. The research suggests males may respond better to "volume" than the stimulation of CCK, where females tend to respond more strongly to CCK, which is induced through the consumption of many proteins and fats. Complicating this is the condition you are in (ie body fatness, dieted-down status) and your activity level.

All of this is interesting, but ultimately, you have to experiment to find your own satiety cues.

Thank you for noticing and agreeing about the broccoli. :thumb: I guess i know a little something...lol

Gopro, how do you have all this time to defend your points and argue in a 3 page thread, but can't find time to back up anything? That's like driving to another state and saying you don't have time to get gas...
 
Science evolves by disproving theories, not supporting them.

Exactly. You begin by assuming the null - that is to say, that there is no effect. This is the best guess you have at the truth until you can refute it.

Thank you for noticing and agreeing about the broccoli. :thumb: I guess i know a little something...lol

Oh yes indeed you do. :)
 
Shit! I just spent on Flax Caps....:mad::suicide:

New Rule :- Post & get feedback bfore spending on ANY supplement, Period:read:

The carbs can certainly go higher than that on training days if calories allow, and the fats, indeed, make sure you get in at least 10g of fish oil daily, to provide 3g combined EPA/DHA.

Avoid flax. It just won't convert.
 
You have time to type a post like that, but dont have time to link one study? Not buying that one.

And considering your reputation is very closley related to your business, how about you man up and find at least ONE study.

On another note, as you can see ive been a memeber here for pretty much exactly one year now. In that time I have read very few of your posts and you have only become a regular poster again over the past few weeks. Fair enough, you've got other obligations in the outside world. But in that time Built has been here helping hundreds of people (including myself) change the way they train and diet and in a lot of cases change their lives. Please show a bit more respect.

Did not type that...copied and pasted it.

Regular poster again at Prince's REQUEST.

I have nothing against Built. She knows her stuff. And if she has helped people here then that is wonderful.

I have offered my advice and reasoning which is based on how the human body works, and 20 years experience training bodybuilders, athletes, teens, elderly, injured, weekend warriors and regular folk and everything in between. My life is a scientific study.

I leave this thread to you guys now. Wish I had more time, but honestly I don't. Doing the best I can to contribute when I can.

Peace.
 
Excellent read.
A bit off topic, I want to get my degree for college in science but specifically about the body. Besides Biology and Chemistry what other classes should I sign up for?
 
Also, let me point out that Built and I basically believe in the same dieting approach as far as I can see. Higher protein, higher EFA, lower carb diets. Thus, she and I are pretty much on the same page anyway.
 
Excellent read.
A bit off topic, I want to get my degree for college in science but specifically about the body. Besides Biology and Chemistry what other classes should I sign up for?

Anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, genetics...all that fun stuff!
 
Ft. Lauderdale eh?
Feel like taking a newbie under your wing for a summer internship? :roflmao:
 
Just want to clarify that i believe Gopro is very knowledgeable on this subject.

Although he hasn't posted a study, it doesn't mean he doesn't have first hand experience. From the tone and attitude in his messages, you can tell he isn't making this stuff up...

It's hard to find anything that proves what he is trying to say...I get where he is coming from.
 
Just want to clarify that i believe Gopro is very knowledgeable on this subject.

Although he hasn't posted a study, it doesn't mean he doesn't have first hand experience. From the tone and attitude in his messages, you can tell he isn't making this stuff up...

It's hard to find anything that proves what he is trying to say...I get where he is coming from.

Thank you very much.

What I am basically trying to say is what I told you in our PM...I am not talking about studies on metabolic advantage here, but basic human physiology! The effects that different types of foods have on the hormonal cascade will determine how calories are partitioned and used. You must always consider insulin, glucagon, GH and IGF-1 for the most part and how THEY affect fat storage/burning. This is where "a calorie is not a calorie."

Anyway, carry on. I am glad a nice little discussion was borne from this.
 
...gopro...
can u please help me build an exercise program for my abdominal.
i all ready do cardio but i need some workouts for my abdominal and obliques.
...thank u...
 
Hi guys, I'm a new member in this forum and from what i read in this thread, all I can say is,"these are some beneficial posts." The truth is that I have some problems of my own and I'm starting to get sick of it. I started exercising more than 5 months ago. My goal is to get the six pack abs I always dreamt of having, but now I can't really see any difference. I admit that my abs are getting stronger but I really cant see them still. Is there a way or an advice that might help me get these abs?:confused: Ya one more thing, I'm not a diet but I'm still watching my calorie intake. Should I start on a diet or should I continue with my regular calorie intake?:confused:

In order to get visible abs, you need to start dieting. You need to burn more calories than you consume a day, to get rid of the excess fat over your abdominal. If you don't diet, your abs won't show...Start tracking your calories on LIVESTRONG.COM - Health, Fitness, Lifestyle, or find a calorie tracker.

Abs are in the kitchen, no magic.

Here are some ab exercises you can do. Doing abs 2-3x a week is plenty, especially with a solid workout program. I suggest getting a lifting program 3x a week and doing abs 2x a week, since your core will be utilizyed on lifting days as well...

Top 10 Most Effective Ab Exercises
 
LOL = Yes?
Excellent! I'll be on your doorstep first thing this summer :D
 
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