Danger of NOT aspirating needle?

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I almost never get a trickle of blood appearing after pinning my delt with Test Cyp weekly and my glute with EQ. However, tonight, a good stream of blood trickled from my delt upon removing needle after I finished plunging. I never aspirate but I'm curious as to what, exactly is the danger when I hit a blood vessel like I think I just did. I'm still getting the full dose of substance in my system, aren't I?

it happens ALL THE TIME, to others and me.

just aspirate WHEN your in beforeyou inject. no blood then your good.
when you pull otu you might have goen threw a vain.
no worries. and also dotn worry about the 0.0007% ml you may loos its NOT going ot effect your cycle.

liek one guy i remember was worried about wastign the lil drop left in the needle so he would lick it clean ! HAHAHA .

people make things so complicated somtimes.

 

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It takes a pretty large volume of air or oil to cause any serious problems. More than 3 cc's so don't sweat it. Sometimes the meds will hit your lungs right away if you inject in a vein and it will make you cough and taste BA in your mouth. It has happened to me about 5-6 times over the years.

yeppers!.
also yes to the lungs things. I HATE THAT FEELING!

 

[White]

Good thread! I always aspirate but I'm still new to this, once I get a hang of things I might try without aspirating...

 

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Good thread! I always aspirate but I'm still new to this, once I get a hang of things I might try without aspirating...

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!! did you not see themain point?!!?
ASPIRATE SO YOUR SAFE!!
you can still have an oil embolism and DIE!

dont be studpid! aspirate EVERY TIME.

all we posted was you need more air into your body then a coulple bubbles to kill you (stop your heart) that DOASNT MEAN the whole 3ml shot wont possibly killyou or fuk you up if you injected the whole thing into a vain.
no where in this entire thread did we say dont aspirate.

 

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It takes a pretty large volume of air or oil to cause any serious problems. More than 3 cc's so don't sweat it. Sometimes the meds will hit your lungs right away if you inject in a vein and it will make you cough and taste BA in your mouth. It has happened to me about 5-6 times over the years.

if you ment right into your blood stream/vain then i dissagree.

now you mean into a muscle and some get into blood then sure no worries.

 

[heavyiron]

if you ment right into your blood stream/vain then i dissagree.

now you mean into a muscle and some get into blood then sure no worries.

A few years back I read various studies where they tried to kill animals with oil and air embolisms. Air averaged over 30cc's and oil over 5cc's when injected directly into a vein. Additionally it is common for an IV to introduce air directly into a vein especially if the nurse does not purge it correctly. I wouldn't do this on purpose but a bit of air or oil in a vein is not deadly the vast majority of the time.

 

[cutright]

Heavyirons right in my job we run IV's you always get a little air in the line...havent seen it hurt anyone yet. And in emergency situations when we push meds IM we never aspirate

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

The only time I aspirate is when injecting Tren.

Some people seem to think that Tren cough is caused by a bit of Tren entering the vein.
And since I am scared shitless of this... I always do it when injecting Tren because I am petrified of Tren cough.

 

[VictorZ06]

I've had a tren cough last for a solid 15 minutes....it broke me. Almost passed out from coughing so damn hard. I always mix my tren with another oil when I take it now, usually test. Hasn't happened again....knock on wood!


/V

 

[Db52280]

Dear Db52280, test 500 is way too much concentrate mgs in 1ml. Its will never be FDA approved for 500mg/ml.

best-regards

wp

Ya I know that, it was my first time with it and I have used up to 400mg in a single shot. I don't think the extra 100 would make that much difference. Some of it must have entered a vein.

 

[BigBird]

Thanks for all the posts. As mentioned, I had a blood stream rush from my delt and down my arm like a runaway train and faster than I could wipe it before it dripped off my elbow. It immediately stopped bleeding when I put pressure on it though. Yesterday I noticed a small (quarter-sized?) bruise at the spot I injected. I can massage it and it's not even tender or sore. I've injected over the years probably a couple hundred times between glutes and delts and this has happened probably 3-5 times total. I do remember getting IM vaccines during Basic, etc and they never aspirated; as well as an IM shot in delt of Toradol by doc back in May and he didn't aspirate either. The weird thing is I've always injected in the same area of delt/glute and usually never even get a trickle. I just it was odd that I hit the same area of the right delt that I hit earlier and it seems like a blood vessel decided to "move" to this same location. Since I always alternate delts and glutes, I've got a full 2 weeks before I have to use the right delt again.
Based on some of these posts, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing and not worry about it. That is, keep up all common sense sanitary/disinfection habits, get air bubbles out of syringe, etc and then just plunge and GROW.

 

[muscle37]

ok guys...if theres one thing i know more about than aas and working out its medicine. i have worked in the medical field specifically transplant as a rn for several years. truth be told majority of people nurses doctors and everyone else licensed to give injections do not aspirate. when we run iv drips on pumps they get air in them all the time and these are running through lines that sit in the heart. Arterial ines in peoples radial and femoral arteries get little air bubbles in them from time to time and it messes up the monitoring of the waveform...so what do we do...flush it out with saline. bottom line...speaking from experience of a trained medical professional a little air here and there is harmless. no one knows how much air it exactly takes to get air embolism bc it depends on anatomy and cardivascule functioning but its at least three cc's. if u want to aspirate go ahead most text books say too...is it going to kill u if u dont...NO it wont. the thing that always bugs me when i get blood leakage after a pin is knowing that the blood more than likely served as a transporter for some of my oil to leak out needles pathway, which is why i sometimes leave the needle in for a moment to allow for absorption or if it does happen to be in a vein to allow for normal cardiac flow and cardiac output to carry it away from the site. once again though more times than not if u get blood return u went through a vein and not directly in it especially if u did a try IM angle. so for all u non-aspirators rest assure u aint going to die...if so we would kill people in hospitals and clinics everyday and we dont.

 

[muscle37]

your body develops collateral blood flow allow the time so it is very likely that there wasnt a vein there before. new capillaries pop up here and there all the time.

Thanks for all the posts. As mentioned, I had a blood stream rush from my delt and down my arm like a runaway train and faster than I could wipe it before it dripped off my elbow. It immediately stopped bleeding when I put pressure on it though. Yesterday I noticed a small (quarter-sized?) bruise at the spot I injected. I can massage it and it's not even tender or sore. I've injected over the years probably a couple hundred times between glutes and delts and this has happened probably 3-5 times total. I do remember getting IM vaccines during Basic, etc and they never aspirated; as well as an IM shot in delt of Toradol by doc back in May and he didn't aspirate either. The weird thing is I've always injected in the same area of delt/glute and usually never even get a trickle. I just it was odd that I hit the same area of the right delt that I hit earlier and it seems like a blood vessel decided to "move" to this same location. Since I always alternate delts and glutes, I've got a full 2 weeks before I have to use the right delt again.
Based on some of these posts, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing and not worry about it. That is, keep up all common sense sanitary/disinfection habits, get air bubbles out of syringe, etc and then just plunge and GROW.

 

[VictorZ06]

ok guys...if theres one thing i know more about than aas and working out its medicine. i have worked in the medical field specifically transplant as a rn for several years. truth be told majority of people nurses doctors and everyone else licensed to give injections do not aspirate. when we run iv drips on pumps they get air in them all the time and these are running through lines that sit in the heart. Arterial ines in peoples radial and femoral arteries get little air bubbles in them from time to time and it messes up the monitoring of the waveform...so what do we do...flush it out with saline. bottom line...speaking from experience of a trained medical professional a little air here and there is harmless. no one knows how much air it exactly takes to get air embolism bc it depends on anatomy and cardivascule functioning but its at least three cc's. if u want to aspirate go ahead most text books say too...is it going to kill u if u dont...NO it wont. the thing that always bugs me when i get blood leakage after a pin is knowing that the blood more than likely served as a transporter for some of my oil to leak out needles pathway, which is why i sometimes leave the needle in for a moment to allow for absorption or if it does happen to be in a vein to allow for normal cardiac flow and cardiac output to carry it away from the site. once again though more times than not if u get blood return u went through a vein and not directly in it especially if u did a try IM angle. so for all u non-aspirators rest assure u aint going to die...if so we would kill people in hospitals and clinics everyday and we dont.

Good post, thanks for sharing. It's good to hear real world/life experiences and to back up my findings in the studies I originally posted.


/V

 

[muscle37]

Funny thing about this...as I sat outside one of my patients room and wrote this reply his iv pump starting beeping and the alarm said air in line (there was a tiny bubble or two in the line infusing an antibiotic called unasyn that we give to fresh kidney transplants) know what the fix was....? Hit the restart button haha. Was kinda just a funny coincidence. So see real life happening that's harmless.

 

[BigBird]

Funny thing about this...as I sat outside one of my patients room and wrote this reply his iv pump starting beeping and the alarm said air in line (there was a tiny bubble or two in the line infusing an antibiotic called unasyn that we give to fresh kidney transplants) know what the fix was....? Hit the restart button haha. Was kinda just a funny coincidence. So see real life happening that's harmless.

Good stuff. Pretty muich validates my initial gut feelings on this whole aspirating thing anyway. It's not like we're plunging 3 ccs of empty air into our muscles. All this reassurance and real life examples are good enough for me to relax and feel comfortable with what I'm doing.