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I've been reading up on DC training, im after some feedback from those who have used this style of training, the layout that you used, and any info to help educate me on the routine..
Anybody used it In a 4 day split? I like to hit the gym 4 times a week!
 
There is no variation of DC...Monday, Wednesday, Friday, that's it. If you feel that's not enough, then you are not pushing yourself hard enough on your A and B's.

The carb cut off was a little hard for me because we eat as a Family at 6:30-7:00. DC is an amazing program, research it, learn it, and beat the book! I saw amazing gains in both strength and lagging parts. The worst part about it is the damn extreme stretching, you'll fucking hate life during tose times ha ha.
 
I'll comment later, OP please list your stats, height, weight, years training, styles of training used, goals etc.
 
Subbed^. I trained w/ the DC method. I'm more of a volume person, so I'm interested in this and the opinions! :)
 
Age:21
Height:5:10
Weight:180lbs
Goals:increase in strength and mass just finished cutting
Years training:5
Previous routines: 5x5 full body split, HIT Dorian Yates, destroy and flood, various 4 day splits involving just compound exercises with reps and sets mixed up over a period of time.
 
Ezskanken- yeah you no, I'm glad his going to chime in he knows his shiiiit!
 
I'll be home later today, on my phone right now and not my computer but when I am I'll hit you up with my thoughts ok?
 
Ezskanken- yeah you no, I'm glad his going to chime in he knows his shiiiit!

If I can suggest something, start by picking 3 exercises for each muscle group so Anabolic5150 isn't doing everything for you. If you can, type out a sample A and B with all 3 exercises and Anabolic will tell you find different ones or your good. Remember that back will be separated into 2 categories which is thickness and width, so you'll need 3 each for those as well for your rotation. No BB bench in DC. Look up Shelby Starnes shoulder stretch on youtube, much nicer then the other shoulder stretch IMO. Search for Dante's daily shoulder program, all you'll need is a beach towel for this. Get yourself a little stop watch for accurate timing on calves, helped me out a lot. Realize how much you need to eat, get your macros straight while you have the time. Don't even think about tweaking anything, once you do, your not doing DC anymore...
 
Great info, thanks I'm also on my iPhone so once I'm back on my laptop I'll type out a proposed routine..
 
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OP, post up a proposed routine and let me see how well you understand DC. You can also research it at IntenseMuscle.com - Powered by vBulletin

Read the sticky in the Pound Puppy sub-section of the Dogg Pound by Elroy, it is the basics condensed into one section. Ask questions but I will say this, if you think you need to tweak the program you are not doing DC and I will not help you.
 
I advise being careful with the frequency on this program. I have done HIT oriented programs in the past, and I found that I was often only able to train twice a week and not feel like garbage. My sleep patterns were also poor at the time, so that may have also been a contributing factor. Nonetheless, even keeping the sleep variable the same, I do better with higher volume routines where failure is mostly avoided.

I am not trying to dissuade you from trying such a program. There are some very advanced examples of people who espouse this form of training. Additionally, I only lightly experimented with different frequencies and volumes, so perhaps you will have better luck with different parameters.
 
When I was doing DC. I found when your body adapts, it's good to keep a positive nitrate balance through the training. I normally would really concentrate on BCAA's to get me through so the body doesn't break down during or after training. Of course you really need a lot of macro nutrients in between sessions IMO..
 
If your not capable or willing to push yourself beyond your current comfort zone this isnt for you.
If you think its not enough your not doing it right. WHen I was training DC last year I went through 3 training partners. All HEAVILY geared up...
in the 250-290lb range. All three fell off because they couldnt hack it.
Its a tough program.
If, however, you can endure the punishment and you TAKE THE REST DAYS AS PRESCRIBED, and eat like prescribed youll reap benefits like you cant even imagine.

At first you think its not enough. fight the instinct to do more. Do exactly as prescribed.
After 2 weeks youll see. Its too much if anything.

Keep the log book. This is the whole point. Progression. Every time you train you move forward and the book shows you your progression which is awesome. Instead of being stagnant like so many people in the gym your always making progress.

DC is not for everyone.
Its hard.
But the harder it is the harder you become. Best program I have ever used hands down.
 
Have been doing some reading and am i right in saying DC training should be as follows

- 2-5 warm up sets for each exercise
- 1 working set which is controlled but explosive positive and a true 6-8 second negative phases. Most exercises are done by using a MAIN REST PAUSE SET for e.g 200lbs for 8reps..10 deep breaths 200lbs 4-6reps..200lbs 1-2reps total failure on each set, set should be finished on the negative.
- some exercises don't use the main rest pause set e.g deadlifts
- extreme stretching after EVERY EXERCISE
- static hold straight after working set (hold for 20 seconds 4 inchs in motion)

workout plan
A, B, A
B, A, B

Week 1
Monday (A)

Chest 10-15 RP Smith incline bench
Shoulder 10-15 RP military press
Triceps 15-20 RP close grip bench
Back width 15-20 RP close grip lat pulldown
Back thickness 8-20 SS Deadlift

Wednesday (B)
Biceps 10-15 RP ez bar curls
Forearms 15 RP pinwheel curls
calves seated calf raises (2 second positive 15 second negative 12 reps)
Hamstrings 15-20 SS stiff legged deads
quads 20 SS squats

Friday (A)
Chest 10-15 RP chest press machine
Shoulder 10-15 RP DB shoulder press
Triceps 15-20 RP skullcrushers
Back width 15-20 RP wide grip pullups
Back thickness 8-20 SS bentover rows

week 2
monday (B)

Biceps 10-15 RP preacher curls
Forearms 15 RP reverse cable curls
calves standing calf raises (2 second positive 15 second negative 12 reps)
Hamstrings 15-20 SS leg curls
quads 20 SS leg press

wednesday (A)
Chest 10-15 RP DB flat
Shoulder 10-15 RP shoulder press machine
Triceps 15-20 RP reverse grip bench
Back width 15-20 RP chin ups
Back thickness 8-20 SS t-bar row

Friday (B)
Biceps 10-15 RP incline DB curl
Forearms 15 RP static hold
calves with leg press (2 second positive 15 second negative 12 reps)
Hamstrings 15-20 SS sumo leg press (heels only)
quads 20 SS leg ext

Then Repeat, any exercises i don't improve on each weak change!

Stretching

CHEST: Flat bench 90lb dumbbells chest high--lungs full of air-- I drop down into the deepest flye I can for the first 10 seconds or so with my lungs full of air and chest out---then staying there I arch my back slightly and try to press my sternum upward --this is absolutely excruciating--the rest of the 60 seconds I try to concentrate on dropping my elbows even farther down (I try to but I don't think they are going any lower--LOL)---the last 15 seconds I'm pretty much shaking like a leaf, I have tears in my eyes and I think about dropping bodybuilding and becoming a tap dancer on Broadway (ok that parts not true)--My opinion is people should use dumbbells that are a little over half of what your heaviest set of 6-8 reps would be.

TRICEPS: Seated on a flat bench-my back up against the barbell---75lb dumbell in my hand behind my head(like in an overhead dumbell extension)--sink dumbell down into position for the first 10 seconds and then an agonizing 50 seconds slightly leaning back and pushing the dumbell down with the back of my head I like one arm at a time in the bottom position of a dumbell triceps extension----going to the extreme stretch and then slightly pushing on the dumbell with the back of my head.

SHOULDERS: This one is tough to describe--put a barbell in the squat rack shoulder height--face away from it and reach back and grab it palms up (hands on bottom of bar)---walk yourself outward until you are on your heels and the stretch gets painful--then roll your shoulders downward and hold for 60 seconds.

BICEPS: Olympic bar in a power rack or squat rack about neck high---face away from it and reach back and put both hands over the bar gripping it----now either sink down with one leg forward/one leg back or better yet squat down and try (I say try because its absolutely excruciating) to kneel. Go down to the stretch that is almost unbearable and then hold that for 45 to 60 seconds. Your own bodyweight is the load. What I do is put the bar at a place on the squat rack in which I can kneel at a severe stretch and then try to sink my ass down to touch my feet. If its too easy I put the bar up to the next rung.

BACK: Honestly for about 3 years my training partner and I would hang a 100lb dumbell from our waist and hung on the widest chin-up bar (with wrist straps) to see who could get closest to 3 minutes--I never made it--I think 2 minutes 27 seconds was my record--but my back width is by far my best body part--I pull on a doorknob or stationary equipment with a rounded back now and its way too hard too explain here--just try it and get your feel for it.

HAMSTRINGS: Either leg up on a high barbell holding my toe and trying to force my leg straight with my free hand for an excruciating painful 60 seconds

A couple of questions i have on the extreme stretching

- for back do you hang with straight arms, or a slight bend?
- i haven't got a stretch for QUADS
 
Again, I'll respond when on my laptop. Something's you've posted are outdated and I'll address them so you have correct information.
 
I'm in bold

Have been doing some reading and am i right in saying DC training should be as follows

- 2-5 warm up sets for each exercise
- 1 working set which is controlled but explosive positive and a true 6-8 second negative phases The negative is not counted in seconds but should be controlled and deliberate . Most exercises are done by using a MAIN REST PAUSE SET for e.g 200lbs for 8reps..10 deep breaths 200lbs 4-6reps..200lbs 1-2reps total failure on each set, set should be finished on the negative.
- some exercises don't use the main rest pause set e.g deadlifts Back thickness exercises are hardly ever rest paused
- extreme stretching after EVERY EXERCISE
- static hold straight after working set (hold for 20 seconds 4 inchs in motion) Only used by very advanced trainees

workout plan
A, B, A
B, A, B

Week 1
Monday (A)

Chest 10-15 RP Smith incline bench
Shoulder 10-15 RP military press
Triceps 15-20 RP close grip bench
Back width 15-20 RP close grip lat pulldown
Back thickness 8-20 SS Deadlift One set of 8-10 SS and one of 10-12 SS is usually best

Wednesday (B)
Biceps 10-15 RP ez bar curls
Forearms 15 RP pinwheel curls Most forearm exercises are done for a SS of 15-20 reps
calves seated calf raises (2 second positive 15 second negative 12 reps) Explode up, 5 second hold at the top, slow negative, 12 second hold at the bottom, explode up
Hamstrings 15-20 SS stiff legged deads
quads 20 SS squats A 20 rep widow maker done with one half the working set is used by most, leg press can be used for the widow

Friday (A)
Chest 10-15 RP chest press machine
Shoulder 10-15 RP DB shoulder press
Triceps 15-20 RP skullcrushers
Back width 15-20 RP wide grip pullups
Back thickness 8-20 SS bentover rows See back thickness above

week 2
monday (B)

Biceps 10-15 RP preacher curls
Forearms 15 RP reverse cable curls See above
calves standing calf raises (2 second positive 15 second negative 12 reps) See above
Hamstrings 15-20 SS leg curls
quads 20 SS leg press

wednesday (A)
Chest 10-15 RP DB flat
Shoulder 10-15 RP shoulder press machine
Triceps 15-20 RP reverse grip bench
Back width 15-20 RP chin ups
Back thickness 8-20 SS t-bar row See above

Friday (B)
Biceps 10-15 RP incline DB curl
Forearms 15 RP static hold
calves with leg press (2 second positive 15 second negative 12 reps) See above
Hamstrings 15-20 SS sumo leg press (heels only)
quads 20 SS leg ext Leg extensions are not recommended, stick with squats, presses, hacks, front squats

Then Repeat, any exercises i don't improve on each weak change! Only change an exercise after you have failed to increase reps or weight used after 2-3 rotations through that exercise

Stretching
CHEST: Flat bench 90lb dumbbells chest high--lungs full of air-- I drop down into the deepest flye I can for the first 10 seconds or so with my lungs full of air and chest out---then staying there I arch my back slightly and try to press my sternum upward --this is absolutely excruciating--the rest of the 60 seconds I try to concentrate on dropping my elbows even farther down (I try to but I don't think they are going any lower--LOL)---the last 15 seconds I'm pretty much shaking like a leaf, I have tears in my eyes and I think about dropping bodybuilding and becoming a tap dancer on Broadway (ok that parts not true)--My opinion is people should use dumbbells that are a little over half of what your heaviest set of 6-8 reps would be.

TRICEPS: Seated on a flat bench-my back up against the barbell---75lb dumbell in my hand behind my head(like in an overhead dumbell extension)--sink dumbell down into position for the first 10 seconds and then an agonizing 50 seconds slightly leaning back and pushing the dumbell down with the back of my head I like one arm at a time in the bottom position of a dumbell triceps extension----going to the extreme stretch and then slightly pushing on the dumbell with the back of my head.

SHOULDERS: This one is tough to describe--put a barbell in the squat rack shoulder height--face away from it and reach back and grab it palms up (hands on bottom of bar)---walk yourself outward until you are on your heels and the stretch gets painful--then roll your shoulders downward and hold for 60 seconds.

BICEPS: Olympic bar in a power rack or squat rack about neck high---face away from it and reach back and put both hands over the bar gripping it----now either sink down with one leg forward/one leg back or better yet squat down and try (I say try because its absolutely excruciating) to kneel. Go down to the stretch that is almost unbearable and then hold that for 45 to 60 seconds. Your own bodyweight is the load. What I do is put the bar at a place on the squat rack in which I can kneel at a severe stretch and then try to sink my ass down to touch my feet. If its too easy I put the bar up to the next rung.

BACK: Honestly for about 3 years my training partner and I would hang a 100lb dumbell from our waist and hung on the widest chin-up bar (with wrist straps) to see who could get closest to 3 minutes--I never made it--I think 2 minutes 27 seconds was my record--but my back width is by far my best body part--I pull on a doorknob or stationary equipment with a rounded back now and its way too hard too explain here--just try it and get your feel for it.

HAMSTRINGS: Either leg up on a high barbell holding my toe and trying to force my leg straight with my free hand for an excruciating painful 60 seconds

Those stretches are from InHuman who was a beast, use a weight that you can hold the stretch for the full 60 seconds. Say for chest, that might be 20 pounds.

A couple of questions i have on the extreme stretching

- for back do you hang with straight arms, or a slight bend? Straight
- i haven't got a stretch for QUADS Look for the demo of InHuman stretching his quads in a sissy squat fashion. I have a quad stretch that I use but not time to describe it but will later


I'll check back later, busy with my daughter.
 
Great thanks for the input! will make those changes. And will take the static holds out until I feel they are necessary.
As far as my diet goes, is a carb cut of at 6 a must? I don't workout until 7 pm so my prework out meal is around 5:30-6 and my postwork out meal is around 9 pm which both include carbs?
 
Im not sure what your gonna do there.
Keep in mind your body doesnt know what time it is really. It knows how long your awake. So if a guy goes to sleep at 10pm and another guy goes to sleep at 2am the 2am guy can eat carbs later than the 10pm guy.
I would still eat carbs around your training.
 
Brundel is correct, depending on what time you go to bed is the deciding factor. I used to train at 6pm, have a carb meal at 8 after a PWO shake following training and go to bed at 12-12:30. Now I train at 2-3pm and cut off carbs at 6 because I'm in bed by 10 or so.
 
Okay well i normally eat around 9-9:30pm and sleep at 11-12pm last meal of the day is 250g sweet potato can of Tuna and broccoli.
 
I got to say, I did the DC for a while and couldn't get my body to recover.(probably diet)-- But after reading more on it lately, and knowing David Henry (Lana's Egg White Athlete)--shameless plug--go team Lana! LOL.. I might re visit this and give it another shot! I am a bit stale coming off PCT. Good thread!

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Anabolic always reminded me to know where I'll be when it was time to eat, if I knew I wasn't going to be around good food, "pack it" as he would say. "Never miss a meal," was another one which makes complete sense when your going to failure your whole time in the gym ha ha. I was eating at 6am, 9am, 12pm, 3pm, 6-7pm, and a shake before bed. Above meals did not include pre or post workout shake. Put on weight like a mutha, and got strong as hell for me. I'm slowly getting back into the gym, and when I know I'm ready to go 1000%, DC it will be for me. Love it, and have a unbeatable resource, friend, and teacher to guide me through it.
 
I got to say, I did the DC for a while and couldn't get my body to recover.(probably diet)-- But after reading more on it lately, and knowing David Henry (Lana's Egg White Athlete)--shameless plug--go team Lana! LOL.. I might re visit this and give it another shot! I am a bit stale coming off PCT. Good thread!

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If your not 100% on your diet, your sleep, your gear, supps etc.....You start to fade very fast.
Its super hard on the body and central nervous system, however, if you get all your ducks in a row its an extremely fruitful program.
I was able to get my strength levels up to just disgusting heights. Shit I was leery of even putting on the bar I was just cranking out sets with.
sets of 15 with 315 on military press for example. At 225lbs.
You gotta be strict though with everything in your life or itll make you sick.

Packing your meals and supps becomes a necessity unless your independently wealthy.
 
I'll break DC down in a nutshell, it is diet that is spot on, training that is although brief so much more intense then anything you have ever done, cardio to keep fat at bay and getting your rest.

Notice that diet is number one on that list? It is the single most important aspect in my opinion. So many guys train hard, take cycles that are on point, get their rest yet want to keep their abs year round so they restrict calories to keep that "beach body" and then say DC sucks and they didn't grow on it.

No, you didn't eat enough calories to support growth.
 
On intensemuscle.com it also mentions this way of doing DC. I'm not an advanced bodybuiler, but I have a job where I'm on call for morning, day or night shifts 6 days a week. So time in gym can be limited in order to get enough rest. Seeing how this way I could go an extra day a week but shorten the workouts a little it would help me out alot. Do you think this could be done by a person that is willing to work hard but still not an elite bodybuilder.



For advanced bodybuilders (and with that I'm talking very elite bodybuilders and extremely strong people) I sometimes go with the following

monday=chest shoulders triceps
tuesday=biceps forearms backwidth backthickness
thursday=calves hams quads
friday-repeat of mondays bodyparts
monday-repeate of tuesdays bodyparts
tuesday-repeat of thursdays bodyparts

This way bodyparts are hit twice every 9 days or so and I can work on advanced bodybuilders lagging bodyparts somewhat better with this split.
 
On intensemuscle.com it also mentions this way of doing DC. I'm not an advanced bodybuiler, but I have a job where I'm on call for morning, day or night shifts 6 days a week. So time in gym can be limited in order to get enough rest. Seeing how this way I could go an extra day a week but shorten the workouts a little it would help me out alot. Do you think this could be done by a person that is willing to work hard but still not an elite bodybuilder.



For advanced bodybuilders (and with that I'm talking very elite bodybuilders and extremely strong people) I sometimes go with the following

monday=chest shoulders triceps
tuesday=biceps forearms backwidth backthickness
thursday=calves hams quads
friday-repeat of mondays bodyparts
monday-repeate of tuesdays bodyparts
tuesday-repeat of thursdays bodyparts

This way bodyparts are hit twice every 9 days or so and I can work on advanced bodybuilders lagging bodyparts somewhat better with this split.


It really does matter how advanced you are.
If you train legs hard and cant walk for a week your not gonna make it. It hinges on your bodies ability to recover. If your an advanced or elite athlete your body is conditioned to work hard and recover or even get by on what would be unhealthy for a normal person.
A good gauge is to try it for a month.
If after that month your aggressive in your training still and you feel good. Mood is ok, hunger is up, you still WANT to train. Your either going to do well on the program or are not really giving it 110%.
 
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