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hey everyone,
ive been constantly changing my mind about what im gona run for my first cycle and am still a long way off deciding, however ive heard many high recomendations about deca?dbol using low dosages say 200-300mg deca and 10-15mg dbol. using the deca for 8 weeks and only using the dbol for the 1st 4 weeks. what does everyone think of that, by the way im trying to stay away from test if possible due to mpb susceptibility. any thoughts aare apreciated, thanks
 
why dont you run a smaller dosage of test...ie. 250 mg/week instead of the average 500...deca is good stacking gear, im sure u know that from ur research, but the majority of ppl will not recommend a deca only cycle...
 
I have had great results from two deca cycles. From all the different opinions I've heard it just depends on you. I am going to try a cycle adding some prop to the deca, within the next two months. Depending on how long you are gonna wait until you start I will let you know how mine goes. I still think that a good 400mg weekly cycle is plenty for first timers. Myself, if I don't like the test, I will go back to deca only cycles. You don't swell up, but you get good quality, steady gains. Again, it seems to depend on the person.
 
pengers84 said:
hey everyone,
ive been constantly changing my mind about what im gona run for my first cycle and am still a long way off deciding, however ive heard many high recomendations about deca?dbol using low dosages say 200-300mg deca and 10-15mg dbol. using the deca for 8 weeks and only using the dbol for the 1st 4 weeks. what does everyone think of that, by the way im trying to stay away from test if possible due to mpb susceptibility. any thoughts aare apreciated, thanks
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IMO...if you think that test causes MPB you shouldn't be using AS as you have done no research on the topic...
 
LAM said:
IMO...if you think that test causes MPB you shouldn't be using AS as you have done no research on the topic...
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yeah, i know that test doesnt cause mbp but i have been told, by an experienced user that it can accelerate it. and that with lower doses of dbol you can usually avoid this acceleration. Do you agree with that? i have done a lot of research and plan to do a lot more, im am not using AS yet im just researching and looking into it.
 
Running deca without test is not a great idea. Main problem is that you run the risk of not being able to get your dick hard..."deca dick" is what you may hear it referred to. I would rethink your cycle and at the very least run a low dose of test.
 
pengers84 said:
yeah, i know that test doesnt cause mbp but i have been told, by an experienced user that it can accelerate it. and that with lower doses of dbol you can usually avoid this acceleration. Do you agree with that? i have done a lot of research and plan to do a lot more, im am not using AS yet im just researching and looking into it.
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DHT derivatives like winstrol, maesteron, primbolan, etc. are what you want to watch out for if MPB is an issue. just because you increase your T levels doesn't mean that the AR receptors of the hair follicules will react differently to increased levels of DHT.
 
R1, I've only tried Winny, Deca, Sustanon and EQ, and so far DECA was my favorite, and this was run on a low calorie diet which is a NO-NO.

I've been very disappointed at my current EQ cycle, for right after X-mas I will start a new one of Deca 600mg + 250 sustanon to replace natural test.

I did not run HCG during cycle on my deca cycle (as I should have) and I still did not get shrinkage.

So for me deca was a good steroid, did not make me breakout or go from happy to extremely irritated as Testosterone did.
 
The first time I used the Deca only cycle I used no pct at all, no hcg, nothing!! I got very good solid gains and kept them. I had no shrinkage and no deca dick. Same for this cycle, I have not used any hcg and no PCT besides an over the counter, OXO6. I have been off for a week now and have one more to go until the deca peters out. I LIKE DECA, I said it and I'll say it to anyone. I do plan on adding prop next cycle to see, of course I will be adding a-dex, hcg, and nolva for pct. I'm not taking any chances with the test. And if I feel I don't like it I will drop it and just continue on the deca.
 
pengers

IMO, for a first cycle, minimum dosages should be run. For one, your body hasnt seen elevated T levels, so it'll react nicely to them. I know a lot of guys won't agree with me but thats my opinion. Almost any guy I talk to says test is some pretty heavy shit as far as sides go (acne etc.) Now before you guys start yellin at me saying 'test is the base to any cycle', I totally agree with that. But I think with a limited amount of test you can achieve awesome results. Now some guys would argue that you will shut yourself down either way, why not just inject a higher dosage just to get maximum results. Thats a valid argument. But who's to say at what dosage a newbie will see results? I can understand the logic behind someone whos done several cycles needing 500-750 mg/week of test, but a newbie? I can't justify it.

My first cycle will be:
orbit labs 300mg deca/week, week 1-10
orbit labs 250mg test enan/week, week 1-10
Thai D-bol, 25mg/day weeks 1-4
Nolvadex for pct

i was told that orbit labs gear is a bit overdosed. Even without gear, I am prone to get some acne on my back, imagine if I just run a 500mg/week for ten week cycle of test, I would break out like a mofo. Of course it all depends on diet and training, i like to think of myself as fairly disciplined;), anyways thats my two cents..
 
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pengers

Almost any guy I talk to says test is some pretty heavy shit as far as sides go (acne etc.)
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you either suffer from acne or you don't, adding test "may" aggravate it, but not create it...
 
Deeno what is your weight? I'd most probably up the deca to 400 mg/week...
 
im at 170 rite now..

Lam your right, i didn't phrase it properly, either way the test will aggravate acne that I already have a tendency to get.
 
True, thats where B5 comes in, or for me accutane.
 
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Deeno, I am still prone to acne at 30 years old, and Testosterone makes me breakout a lot, although never as NASTY and REPULSIVE as some guys I've seen in the gym...
That is why I'd rather shoot DECA 600 mg, and only 200-250 of test to replace your natural test and then some... you can even run 1/2 of that and it will prevent deca-dick.
just remember HCG if you do Deca, it will save you lots of troubles.
 
MUDGE, on some other thread I read you commented that DECA inhibits some other hormone production besides test... what is it?? I read that DECA is a favorite steroid for long-term treatment of many wasting diseases... but never read about the other hormonal effects. Can you comment on this please?
 
I'm lucky in that testosterone does not cause me to break out, or accelerate hair loss. I have a nice thick head of graying hair :).

I have a question related to this thread. Is it sufficient to inject deca one a week? I notice many go twice weekly, but with the 15 day half life of the decanote ester it seems to me once a week should be fine.
 
Once a week is completely fine IMO. I do enanthate once a week again and I'm fine with it.

ZorroAzul said:
MUDGE, on some other thread I read you commented that DECA inhibits some other hormone production besides test... what is it??
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Supposedly this is why its so inhibitive, a double whammy effect. The hormone should be progesterone, one of 3 hormones that women watch closely. If the subject is so old that they dont have sex this is not a huge issue, if there is a problem then they can deal with it accordingly.

My friends father was put on Halotestin for wasting issues in his early 70s. If you are curious, yes she said it made him very moody, he would throw things if not cooked his favorite meals etc

I even ran into people using deca on HOME CHEMICAL CASTRATION sites, people who for whatever reason are against having sex I guess. Some people can run 200-400mg of deca by itself with no problems, some others young and old can put a small amount in a cycle inclusive of test and STILL have problems.
 
I am not sure how I ran into it, I remember it was via a search on Google, just dont remember what I was looking for. I thought it pretty strange that people were so freaky about not having sex.
 
well if u seen my missus u woodnt have sex either
 
pop said:
well if u seen my missus u woodnt have sex either
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that is fucked but but funny...lol
 
I was curious about the "chemical castration", did a search and ran in to "EUNUCH.ORG"

Oh-my-god... these people are sick, 2 minutes browsing through the webpage and I thought I was reading silence of the lambs... so many wackos in this world.
 
Mudge I hear ya bro...I've ran into so many F'ed up sites online doing searches. I get a kick out of some of the wacked out things people do.
 
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