Do you belive in God?

[bio-chem]

well now we see where your understanding is flawed. maybe it was gococks but it wasnt me. you admit yourself to being unsure. the piece on 20/20 about that town is true although that community is not 100,000 strong and is in no way affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. the community and others like it not just found in utah, but also in texas and arizona have no connection with salt lake and each group considers the other apostate from the truth. before you go spouting off things as truth that you admit to not being able to remember correctly i think you should check your facts. and if you want to claim mormons as an institution are bigoted prove it. show a reference from an LDS leader that shows we are bigoted and hate homosexuals.

 

[buff_tat2d_chic]

I vote he just STFU.. who is with me?

 

[njc]

Interesting... i find the opposite.. the more science I learn, the more I believe in God. The element of chance is far too great, in my opinion.

Aliens creating us only moves the creation problem elsewhere. I've always seen this proposal as simply an admission of the impossiblity of our existence by chance.

Same here. The more I study, the more I believe.

When I kick back and think about the essence of my mind. My ability to experience such a broad range of emotions. The ability of my mind to think and to reason and to percieve. Its hard for me to believe that my mind could "just happen". No way.

 

[njc]

I see theres more proof of satan in this world then god. Although I do believe there is a god or creator of this world. Or maybe god and satan are the same. This world could just be for amusement for god. I believe this world is getting more evil every day.

Proof of Satan is proof of god in itself.

I dont think the world is getting more evil but im certain that the U.S. is.
Jesus said, "for assuredly I say unto thee, it is more likely that a camel pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter upon the kingdon of heaven.

Our materialistic sociey should be by everyones defention evil. How many people starve to death so someone can drive a 50,000 dollar vehicle? The rich get rich and the poorer get poorer. If god where to come back and destroy a civilization as he supposedly has in the past Id expect America to be his first choice.

Whether or not you believe Jesus Christ to be your lord it is essentially of no debate that the man existed as did his teachings. And his teachings were great. I was reading an excerpt from a piece of Literature authored by an agnostic, dont remember his first name but his last was Templeton. Even himself, having great doubts to the validity of Jesus being the one said, "he was the greatest spiritual and moral genius who ever lived". We can all learn much from his teachings. Just read them and tell me you feel nothing.

 

[brogers]

I just love the hypocrisy, of John H, telling everyone to have an "open mind," yet he is the most close minded, stereotyping person on this thread. I don't think being close minded is always bad either, but how about practicing what you preach since you dwell on being "open minded" so much and fail miserably at it.

You write essays whining about religion, and religious leaders and how nothing but evil comes out of religion period. That is one of the most foolish statements one could make. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, saying that is ridiculous considering the millions of people assisted by Christian churches, charities, and groups. From what I take you're one of the most bitter people I've ever encountered. I think that you have serious psychological issues.

 

[maniclion]

• 
  ....But I believe in love.
  I believe in babies.
  I believe in Mom and Dad.
  And I believe in you.
  
  

Well, I don't believe that heaven waits,
For only those who congregate.
I like to think of God as love:
He's down below, He's up above.
He's watching people everywhere.
He knows who does and doesn't care.
And I'm an ordinary man,
Sometimes I wonder who I am.... Don Williams

 

[gococksDJS]

I just love the hypocrisy, of John H, telling everyone to have an "open mind," yet he is the most close minded, stereotyping person on this thread. I don't think being close minded is always bad either, but how about practicing what you preach since you dwell on being "open minded" so much and fail miserably at it.

You write essays whining about religion, and religious leaders and how nothing but evil comes out of religion period. That is one of the most foolish statements one could make. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, saying that is ridiculous considering the millions of people assisted by Christian churches, charities, and groups. From what I take you're one of the most bitter people I've ever encountered. I think that you have serious psychological issues.

couldn't agree more...

 

[maniclion]

One Love! One Heart!
Let's get together and feel all right.
Hear the children cryin' (One Love!);
Hear the children cryin' (One Heart!),


Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love!);
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart!):
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner,
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?

 

[maniclion]

Love.

Love is the answer to all of your questions.

 

[nsimmons]

To mr_oo3

The PM isnt working, to answer your question i took some phil in college, logic, advanced logic. General history of hobbes, descartes, spinoza, leibniz, hume. Besides various extracts I specifically read leviathan (a task and a half!) by hobbes and descartes meditations. Whiles hobbes ideas are very dated I found them the most interesting. Descartes work was way to religiously biased for it to be compelling. Ive been meaning to study some of the ancient greek work as well as more modern philosophers, but havent had much time.

[edit]
I just noticed it sent you 4 pm's i guess its my browser. Im using linux and mozilla, havent installed firefox yet

 

[John H.]

well that and they all touched children in a sexual way.

Bio,

You are wasting your time in college. You are there to LEARN - ALL things from ALL perspectives with an OPEN MIND. To do anything else IS NOT LEARNING. And you constantly show your total lack for any TRUTHFUL desire to actually LEARN anything.

If you can not see the difference between these people you are sad.

John H.

 

[John H.]

WTF John, beleifs are just that beleifs!! U beleive in some form of a higher being right??? "Are your "beliefs" based on the FACTS? Accurate, honest facts?" I think not, beleif is pretty another word for opinion....

I dont really care if the pope, president or prime minister of Guatemala said the research was all fine and dandy, I personaly, from what I have read (and watched) about this fella and his so called research, disagree with the methods used and BELEIVE that they were wrong! What important breakthru did these "studies" provide to humanity?? If one's only concern in life is sex, I can see why this would be so damn imperative, but I dont see how this benefited our scientific knowledge as a society!
So we know that children orgasm....Woopdeefuckingdoo!!!! How does this advance our comprehension of sexual behaviour?? Do you ever consider the repercussions of these "experiments" on the children(and families) involved?? Perhaps U should read into that as well...

Hi Crazy,

"Beliefs" can come about to "fill a void" for someone. To have some kind of "answer" for the moment but those "beliefs" are not always accurate, true, complete, honest, etc. We can "believe" one way and later on "believe another way" based on what we subsequently learn - which is a part of being Human and experiencing life along the way - we learn (hopefully) along the way in each of our lives. Early on we know next to nothing and throughout our lives we learn and add on to what we "already know" but the methods we use to DO that honestly is very important. Considering ALL things from ALL perspectives ALL the time with an OPEN MIND OBJECTIVELY is IMPERATIVE. To do otherwise is lying to oneself. And to others as well.

First of all this is supposed to be a place for discussion - about whatever. And I like to DISCUSS with people ALL aspects of ANYTHING - as a mature adult who happens to be a Male - but is a Human Being. From all angles.

In order for Human Beings to understand about themselves at all age levels because there is a beginning and and end to the life of each of us and an inbetween and to UNDERSTAND it you must research it from beginning to end to have a complete understanding and to know how to deal with any problems or questions that come about. Scientific research is done with that in mind - for the BETTERMENT and UNDERSTANDING of ALL things. TO HELP SINCERELY. NEVER to ABUSE anyone ever.

You need to do more personal research into this subject and the work Dr. Kinsey and his Associates and others like him did and know the benefits their work achieves FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL people. Do you think Dr. Kinsey is the only person to have done this research? Not at all. But he sure TRIED his very best as a fellow Human Being TO DO CREDIBLE, HELPFUL, ACCURATE, HONEST, COMPLETE, THOROUGH, SINCERE, etc. research to the best of his abilities because he knew and understood the NEED. And we ALL have BENEFITED GREATLY from his work. His work has stood the test of time and a hell of a lot of extreme scrutiny which he WELCOMED because he understood the importance of the work and the need for HONEST QUESTIONING BY ALL PEOPLE FROM ALL ANGLES and purposes. He KNEW his work would draw "fire" from some people and he wanted to ANSWER their concerns as well. HONESTLY.

Dr. Kinsey was a family man and a father as well and loved his family AND HIS CHILDREN - and as a mature adult CHILDREN in general. NOT as an "abuser" of people but someone WHO HELPED OTHERS SINCERELY AND HONESTLY.

Take Care, John H.

 

[busyLivin]

John, you call anyone who does not agree with you close-minded. Your devotion to Kinsey is yours. Our dislike of him is ours. VARIETY!!

 

[tucker01]

Please explain to me what we have benefited from Dr. Kinsey's work? HONESTLY

And don't go off on some tangent, I just want a cut and dry answer for a change

 

[devildog88]

Here is a great article and a great outlook on life!
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3549082

 

[John H.]

I just love the hypocrisy, of John H, telling everyone to have an "open mind," yet he is the most close minded, stereotyping person on this thread. I don't think being close minded is always bad either, but how about practicing what you preach since you dwell on being "open minded" so much and fail miserably at it.

You write essays whining about religion, and religious leaders and how nothing but evil comes out of religion period. That is one of the most foolish statements one could make. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, saying that is ridiculous considering the millions of people assisted by Christian churches, charities, and groups. From what I take you're one of the most bitter people I've ever encountered. I think that you have serious psychological issues.

Brogers,

IF you look at the ENTIRETY of "religion" and what IT REALLY DOES - OR NOT - is what I am saying. There ARE variations in ALL things. And ALL types. GENERALLY OVERALL "religion" is not a postive in anyone's life IF IT IS NOT TRUTHFUL, HONEST, COMPLETE, ACCURATE, HELPFUL, etc. Look to the history of the past practices - and even the present OVERALL of ALL "religions" and there is a HELL OF A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT given the "definition" of what "religion" is "supposed to be" and "what it is supposed to do"... Sure there is some good and there is bad as well as with anything but on the whole there is not something to be proud of or is contributing honestly to the wellbeing of all people. Your attacking me as if I have some "psychological issues" I feel is based ON YOUR PERSONAL BELIEF DEEPDOWN at to the VALIDITY of what I am saying. You KNOW yourself there are REAL PROBLEMS with "religion" or you would not be so "upset" at someone honestly pointing that out because THEY HAVE OBSERVED IT THEMSELVES - others have to but are not always vocal about it - many just "accept" or "swallow" what "happens" and move on but that does not CORRECT something that IS WRONG. And by your own admission YOU are NOT looking at the WHOLE PICTURE FROM ALL SIDES of the equation.

John H.

 

[devildog88]

John, I think you are the Anti-Christ!

 

[John H.]

well now we see where your understanding is flawed. maybe it was gococks but it wasnt me. you admit yourself to being unsure. the piece on 20/20 about that town is true although that community is not 100,000 strong and is in no way affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. the community and others like it not just found in utah, but also in texas and arizona have no connection with salt lake and each group considers the other apostate from the truth. before you go spouting off things as truth that you admit to not being able to remember correctly i think you should check your facts. and if you want to claim mormons as an institution are bigoted prove it. show a reference from an LDS leader that shows we are bigoted and hate homosexuals.

Bio,

No one is perfect and I never said nor indicated I feel I AM. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I said AS I RECALL with regard to something I saw on several television documentaries and programs awhile back. And in those programs they provided their documentation to prove what they were saying. One of the things that is KNOWN about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is that they do not like people who are Homosexual and BiSexual at all. And have no use for them. Or understand or want to understand them.

As for various "factions" of The Church whether they are "affiliated" directly or not they still consider themselves as believing in your church basically except for variations. And those beliefs are some of what your original Church as founded believed in - maybe not now but certainly did and some still do which is my point. There are those that say they are Mormons and believe differently from the present Church of Jesus Christ. Which is why I said there are THOUSANDS of religions each with their own beliefs - as with Human Beings - each has their own beliefs about whatever... "religion" IS MAN-MADE.

As for the hatred and the bigotry it does exist in your Church. It has been reported on. To immediately bring that direct information up I can not do quoting sources "right this minute". I'll have to get back to you on that and check to see where I learned that information. But I DID hear this and not from just one source.

John H.

 

[John H.]

One Love! One Heart!
Let's get together and feel all right.
Hear the children cryin' (One Love!);
Hear the children cryin' (One Heart!),


Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love!);
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart!):
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner,
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?

Hi Maniclion,

I wish it were possible.

But as EVIDENCED by the history of "religion" and their present practices as well it is apparently not possible. This mess has been going on since the invention of "religion". And NOTHING has changed since the Coming of and Life of and Death of Christ which is what was supposed to happen as a result of that. "Religion" is STILL the SAME.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Love.

Love is the answer to all of your questions.

Hi Maniclion,

TRUE!

But look at how many do NOT - and to what extent they WILL NOT!!!

Not as for the haters, the bigots, the violence-mongers, etc. THERE ARE LEGIONS all "professing" to "believe in God and His messages" but really not following ANY.

Hypocrisy!!

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

John, you call anyone who does not agree with you close-minded. Your devotion to Kinsey is yours. Our dislike of him is ours. VARIETY!!

Hi Busy,

I understand that. MY words are based ON ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE GAINED from the work of Dr. Kinsey and His Associates from ALL perspectives. With an OPEN mind.

Anyone is entitled to their opinion or feelings or beliefs. But I hope it will always be based on ALL THE INFORMATION OF A SUBJECT. OBJECTIVELY.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Please explain to me what we have benefited from Dr. Kinsey's work? HONESTLY

And don't go off on some tangent, I just want a cut and dry answer for a change

Hi I,

I wish that were as easy as you would like it to be. Dr. Kinsey and His Associates WORKED HARD on their research HONESTLY for at least 20 years and did not have "all the answers" and still do not. It is ongoing. The research. To this very day. YOU, YOU must DO your own research into the topic as to its reasons, methodology, etc. and the WHY.

Dr. Kinsey's works that were published during his lifetime - two is all he was able to do before he died - are each about 800 pages of facts in length and took a hell of a lot of time and effort to compile and conclude. Probably 90% of what was gained still has not been published to date there was so much work to do. See www.indiana.edu/~kinsey for THE ALFRED C. KINSEY INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN SEX, GENDER, AND REPRODUCTION. It has a brief outline of the work that is do important and necessary.

Read his book entirely and read others - that is really the only way you will get the answers you are seeking. It is not a "magic answer" simply stated to be accurate.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

John, I think you are the Anti-Christ!

Devil,

No, not at all.

John H.

 

[tucker01]

John,

You are truly amazing how you twist questions around. You have founded an OPINION on what is so great about Dr. Kinsey. Please explain where this OPINION comes from and what aspects of his research supports this. Otherwise you are just posting useless banter, and are not going to have that so-called intelligent conversation you are looking for on the topic.

 

[Vieope]

Devil,

No, not at all.

John H.

Yeah devil, know who you are.

 

[devildog88]

Yeah devil, know who you are.

How could you know who I am? Its a Secret! Shhhhhhhh!

 

[crazy_enough]

Hi I,

I wish that were as easy as you would like it to be. Dr. Kinsey and His Associates WORKED HARD on their research HONESTLY for at least 20 years and did not have "all the answers" and still do not. It is ongoing. The research. To this very day. YOU, YOU must DO your own research into the topic as to its reasons, methodology, etc. and the WHY.

Dr. Kinsey's works that were published during his lifetime - two is all he was able to do before he died - are each about 800 pages of facts in length and took a hell of a lot of time and effort to compile and conclude. Probably 90% of what was gained still has not been published to date there was so much work to do. See www.indiana.edu/~kinsey for THE ALFRED C. KINSEY INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN SEX, GENDER, AND REPRODUCTION. It has a brief outline of the work that is do important and necessary.

Read his book entirely and read others - that is really the only way you will get the answers you are seeking. It is not a "magic answer" simply stated to be accurate.

Take Care, John H.

WHAT??? So WE WE must do research into the reasoning and purpose of research?? OMG, this is going nowhere...

I try to stay grounded and respect you John, but there is one thing that I truly dislike, and this would apply if it concerned anyone other than you as well, its when people dont have an answer to something, and just keep going 'round in circles, making empty claims and talking out of their their ass....

U know, kinda like when U call XYZ company, and the front line agent who answers ur call doesnt know the answer to your question, and instead of putting you on hold to find out, or simply admitting that he doesnt know, he just feeds u bullshit!! I find that type of behaviour abrasive and quite irritating...

You say that you want to "discuss" no problem, lets do that, but u have to realize that a discussion involves two or more parties who may not always agree with you, and if all u want is to always think that ure right and shove it down people's throat with mindless insults and comments, then perhaps your should re assess your "discussion" skills...

 

[King Silverback]

Only John H. Can take a thread about GOD, and turn it into a thread about abusing children sexually and "DEFEND" it!!!
Can you say............
And another thing, No-one, and I mean NO-ONE cares about the size of your manhood, please keep that to yourself, especially in a "GOD" thread. Please be respectful to the other people who came here honestly to answer a question. Not to be bombarded by a perverse child abuser defender!!!
Thank you and take care!!!

 

[bio-chem]

Bio,

You are wasting your time in college. You are there to LEARN - ALL things from ALL perspectives with an OPEN MIND. To do anything else IS NOT LEARNING. And you constantly show your total lack for any TRUTHFUL desire to actually LEARN anything.

If you can not see the difference between these people you are sad.

John H.

it must really burn you up that i get a college education while you dont. oh well.

 

[bio-chem]

Bio,

No one is perfect and I never said nor indicated I feel I AM. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I said AS I RECALL with regard to something I saw on several television documentaries and programs awhile back. And in those programs they provided their documentation to prove what they were saying. One of the things that is KNOWN about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is that they do not like people who are Homosexual and BiSexual at all. And have no use for them. Or understand or want to understand them.

As for various "factions" of The Church whether they are "affiliated" directly or not they still consider themselves as believing in your church basically except for variations. And those beliefs are some of what your original Church as founded believed in - maybe not now but certainly did and some still do which is my point. There are those that say they are Mormons and believe differently from the present Church of Jesus Christ. Which is why I said there are THOUSANDS of religions each with their own beliefs - as with Human Beings - each has their own beliefs about whatever... "religion" IS MAN-MADE.

As for the hatred and the bigotry it does exist in your Church. It has been reported on. To immediately bring that direct information up I can not do quoting sources "right this minute". I'll have to get back to you on that and check to see where I learned that information. But I DID hear this and not from just one source.

John H.

sorry to correct john on a point of LDS doctrine, but his mistakes kind of make me mad because they are so blatant. show me the sources john because you will be searching for a while. they dont exist. members of the LDS church do not believe in polygamy. those people who do believe in polygamy are completly separate and consider each other apostate. this is not like there is a faction within the church where both sides are still LDS. your understanding is flawed and i feel you should research before you post.