Do you belive in God?

[bio-chem]

i read the book in its entirety and i disagree with it's conclusions. and my library is much more extensive than the bible. how about them apples john. your arguements are tired and useless. it is not a rebuttle to say " REAL men who READ this BOOK COMPLETLY will agree with me, or the are just religious zealouts who are a waste of time." that doesnt prove anything john.

by the way i have asked 2 friends who are psychology majors at 2 different universities if any of dr kinseys work is used as reference material in any of their classes. one said the name was mentioned only briefly and the other said yes, but the professor explained the work was controversial and much of it has been turned out to be false.

basically john you need to get updated on your work. dr kinsey is now regarded in modern psychology as viewing the world as flat

 

[crazy_enough]

i read the book in its entirety and i disagree with it's conclusions. and my library is much more extensive than the bible. how about them apples john. your arguements are tired and useless. it is not a rebuttle to say " REAL men who READ this BOOK COMPLETLY will agree with me, or the are just religious zealouts who are a waste of time." that doesnt prove anything john.

by the way i have asked 2 friends who are psychology majors at 2 different universities if any of dr kinseys work is used as reference material in any of their classes. one said the name was mentioned only briefly and the other said yes, but the professor explained the work was controversial and much of it has been turned out to be false.

basically john you need to get updated on your work. dr kinsey is now regarded in modern psychology as viewing the world as flat

 

[WilliamB]

You are so full of shit you stink! The first rule is never speak of the confirms! You are a fake Son!

I didnt think it was against the rules to talk about confirms

 

[bio-chem]

thanks crazy. its funny how john has the ability to unite those who on most occasions would be on opposite ends of the spectrum. im a pretty strong believer in God, and you dont feel the same way, and yet we find common ground in regards to john. truthfully he brings the world closer together by finding a common enemy. himself. now if he could only unite christians and muslims.

 

[crazy_enough]

thanks crazy. its funny how john has the ability to unite those who on most occasions would be on opposite ends of the spectrum. im a pretty strong believer in God, and you dont feel the same way, and yet we find common ground in regards to john. truthfully he brings the world closer together by finding a common enemy. himself. now if he could only unite christians and muslims.

John is John, and as long as he belongs to this community, he will be just that, John!! When I first joined IM, I was almost compelled to root for the guy, like an obligation to "defend" fellow "sexualy challenged" individuals! I quickly realized that even his sexual "prouesse" with men are probably imaginary! He manages to get really close to making sense sometimes, but when RELIGION and GOD became the reason for every bad thing that happens in this world, except for the obvious child molestation acts commited during Dr. kinsey's "research", I gave up!! lol

When it comes right down to it, while religion may play an important role in your life, it does not define your entire caracter, and I beleive that aside from our religious, and perhaps, sexual beleifs, our basic values tend to go in the same direction!! No god or lord guides my journey, but in the end, I aim to do my best to live a full, productive, fulfilling life, I have no interest in hurting/causing harm to others and do have morals and ethics in my life.

All this to say : Dont give john H too much credit... Open minds and human nature deserve a lot more praise!


























ok, now the weekend has begun, so I shall make no further intelligent comments, such as the one above!

 

[bio-chem]

point taken. have fun over the weekend

 

[King Silverback]

I DO NOT CONDONE the abuse of anyone - ESPECIALLY CHILDREN - in any form. . I never said I did and anyone that actually knows me personally KNOWS what I feel about it, etc. Having said that, Dr. Kinsey and his Associates DID NOT abuse anyone at any time. You would not KNOW that yourself because of your lack of what actually DID happen and the why behind it. And you do not see the importance of the totality of the work done.

Your the one who can't see the forest through the trees John, what could possibly be important about the sexual ABUSE of CHILDREN??? Only a sick. ignorant moron would even care about ANYTHING sexual with a CHILD!!! Do you UNDERSTAND? Even if you don't, I don't care, your obviously not stable

Not trying to be disrespectful to you but do you really hold yourself "so high" as to consider yourself as "Archangel"?
John H.

No, I do not hold myself so high, it is a way of showing my respect, something I would like to be able to live up to and one day, IF I ever come face to face with GOD, I can honestly say, I looked up to you and your Son Jesus, and tried to be the best person I could be!!!
Figures you would try to turn it on me

 

[John H.]

i read the book in its entirety and i disagree with it's conclusions. and my library is much more extensive than the bible. how about them apples john. your arguements are tired and useless. it is not a rebuttle to say " REAL men who READ this BOOK COMPLETLY will agree with me, or the are just religious zealouts who are a waste of time." that doesnt prove anything john.

by the way i have asked 2 friends who are psychology majors at 2 different universities if any of dr kinseys work is used as reference material in any of their classes. one said the name was mentioned only briefly and the other said yes, but the professor explained the work was controversial and much of it has been turned out to be false.

basically john you need to get updated on your work. dr kinsey is now regarded in modern psychology as viewing the world as flat

Bio,

Did you read SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE? Why not? DR. KINSEY AND THE INSTITUTE FOR SEX RESEARCH by Wardell Pomeroy? SEX - THE MEASURE OF ALL THINGS, by Jonathan Gaithorne-Hardy? Etc. How many bibliographies of books you read have you checked out to see how OFTEN Dr. Kinsey's works ARE CITED as sources? Books that would have utilized his research in their various subject areas. Are you aware that Dr. Kinsey's work QUESTIONED the findings and conclusions of Psychologists and Psychiatrists? And backed his research up with FACTS that HAVE stood the test of time. Why did the American Pschological Association remove Homosexuality from their list of diseases? A book a friend of mine is using in his course work in psychology at college (I can't remember the title right now because I only saw if briefly in his home while talking to him about other things and I just glanced in the biblioigraphy and Dr. Kinsey's works were cited in it and the book was published in 2005...) Try doing that with any book on a subject that concerns this topic and look at the bibliography of each book and see how many times Dr. Kinsey is cited as a source for information. You will find he is cited A LOT even to this day.

The "professor" you mention - was he from a religious college? I would expect a professor from such an institution to say what you have said "he said". Some religious people damn Dr. Kinsey and his work, you for one. And most never even opened either of the books he and his Associates researched and wrote. Criticism received WAS from mainly people who never even actually read either book or any subsequent publications. There "religions" damned those books and told their people not to read them. And they didn't and followed "what they were told to do" instead of READING the books themselves and drawing their OWN conclusions OBJECTIVELY.

Go to www.apa.org (The American Psychological Association Official website) and where provided ("Search" section at the upper left) type in "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" or "sexual orientation" and see what information they provide and from what sources.

John H.

 

[njc]

Who gives a fuck about Kinsey? Follow Jesus. Read his word. Such a genius. If everyone were to live like him there would be paradise here on earth.

 

[King Silverback]

Who gives a fuck about Kinsey? Follow Jesus. Read his word. Such a genius. If everyone were to live like him there would be paradise here on earth.

 

[bio-chem]

i didnt find any value in kinseys first book, why would i waste my time reading a second book? like i said i have an extensive library and i have better books to read.

the universities i mentioned. university of washington and washington state university. not really religious universities, nice try. john your arguements for kinsey are tired and boring. you mention the same stuff over and over, and even though it is refuted on multiple occasions you repeat it like it should change something.

 

[John H.]

I see theres more proof of satan in this world then god. Although I do believe there is a god or creator of this world. Or maybe god and satan are the same. This world could just be for amusement for god. I believe this world is getting more evil every day.

Hi Maynard,

This world IS getting more evil everyday. And it seems to come from people who are "religious".

You might have a point about God and satan are the same and this world being for amusement... Who really knows. I do know from what I have read that God only appeared so we are told ONLY ONE TIME and ONLY TO ONE MAN - Moses - when God gave Him the Ten Commandments. Given where this happened (the Middle East) where there is a lot of heat, humidity, sand blowing everywhere and in everything and low employment with people that have a lot of time on their hands and seem to always be "seeing visions" I TRULY HAVE MY DOUBTS. This world is MILLIONS of years old at the very least as nearly as can be determined by Science. I find it incredible that God would only appear ONE TIME and HIMSELF never have anything else to say. For someone who is supposed to BE ALL powerful, ALL knowing, ALL loving, Our Father, etc. it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE for someone that powerful to create a world SO DAMN SCREWED UP and HAS BEEN for ALL OF RECORDED TIME and NOTHING HAS REALLY IMPROVED. And "religion" and politics have always BEEN and ARE at the bottom of the problems of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Who gives a fuck about Kinsey? Follow Jesus. Read his word. Such a genius. If everyone were to live like him there would be paradise here on earth.

Hi njc,

Well maybe not. Remember it was the religious zealots and politicians WHO MURDERED Him we are told. And I see NO IMPROVEMENT since that happened. Things are the same.

If I had it in my power to ELIMINATE something from this earth it would be these three things:

1) Abuse of children. Abuse of anyone really.

2) Politics.

3) "Religion".

I feel these are the most DANGEROUS and I'd like to see a world without these and see how much better this world would be. God, we are told, did NOT want people to "worship" Him or Honor Him but to TREAT OTHERS WELL - FIRST AND FOREMOST - ALL OTHERS yet that has NEVER happened when you consider all that happened and happens in the world since we were told that. And no one seems to follow what we are told HE SAID TO DO!!!!!

Take Care, John H.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Archangel:

I see YOU DO NOT FOLLOW what God is said to have said about how to treat ALL OTHER PEOPLE. Yet you call yourself "archangel"...

John H.

 

[John H.]

i didnt find any value in kinseys first book, why would i waste my time reading a second book? like i said i have an extensive library and i have better books to read.

the universities i mentioned. university of washington and washington state university. not really religious universities, nice try. john your arguements for kinsey are tired and boring. you mention the same stuff over and over, and even though it is refuted on multiple occasions you repeat it like it should change something.

Bio:

You could not tell the truth if you life depended on it!

I HIGHLY DOUBT you read anything with an oobjectivity and an open mind. And for you to criticize someone when you actually have never read what they had to say is just like a "religious zealot".

Did you bother to go to www.apa.org the American Psychological Association is SEE and READ what they have to say about Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality? Go to the source. See what they had to say about Dr. Kinsey.

You keep exposing who you REALLY ARE with every word. NAROW-MINDED and BIGOTED and BIASED and NOT OBJECTIVE about anything. And CAN NOT DISCUSS anything AS A MATURE MAN. You are completely wasting your time in college. And in your life. You OWN statements PROVE THAT.

Stop "beating your religious chest" as if to try to prove to others how "saintly" you think you are. Your deeds speak louder that your false words.

John H.

 

[gococksDJS]

Bio:

You could not tell the truth if you life depended on it!

I HIGHLY DOUBT you read anything with an oobjectivity and an open mind. And for you to criticize someone when you actually have never read what they had to say is just like a "religious zealot".

Did you bother to go to www.apa.org the American Psychological Association is SEE and READ what they have to say about Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality? Go to the source. See what they had to say about Dr. Kinsey.

You keep exposing who you REALLY ARE with every word. NAROW-MINDED and BIGOTED and BIASED and NOT OBJECTIVE about anything. And CAN NOT DISCUSS anything AS A MATURE MAN. You are completely wasting your time in college. And in your life. You OWN statements PROVE THAT.

Stop "beating your religious chest" as if to try to prove to others how "saintly" you think you are. Your deeds speak louder that your false words.

John H.

John H, you bigot!!!! Stop "beating your homosexual chest" as if trying to prove your frame of mind is normal. You zealot bastard bigot narrow minded heterophobic nutbag. God will smite you...

 

[bio-chem]

Bio:

You could not tell the truth if you life depended on it!

I HIGHLY DOUBT you read anything with an oobjectivity and an open mind. And for you to criticize someone when you actually have never read what they had to say is just like a "religious zealot".

Did you bother to go to www.apa.org the American Psychological Association is SEE and READ what they have to say about Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality? Go to the source. See what they had to say about Dr. Kinsey.

You keep exposing who you REALLY ARE with every word. NAROW-MINDED and BIGOTED and BIASED and NOT OBJECTIVE about anything. And CAN NOT DISCUSS anything AS A MATURE MAN. You are completely wasting your time in college. And in your life. You OWN statements PROVE THAT.

Stop "beating your religious chest" as if to try to prove to others how "saintly" you think you are. Your deeds speak louder that your false words.

John H.

so by attacking me you hope to draw attention away from the fact kinseys work is outdated. if the things you say about me are true then the rest of the board will obviously be able to discern for themselves. yet it doesnt change the fact that your unable to defend kinsey. whether you believe it or no john i read the book. it sucked.

you said i should go to the source, isnt that what i did when i read kinseys book? now i have to go to some website so i can go to the source? john this isnt a topic i really care to spend my time reading about. i read the book so there would be another person on this board who could give an opinion on it other than you. if your really so open-minded, accept he fact people do not always agree with you and that isnt a bad thing. i think you need to go to a psychologist to help you talk through some of your issues

 

[bio-chem]

Bio:

You could not tell the truth if you life depended on it!


John H.

and because everyone makes mistakes while typing i think you should stop trying to correct people, or making broad statements about their education for something so small.

 

[njc]

Hi njc,

Well maybe not. Remember it was the religious zealots and politicians WHO MURDERED Him we are told. And I see NO IMPROVEMENT since that happened. Things are the same.

If I had it in my power to ELIMINATE something from this earth it would be these three things:

1) Abuse of children. Abuse of anyone really.

2) Politics.

3) "Religion".

I feel these are the most DANGEROUS and I'd like to see a world without these and see how much better this world would be. God, we are told, did NOT want people to "worship" Him or Honor Him but to TREAT OTHERS WELL - FIRST AND FOREMOST - ALL OTHERS yet that has NEVER happened when you consider all that happened and happens in the world since we were told that. And no one seems to follow what we are told HE SAID TO DO!!!!!

Take Care, John H.

Take Care, John H.

Thats my point exactely, people dont listen, therefore murders and death do occur, therefore paradise does not occur. Just becuase people arent living his word doesnt mean that if they were the world would be the same. Is that what youre trying to say? That doesnt make sense.

And it doesnt make sense to wish away relegion. It does many wonderful things for many people. Instead why not wish away the morons who confuse its real message or maybe even twist and abuse it to help themselves and maybe even to harm others.
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Take care as well.

 

[Newt]

Even scientist have recently started to debunk the thought of a bid bang. All science shows that something can not possibly come from nothing i.e. the "Big Bang". Even if you don't believe in a Christian God as I do, you have to believe that there is a greater power that much larger that anything science could possibly prove. If there was nothing to bang then where did the big bang come from?

 

[King Silverback]

Archangel:

I see YOU DO NOT FOLLOW what God is said to have said about how to treat ALL OTHER PEOPLE. Yet you call yourself "archangel"...

John H.

Listen nutcase, I described earlier the reason for "Archangel" I know I'm no where near perfect. I can only do the best humanly possible for myself. But you would test the patience of a Saint, so for now, I will step outta my trying to be a good person, much less a good Christian, and I will say this to you...............

Take care

 

[gococksDJS]

Listen nutcase, I described earlier the reason for "Archangel" I know I'm no where near perfect. I can only do the best humanly possible for myself. But you would test the patience of a Saint, so for now, I will step outta my trying to be a good person, much less a good Christian, and I will say this to you...............

Take care

Your a Christian? ZEALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Down with your close minded views, you don't TRULY live life.

 

[John H.]

Listen nutcase, I described earlier the reason for "Archangel" I know I'm no where near perfect. I can only do the best humanly possible for myself. But you would test the patience of a Saint, so for now, I will step outta my trying to be a good person, much less a good Christian, and I will say this to you...............

Take care

Archangel,

NOW I have more respect for you - you TOLD the TRUTH and ARE who you ARE instead of having others think you are someone else. I like knowing where someone is "coming from". Sometimes it IS necessary to "flush a person out" to find out WHO they REALLY ARE...

In my book THAT IS an IMPROVEMENT. I LIKE people who are HONEST AND SINCERE. And at least TRY to do their very best and for the benefit of all NOT just themselves.

John H.

 

[King Silverback]

Your a Christian? ZEALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Down with your close minded views, you don't TRULY live life.

Not sure if your joking or not, however I live my life to the fullest I can possibly acheive!!! All still by living by principle and common sense!!!

 

[King Silverback]

Archangel,

NOW I have more respect for you - you TOLD the TRUTH and ARE who you ARE instead of having others think you are someone else. I like knowing where someone is "coming from". Sometimes it IS necessary to "flush a person out" to find out WHO they REALLY ARE...

In my book THAT IS an IMPROVEMENT. I LIKE people who are HONEST AND SINCERE. And at least TRY to do their very best and for the benefit of all NOT just themselves.

John H.

Not sure what you mean by finding out who I really am. I AM a honest Christian with faults just like everbody else!!! Believe me, there was no flushing out as you put it!!! I simply let my anger get the best of me. Something that does not happen often.

 

[Eggs]

Not sure if your joking or not, however I live my life to the fullest I can possibly acheive!!! All still by living by principle and common sense!!!

He's joking. As you can see previously, he was supporting your side of the agreement.

 

[King Silverback]

Sorry, that darn John H. character had me in a state of Rage. Some people, ya know?!!

 

[SuperFlex]

Yes without question God is the realest of the real! I just wish He believed in me a little more...

 

[King Silverback]

Yes without question God is the realest of the real! I just wish He believed in me a little more...

He does Brother, that I promise you!!!

 

[gococksDJS]

Not sure if your joking or not, however I live my life to the fullest I can possibly acheive!!! All still by living by principle and common sense!!!

I was joking, I was mimicking John H.