Do you deadlift more than you squat?

[eskimo515]

I just started regular deadlifting after a long time and figured that I would be able to post a large number right out the gate, at least as much as I squat (365X6). But I couldnt get even close. Although my back feels great (I forgot about how much regular deads can kill you), I maxed out at like 245 for 6. I thought people usually deaded more than they squat. Thoughts?

 

[Hanz29]

It could be b/c dead lifts use so many muscles that some are weak enough to limit your weight....Grip usually hurts me on all my back exercises

 

[Saturday Fever]

If you squat and deadlift right, then the lifts will be very close. The major exception is that a deadlift has a greater ROM than a squat.

This is why people who don't squat right will pull more, while guys who squat right will squat more.

 

[LAM]

when I used to PL my 1RM DL was about 50 lbs more than my 1RM SQ

 

[gopro]

My deadlift outgrew my squats rather quickly when I used to practice both. However, I have not squatted in about 4 years and only do rack deads these days.

 

[Arnold]

My squatting days may be over too, except for light weight.

I am going to a chiropractor now to get my back straightened out (so no squatting for about 3-4 months), and I have had knee pain for the past several months, so, I think I may just rely on leg presses from now on.

 

[Saturday Fever]

Most people will use their posterior to deadlift, but they will squat with their quads. These people will always have a bigger dead than squat. When people learn to dead and squat correctly (read: hips back, hips forward, pulling back with the shoulders, sitting back not down, etc) their squats will catch up very quickly and eventually overcome their dead.

 

[gopro]

Most people will use their posterior to deadlift, but they will squat with their quads. These people will always have a bigger dead than squat. When people learn to dead and squat correctly (read: hips back, hips forward, pulling back with the shoulders, sitting back not down, etc) their squats will catch up very quickly and eventually overcome their dead.

There is also a big difference in squatting or deadlifting for pure power (weight lifted), and for bodybuilding (hypertrophy response). The form is entirely different. Depending on how I wanted to adjust my squat form...from bar placement, to stance, to degree of lean, etc, I could squat completely different weights...back when I did squats. Now its only leg presses, hacks, and step ups (and my legs grow more efficiently this way).

 

[Mudge]

I squat way under my dead.

 

[Saturday Fever]

It's all about form. However, Prince and gopro summed it up. If you're a bodybuilder, there's not much need to do them. From a strength perspective, it's all form. Your squat and dead need to be identical, save where the bar is located. In this respect, the lifts are very complementary to each other.

 

[gopro]

It's all about form. However, Prince and gopro summed it up. If you're a bodybuilder, there's not much need to do them. From a strength perspective, it's all form. Your squat and dead need to be identical, save where the bar is located. In this respect, the lifts are very complementary to each other.

SNF...most bodybuilders swear by squats as well, just for me they were actually counterproductive. Although I could squat nice poundages in perfect form, they NEVER felt right to me and always led to injury. I do not think I was "made" to squat, if you know what I mean.

 

[Arnold]

I think once you have the foundation: quads/glutes/hams, you can maintain it with other exercises, but I do believe in building a solid foundation with squats.

 

[Saturday Fever]

Squatting with your quads almost invariably leads to injury when you start to lift big. It's all too common for people to tear quads or report knee injuries. I think (and I say think because I've never looked into it) that most bodybuilders who squat big, squat with their posterior.

 

[gopro]

Squatting with your quads almost invariably leads to injury when you start to lift big. It's all too common for people to tear quads or report knee injuries. I think (and I say think because I've never looked into it) that most bodybuilders who squat big, squat with their posterior.

Actually, never had a knee problem, but when I would go to the 450-500 range, major lower back problems would appear. I tried adjusting my form in several ways, as well as tried different types of shoes/sneakers, and even belts, but to no avail. However, this was a blessing as it made me take up hacks, and these led to far more pure quad growth for me than squats ever did.

 

[Saturday Fever]

major lower back problems would appear.

Not surprising at all, considering the positioning of the spine and where pressure is applied when squatting with the quads. Cool this turned you on to something better. Lots of people are stubborn and try to fight through pain.

 

[Rock405]

i deadlifted again for the first time in about 2 years and got 405 twice. it was a great feeling, but i was hurting the next day. make sure you use a wieght belt and proper form, this excersice could do more bad than good if you don't do it right. i do squats and deadlifts once a week.

 

[Mudge]

Wear a belt if you dont want any core strength.

 

[Rock405]

i wear it because i don't want a bad back.

 

[Saturday Fever]

What does a belt have to do with your back if you're not properly stabilizing yourself anyways?

 

[Rock405]

for me it helps prevents hyperextension. it also helps increase (ITP intrathoraic pressure). i played college football and my strength coach made all of use wear wieght belts, and i've never stopped since.

 

[Saturday Fever]

Wear a belt if you dont want any core strength.

followed by...

for me it helps prevents hyperextension.

which is, of course, putting a bandaid on a broken arm. If you had a strong core, you wouldn't need the belt for this.

it also helps increase (ITP intrathoraic pressure).

Get strong abs (core), breathe air into your belly, hold it, and push against it with your abs, to achieve the same effect.

So what Mudge said stands.

 

[Rock405]

followed by...


which is, of course, putting a bandaid on a broken arm. If you had a strong core, you wouldn't need the belt for this.

there is a reason why all olympic deadlifters wear weight belts, and it has nothing to do with having or not having a strong "core" , it's about protecting yourself. I'm not going to risk over-extending my back while deadlifting, especially being an athlete, i can't risk that.

 

[Saturday Fever]

They wear belts because they do it wrong. Compare the record for someone who squats right to someone who squats wrong. It's only about a 500lb difference these days.

 

[Rock405]

They wear belts because they do it wrong. Compare the record for someone who squats right to someone who squats wrong. It's only about a 500lb difference these days.

you don't make it to the olympics doing anything wrong.

 

[Saturday Fever]

Aside from ending up crippled?

OK let's look at it this way. I squat 540. By Olympic standards I'm damn near the world record. By real standards, I'm 601 pounds shy of the record. And the guy who hit the 1141 squat record isn't going to be crippled later in life by his pathetic form.

 

[Rock405]

Aside from ending up crippled?

OK let's look at it this way. I squat 540. By Olympic standards I'm damn near the world record. By real standards, I'm 601 pounds shy of the record. And the guy who hit the 1141 squat record isn't going to be crippled later in life by his pathetic form.

i've never heard of retired olympic wieghtlifters ending up crippled. Mark Henry, one of the greatest of all time, is running around in the WWE right now far from crippled, and he was snatching your deadlift weight over his head with ease.

 

[Akateros]

So... Saturday Night, if you do squat with your quads, and pull more than you squat, anything you can recommend to address the issue? (Assuming the squatter in question is going into it with fucked knees in the first place.)

 

[Premo55]

^ I'd like to know too...I'd really like to get my squat up to par...
the way I try to squat is
- Hands as close to each other as possible on the bar
- Chest forward
- Sit back instead of down
- Abs tight and braced
- Head up
- I try to focus more on my hams and glutes, considering I only do full squats, ass to grass
- Tight back, although often I find that I break this form, very bad thing

Peace.

 

[M.J.H.]

This is why people who don't squat right will pull more, while guys who squat right will squat more.

Damn, I obviously do not squat correctly at all. I can't even start to imagine if my squat was more than my deadlift.

 

[Mudge]

there is a reason why all olympic deadlifters wear weight belts, and it has nothing to do with having or not having a strong "core" , it's about protecting yourself. I'm not going to risk over-extending my back while deadlifting, especially being an athlete, i can't risk that.

I can throw about 50 pounds on my squat or dead when using a belt, if I were going for a record I'd be belted, suited and chalked to the hilt.

I dont use powerlifter squat form.