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Originally posted by kuso
Sounda to me like a Christian perspective that doesn`t want to be labeled as such. If I hve a chance I`ll look the book up though :D

Anyone anti religion has the sources to back their claim though, as anyone religious has them to back thiers.


My point is that anyone who states "There is no god" is making just as much of a leap of faith as, say a Christian.
 
Originally posted by shortstuff
I would love to see the background on the author, obviously he is not going to write how he was raised and what his beliefs and thoughts and views are in the book outloud, but to look at his background could give someone an insite to how the book was written, and being a lawyer he is ab;e to argue his point a bit more effectively then the lay person

Darwin on Trial
Phillip E. Johnson
Graduate of Harvard and U. of Chicago.

Here it is on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/103-2695513-2199041?v=glance&s=books
 
Originally posted by kuso
Need we go firther than Amazon then? ;)

" While the book presents a skewed view of the scientific process, occasionally losing all pretense of objectivity, it may be of value to lay readers seeking a creationist perspective on evolution."

I'd like to see this fossil record you are talking about!
;)

If you'll read that book, I'll buy it for you and then you can comment on it first-hand.
 
Originally posted by Pepper
I'd like to see this fossil record you are talking about!
;)

In general I was speaking of course....though from my limited knowldge the Aboriginal for instance ( or older fossiles ), doesn`t fit anywhere into the bible.....and I think it is the bible that most have problesm with .

Originally posted by Pepper
If you'll read that book, I'll buy it for you and then you can comment on it first-hand.

How could I refuse that :D LOL

I did take a look at some of the other reviews though ( not only the offical Amazon review I quoted ) and it seems more of the 5 star raters rate many similar books the same way....if you get my drift.


Anyhoo.....I`m not arguing whether or not god exsists......
 
Darwin's Black Box is good too, but I found it much more difficult to read b/c it is more technical. Actually, some of you guys may like it better.

It talked about the building of amino acid chains, etc. I found my self reading chapters over and over.
 
Aristotle once said when questioned about the belief of God, "The only thing I know for sure, is that I know absolutely nothing is for sure."

If fit for me.

I cannot prove one way or the other to know anything "for certain" I guess thats why they call it faith.

I will have to wait and see.
 
I LOVE YOUR VIEW ON THAT TRINSDAD
 
Thank you, lets hope that if there is a God..that he was understanding enough to know that we are fallible humans.
 
I'm a baptist.
To answer the original question, I'm religious because both I fear god and I have faith their is a god. Before I got saved I felt the same as many people on this board. Actually I thought the bible was just some book some organized goverment wrote hundreds of years ago to help keep a peacful civilization. But I've had a few personal things happen to me that made me have a change in heart. I started attending church and just felt something in my heart. So, I decided to get saved and baptized. I can tell you (only my opinion, not forcing anything on anyone) that once I got saved, I could feel god working for me and through me. It was and still is amazing, I can pray for certain things and within a short period the prayer is answered. The prayer thing has happened to many times to just be coincidental. I absolutely believe that Jesus Christ was god's son, who died for our sins, and if we ask for his forgiveness then we will be saved. Again, this is my opinion and belief. Not trying to push anything, just answering the question.
 
well i believe that when people are troubled they look for answers in something or someone greater than them.....whether it be a role model or god (who ever that may be).....as a general rule look to those you admire and learn from them.
 
good point J- oh i am being tortured at work WE HAVE DONUTSQ!!!!!!
 
Religion was created by man, for man. Unfortunately, in some cases it has become a business rather than a shared belief system, which is what has turned people like Prince off. And I agree, or understand, to some extent. Of course, this is not to say that all churches are bad, or that all religion is a waste of time.
The key word here is faith. Now, my Grandmother's definition of faith might vary drastically from mine, but all in all, it is faith that keeps us all afloat. Whether you believe that Jesus was the son of God or just a man, or that Allah is the only God, whatever.....It is our belief and trust in that innate "good" that is housed deep within us that directs and guides us. Not beautiful architectural structures with steeples that stretch into the clouds, not great speakers who inspire us via their extensive theatrical training, not beautiful harp music or a gelded offerring plate overflowing with bills. It's about pressing on when you've asked a question and received no answer, and believing that your kids will do a better job with this world than you have, and maintaining confidence that when it is all over, and you take your last breath, that the light at the end of the tunnel will be more than your brain powering down.
While the movie Stigmata was perhaps not the finest film to ever hit the screen, it did introduce me to the writings of St. Thomas, which were (indirectly) quoted:

"The kingdom of God is within you and all around you. It is not within buildings of wood or stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Look beneath a stone and I am there."

I was Baptist, now I'm Methodist. It doesn't really matter. It is simply about doing the right thing.
:D
 
Originally posted by shortstuff
good point J- oh i am being tortured at work WE HAVE DONUTSQ!!!!!!

cant breath......cant see.....donuts........need donuts. :cry:
 
Originally posted by DaMayor
Religion was created by man, for man. Unfortunately, in some cases it has become a business rather than a shared belief system, which is what has turned people like Prince off. And I agree, or understand, to some extent. Of course, this is not to say that all churches are bad, or that all religion is a waste of time.
The key word here is faith. Now, my Grandmother's definition of faith might vary drastically from mine, but all in all, it is faith that keeps us all afloat. Whether you believe that Jesus was the son of God or just a man, or that Allah is the only God, whatever.....It is our belief and trust in that innate "good" that is housed deep within us that directs and guides us. Not beautiful architectural structures with steeples that stretch into the clouds, not great speakers who inspire us via their extensive theatrical training, not beautiful harp music or a gelded offerring plate overflowing with bills. It's about pressing on when you've asked a question and received no answer, and believing that your kids will do a better job with this world than you have, and maintaining confidence that when it is all over, and you take your last breath, that the light at the end of the tunnel will be more than your brain powering down.
While the movie Stigmata was perhaps not the finest film to ever hit the screen, it did introduce me to the writings of St. Thomas, which were (indirectly) quoted:

"The kingdom of God is within you and all around you. It is not within buildings of wood or stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Look beneath a stone and I am there."

I was Baptist, now I'm Methodist. It doesn't really matter. It is simply about doing the right thing.
:D

Nice Post :thumb:
 
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cause he used to be in XXX movies.....opps that was just one that we made ;)........hot doesnt even describe that creature from heaven....intensifys when you are a horn doggy too :lol:

pst ss you thirsty on this stuff? cause i have downed 3 liters already :confused:
 
OMG between that and all the EC and yohimbe and everything I seriously go through about 2 gllons if not more a day (bathroom break every 15-30 minutes LOL)

Oh I need a poster of him over my bed and him in my bed!!!!
 
there is a thread on here just about vin.
i will bump it for you.
i am getting the one of him in the shower.................ahhhhh moment. must leave to get batteries now
 
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Ok tell me where I can get it and I am so going to love that thread!
 
hey to some people food is their religion, look at the state of the uS among other countries and their reliance on food to turn to.
 
Originally posted by DaMayor
Religion was created by man, for man.

Because of cross-references between the many, many religions, this can only be seen as correct. Personally, i also agree.

How do people from certain religions feel about the way their gods and prophets are presented in other religions? For instance, in christianity and all those related, Jesus Christ is the Son of God - quite a point of authority as far as the whole bible thing goes, however in muslim he is merely (a term i use here comparitively) a prophet.

There are clearly flaws in logic and continuity for all religions. In fact, the faiths are based on writings of many hundreds of years ago. There is no solid proof that any of it actually took place, so when people say they believe because of faith, is it not more because they fear what will happen to them if they don't believe and it turns out to be true? They fear what will happen? In this case, is fear and faith not interchangable?

Do people live in fear of their God(s) and not in love of them? Why choose to follow a way of life that induces fear?

Have you ever considered that religion started out basically like the current police forces of the world as a means to keep law and order, but using that which cannot be explained as a means to induce fear into the people so they follow the rules?

Maybe when certain followers disliked various rules, they broke from convention to start their own religions but included the gods, stories (noah's ark is not confined to christianity and cathlocism alone) and apparations of their previous religions?

Or maybe they migrated and took their religions with them but twisted them for their own benefit? Could this explain why there is a different populus regarding the various religions? (i.e. more muslims in the middle east and asia etc...)

So the ten commandments are pretty much the "stanard" of most religions - ten laws to abide by or else you will have to face the fury of your God. So you'd expect that once you broke one, you're done for, right? Oh course not! You can reconcile your sins and be cleared.

Hmmmm...This is suspect to me. Maybe the religions worked at first, but once someone believed their ticket to heaven was gone they just got worse? Maybe reconciliation is just a means of restoring order once it has gone? There is always a possibilty and all that jazz.

It worked for a long time, but since science is more prominent these days, more and more people are looking less to the "heavens" since more and more can be explained scientifically. For example, the dinosaurs. No mention of them in the bibles or kurrans, eh? No two triceritops boarded the Ark in Noah's tale eh? Could that be because back then they didn't have the scientific techniques to discover the dinosaurs? Would God not have let on about them? Were they his first "model" of life before thinking "fuck it" and starting again?

I was christened as a child and up till the age of about 15-16 as a regular church goer. Not because i believed (i rarely paid attention anyway) but because i knew it made my dad feel better. I did it out of fear of hurting his feelings, not faith in God. Since science has become more of an interest to me, i don't believe at all. I DO think there must be some sort of super-being somewhere, but that he has nothing to do with the abundance of religions on earth. I DO think that a man called Jesus once lived and was the focal point of the bibles. Whether his "miracles" were achieved because he turned out to be the first hashman or whatever, i dunno.

The only reason i follow the ten commandments (because i do for the most part) is down to consideration of others and fear of the (heavy) hand of the law. I fear losing freedom in this life, nevermind damnation in another. I like how religion started the idea because he has worked to keep law and order, however, it has also caused problems when people are almost "too extreme" in their beliefs that they are willing to harm themselves or others in the name of it. Case point: 9-11, done in the "name of Allah." Would Allah really approve of such an act?

I just don't understand why people follow lifestyle's based on fear of something they have no solid evidence exists. Is that "faith" or just stupidity?

Answer some of my Q's, and don't ruin this thread.
 
Kuso, you are such a drunk moron. :p

Just because something conflicts with the common secular view, does not mean it was written by a Christian not claiming to be. Christains are not the only people that do not believe in the evolution of man...another common mistake.

NOW GO SOBER UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Oh and hop on AIM sometime you slacker. lol
 
Have any of you read the series of books about the end of the world and prphets and, dang it I can not remember the name of them, any one know??
 
Originally posted by trinsdad
Thank you, lets hope that if there is a God..that he was understanding enough to know that we are fallible humans.

I think that is all of our hope and many of our beliefs trinsdad.

One thing I noticed about your response, and maybe I am taking what you said too literally or analyzing what you are saying too closely. But you mentioned that you hope the "God"(Big G) knows that we are fallible humans. Well since you are using a Big G I am ASSuming you speak of the God of the Bible. It does not take a Christian to know, of course God knows we are fallible, that was the reason for Jesus in the first place.

As for TCD's reference to Jusus when it comes to other religions, that brings up a VERY good point. And one that I will never understand. How can Islam or any other not Christian faith(no slam on Islam or any other faiths so save your flames) believe that Jesus was a prophet and a great man? Because if he was not the Son of God as he said he was, then that would make him the biggest liar that ever lived. So therefor, how could he be a prophet...much less a good man? How could anyone say a liar was a good man or religious leader? Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying Jesus was a liar, but rather how can people believe he was a good man, if they do not believe He was who He said he was? That would make him a liar correct?

As for Christians living in fear, you need to read the Bible and understand the reference and context that fear is used. I know you have access to it yourself, so I will not insult your intellegence by typing it for you. Everyone wants answers but do not want look for them.

Religion and faith are still being too intertwined though. Some great aswers though. some sound like they were taken straight out of some college sophamore philosophy classroom. Not all but some.

As far as people looking more to science and less the "heaven" as you put it. You are right, because you can just as easily twist science to create the effect you want. It is tangible, and that is ideal for those that lack any kind of faith in anything. Don't forget Christianity was the basis for the early scientist whos laws and finding are still the foundation of science today.

Great discussion though. Hopefully it stays somewhat civil. The only trouble with threads like this, it always invokes people to speak their passion and then they are lynched for being rigid and unbending in their views. But then again is that not what principles are all about? lol
 
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