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EXACTLY ! Post'n on public forums would Damn sure say that to me as well Homey. THOSE are the ones I'd worry bout.
But I humbly think that we underestimate technology and it's availability to the world. I will use this as an example and it's illegal as well to keep in context.
Years ago people thought you could not produce ganja of the same quality and strength as Amsterdam. It was impossible to meet CC ( Cannabis Cup) standards. The leaf mold, poor clone'n tech. root rott, spider mites,PH issues,etc. Just could not be done outside their growrooms. BULLSHIT !!!! Guys from the US win at the Cup now. Mind you,it's still illegal here. Now there's guys with the highest tech, water'n/feed'n systems, better exhaust plans then the original Karl K systems. These people do this in their shops or at home. The purpose of both the ganja dealer and the steroid is to make money. Just like you hear bout guys with 20,000 invested in produce'n high grade ganja because the better their product is the more money they'll make is the exact same idea of a steroid dealer or any good business person. It would only make sense to invest in the thin keep'n you paid. You can find all the machines (FDA approved) used to have a high quality lab produce'n top shelf product for under 10,000. Sell 100 vails (which is not that hard, just look around lol) and it's paid for. I can't see everybody with UGL's with banners on a million forums in a kicthen like I said with a chaulk gun ,some filters and a bunch of vials, I"M SURE THERE ARE SOME !! lol I'm sure it's some UGL's sell'n 100 huh ? lol You can find the machines on ebay Homey. It's not the dark ages anymore and the tools to use are there, I personally know a few guys roll'n that way and I'M SURE there's a lot more.As I said before you only see the UGL guys out to hit a lick. I don't think all public labs would do that for the reasons ROID expressed. But for a fact MOST private UGL's are the shit. I'd trust them before I'd trust somethin from over the internet with a brand name "label" on it.Cause like Heavy said at the very beginn'n, do you know what you're inject'n. Labels don't mean shit. If you remember back 8 to 10 years back ,that was the scam even down to the hologram. At the end of the day it comes down to this, Who do you trust. REAL TALK. All else will still come back to that.The thing bout this that makes me have to laugh is, some people act like the only thing in the universe that people have'nt figured out how to do..........is produce good steroids. That's not very realistic think'n for me.But what the hell would I know lol. You guys enjoy the day.
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Good thread indeedy
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Agreed, I made this point earlier in the thread. Some UGL's use GMP standards but many do not. Usually the extremelty cheap products are an indicator that sub standard equipment/practices are being used.
All points of view are welcomed here. Thank you for your thoughts.
We have independent lab results showing contamination of various underground products. The water based products like Winstrol seem to have a higher contamination rate likely due to the water based suspension. Bacteria has an easier time living/growing in water as opposed to oil but even the oil based products sometimes test contaminated.
Llewellyn has published these lab reports in his Underground Anabolics book.
I personally have had several abscesses that I was able to treat without surgery, painful swollen lumps for weeks that caused fevers in excess of 100 degrees F. I use sterile injection techniques but still have had problems. After several injects from the same product the same problem presented. It was definitely poor quality product that caused the reactions. Alinshop was the first place I had these problems about 4 years ago. Since then I have had this happen with another product.
I am on doc prescribed TRT so I have taken a lot of injections over the years. Never once have I had contaminated products from large US pharmacy meds. However I did have problems with a small compounding pharmacy's meds once. This product was purchased legally with my prescription so even compounding pharmacies that have state of the art equipment can make errors in the assembly of Testosterone.
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I can't understand the language but the English tab had the following info;
CrimeMedicine.com - a campaign from the Swedish Medical Products Agency.
CrimeMedicine.com is an information campaign from the Swedish Medical Products Agency. Its purpose is to inform people about the risks involved in bying medicines from unknown Internet sites. 50% of medicines sold on disreputable sites are counterfeit and may contain just about anything, which means that they are potentially lethal. Internet trading in counterfeit medicines is increasing in leaps and bounds. The Medical Products Agency has therefore been tasked by the Swedish Government with launching a public information campaign.
About the Medical Products Agency
The Medical Products Agency is responsible for the approval and control of medicines, among other things. Our task is to ensure that the individual patient and the healthcare system have access to safe and effective products.
No but i'm thinking about it, I mean you know the exact dosage of test your getting and Hell it got Dorian pretty damn big. I just feel are the Asia Pharma and BD prices justified though? they just seem ridonculously expensive!
We can't always blame them. We as human beings should know when some thing is/isn't good for us.
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yeah, If i do hit up the water based routes it might be an idea, But i think i'll start a thread on test susp-google has been useles for opinions, gonna go straight to the big boys
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Well, everybody knows that steroid based injections are faked. I will pass by the meter why it happens and will discuss how it happens and what could we doto avoid fakes. First of I would like to show you how the oil-based parentals are normally made. After that I???ll try to discover basics of quality testing and some advanced things in brief.
So, lets discus the simplified technical process.
For the manufacturing required ???vehicle??? solution which is contains pharmaceutical parental-grade oil with excipients which are suppress bacteria
growth and enhances solubility of the API i.e. steroid ester as well as could suppress oxidation of the API. Normally, excipients such as benzyl alcohol are
reducing the pain in site of injection, but this is not in the case of fake. I would say faker???s formulation induces pain in the site of injection (I???ll explain later why). The theory of the preparation of the oil-based formulation is simple. Oil-based vehicle controls water content i.e. blood and lymph access at the injection site to make a long term effect. Excipients like benzyl alcohol (BA) are typically added in amount of 9 mg/ml of formulation, this level is considered to be optimal for the local anesthesia. Fakers some times use BA as a solubility enhancer in order to have better solubility of low-quality API.
The concentration of BA could reach 5% in such formulations. In such dozes BA acts as a cytotoxic agent which is induces local necrosis in the injection site. This is not very dangerous but extremely unpleasant. Being injected not deep (for example 10-15 mm in depth) such formulation causes necrosis between muscle and skin, this can cause serious discomfort and could be dangerous because injection site is continue bleeding thus could be infected. What else? I think that fake formulations do never content anti-oxidation agents. Factory made formulations could contain antioxidant or argon (noble gas) above the liquid. Usually, fakers unable to fill vials with argon during corking.
Now lets discuss oil and API. These two components are added in a significant amount to the formulation, so the quality of them is not unimportant. Oils are
widely used in different applications so there are many quality grades of them. Usually oils for pharmaceutical applications are good enough and not hazardous,but being improperly stored or operated oil could be polluted with moisture, bacteria and sediments. Usage of non-pharmaceutical oils, thanks god, is rear.API is produced in different grades as well. There are several grades of quality human-grade for parenterals or for tabs, GMP-grade, animal grade. Some good guys are telling ???we use human grade API for the dog formulations??? some bad ones telling ???we use animal grade stuff on humans???. All of them are not very hazardous if operated and stored properly. Typically, the main problem of API is the content of free hormone, i.e. testosterone enanthate contains more or less free testosterone and some amount of enantic acid. These components are not hazardous, but significant content of the testosterone causes low temperature sedimentation of the drug or turbidity. Fakers are trying to suppress this effect by overdosing BA. Widespread problem is the presence of moisture in formulation. This is a key feature that allows verify the quality of a drug. Where is the moisture coming from? First of, low quality oil, API stored in refrigerator in an opened can (fakers are usually makes small amounts, so they can not use factory pack at once), and the third path-way through bad stoppers during the sterilization in water-steam autoclave. In general, moister is the enemy number one of oil-based formulations, especially if it is a handicraft drug. Moisture causes hydrolysis of ester, loss of solubility, turbidity and sedimentation of the API.
How we do detect moisture?
We can look if the oil in vial is wetting the glass. Low quality mixtures have a poor wetting. We can check if the sediments are present as well. It is easy
take a laser pointer, shake vial vigorously and watch for the particles in passing light, use a dark room to find illuminated particles. Sediments are coming to handicraft with oil, API powder, and from ambient air (it could be just a usual dust). Factory made drugs are produced in dust-free rooms, API and oil are stored in sealed cans. Before the packing oil solution is normally filtered through 0,22 mkm filter. It is obviously that factory-made drugs have no sediments.
I discovered basics methods of a fake detection and some ideas where problems are come from and how to find them fast, - the pain in the injection site, moisture detection and sediments detection. These methods are not very reliable. Sure, if you will find the turbidity or sediments it is 99% fake. But sometimes you will be unable to check the drug with these methods. Now I???ll describe I brief advanced techniques and methods of chemical analysis. In general there are two major problems here the dosage and the API kind. It is well-known problem when API is under dosed and if it is substituted with another one, or the both cases in the same time for example vial contains 25 mg/ml of trenbolone acetate and 25 mg/ml of testosterone propionate instead of 50 mg/ml of trenbolone acetate. Here is two kinds of techniques are employed quantitative analysis to determine API content and qualitative analysis to determine the nature of API added.
Quantification.
This type of analysis could be made according USP recommendations. There are different methods may be employed high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) and spectrophotometry in ultra-violet range(UV). Both of methods have disadvantages, so the analysis should be made by qualified specialists.
HPLC.
This method is based on the separation of the drug formulation to individual compounds and quantitative analysis of the target compounds buy UV-detector.
For the separation the solution of drug in isopropyl alcohol is injected to a chromatographic column. Different compounds have a different linear migration speed in this column, so they are separated according the specific retention which is considered to be individual to each compound. Normally, long chain esters are not perfectly separated by conventional commercial HPLC instruments. Adaptation of the instrument for the silica gel column is expensive and usually analysis are made in low-cost way using conventional reversed-phase columns C8 or C18. Thus compounds are moving with different speed we can identify a target ester using migration time. Quantification in HPLC is provided by a UV spectrophotometric detector. USP recommends wavelength 240 nm for the quantification of testosterone esters and nandrolone esters, many others could be detected at same wavelength as well. This wavelength corresponds to the maximum of UV light absorption by steroids. Short wavelengths are not recommended due to non-specific absorption.
It is believed that HPLC coupled to diode array detector could provide the identification of steroid base. I think that it is not reliable technique, most of steroid bases have similar structure, so they will have a similar UV spectra. Sure, some steroids as trenbolone have unique fingerprint in UV but many others are too similar.
To find a concentration of ester we can add an additional known amount of pure ester. To have a good quantification more then 2 additives are necessary, i.e. if we have a concentration about 50 mg/ml of testosterone propionate we need to analyse this sample we should make a picture of this sample and two pictures with standard additives to the sample solution of testosterone propionate. For the testosterone mixtures such sustanon concentrations of esters could be recalculated to molar concentrations in order to make quantification using single ester as a standard.
UV-Vis spectrophotometry.
This method is well known low-cost way to determine the content of many different compounds by the specific light absorption. This method employees a simple principle the light absorption is proportional to the compound concentration. For all chemical compounds there is a wavelength where compound absorbs the light. For most steroids the best wavelength is 240 nm. But it is virtually impossible to measure concentration of testosterone ester in this region in a drug. This problem caused by benzyl alcohol which is have a strong absorption at 240 nm. Benzylbenzoate has a similar high absorption (by weight).It is possible to reduce concentration of BA by chemical manipulation, but if formulation contains BB, UV-Vis gives up.
Thin-layer Chromatography
All hormones have a different solubility in a given solvent (mostly methanol). These solubility differences are used to separate and identify the steroids on a thin layer plate. This plate consists of a thin layer of porous material that is coated on one side of a plastic, glass, or aluminium plate. The (diluted) solutions of steroids are applied on different spots of the plate, wich is then placed in a developing chamber containing a solvent bath.
As the solvent creeps up the plate by capillary action, it will wash the steroids of their original spots and carry them upwards towards the other end of the plate, some will have to migrate farther from the origin than the others. Thus this chromatographical pattern may be used to identify characteristics of the steroids. The plate can be studied in an ultraviolet viewing box. On the plate also a reference substance is placed, wich can be bought at several different pharmaceutical companies like by example Sigma or Fluka.
The thin-layer chromatography has a few minor disadvantages . Some compounds like by example Testosterone and Boldenone can???t be separated.
Where you to must look is or it well or not a spot sit in a straight line above the numbers at the bottom the plate. (R = reference pure testosterone, 1 = real Aburaihan, 2 = first tested nepvial, 3 = second
tested nepvial). What clear to see is, is that there in the nepvials no detecteerbare dust stretch. It stretch namely no dark spot on the plate what uses is for the separation. Also there a difference in the height of the spot for the pure testosteron and the enanthaat is. This is precise as it hears! The exact theories explain goes here too far, but the spot for the enanthate sit where he must sit.
Conclusion: in the nepvials, no testosterone enanthate or a comparable steroids it. In the real vial, testosterone enanthate sit.
Explanation of the picture Dilution 100* in methanol. Measured at 254nm on Merck TLC plates with fluorescentic layer. From the real Aburaihan® I yielded 1 micro litre on the plate from the fake 2 micro litres is yielded. This has been done to see the benzyl alcohol. This is unfortunately not visible on the picture t, but with the naked eye one sees is a very vague spot, where the benzyl alcohol sat on the TLC. It is possible to make the benzyl alcohol visibly, by adding more of the solution onto the plate.
API identification.
There are few methods which are allows to get a fingerprint of the molecular structure. These methods are widely used in chemical analysis, molecular structure research and have a forensic grade reliability due to detailed fingerprint of all molecular parts or atoms. These methods are:
1. Infrared spectra, or Fourier transform infrared, FTIR. The most suitable for oil formulations technique is FTIR identification, this method allows direct measurement of spectra in the oil solution. FTIR spectrometer coupled to multiple internal reflectance (MIR) accessory allow both fingerprint and quantification of the drug. There is the broad number of manufactures of such equipment: PerkinElmer, Bruker, Thermo-Nicolet, Varian, Shimadzu and many others.
2. Electron-impact mass-spectra EI/MS, usually coupled to gas chromatography. This method is widely used and named GC-MS. These equipment is widely used, but not the best for this kind of analysis, manufactures are: Thermo, Agilent, PerkinElmer, Shimadzu, Varian and many others.
3. Nuclear magnetic resonance spectra, NMR, of two kinds proton magnetic resonance (PMR) and C13 isotope magnetic resonance spectra, C13-NMR. Thisequipment is expensive and made by Bruker, Hitachi, Varian, Shimadzu.
4. Liquid chromatography coupled to mass-spectrometer. Well, usual LC-MS just do not gives structural information. This technique shows only molecular weight
1. Instruments used for the molecular fingerprinting are terribly expensive because of presence of 2 or 3 or even 4 mass analyzers in the instrument. LC units made by: Waters, Agilent, PerkinElmer, Varian, Shimadzu. MS units made by: Bruker, ABI-Sciex.
5. Melting
Wet chemistry.
Instrument based analysis have there limitations. Concerning oil solutions of long-chain esters these disadvantages are critical. Only FTIR/MIR allow identify ester directly with minimum sample manipulation. Other techniques require sample preparation or even preparation of pure steroid base. At this point professional analysts starts there game. Typical pathways has there target in obtaining of pure steroid ester or steroid base or reducing of interfering effects of benzyl compounds. There are several basic techniques the freezing of oil at low temperature with different additives to cause the precipitation of ester, vacuum evaporation of benzyl alcohol, hydrolysis of a sample in order to have a steroid base. These techniques could be employed one-by-one to have a desired effect.
So, lets discus the simplified technical process.
For the manufacturing required ???vehicle??? solution which is contains pharmaceutical parental-grade oil with excipients which are suppress bacteria
growth and enhances solubility of the API i.e. steroid ester as well as could suppress oxidation of the API. Normally, excipients such as benzyl alcohol are
reducing the pain in site of injection, but this is not in the case of fake. I would say faker???s formulation induces pain in the site of injection (I???ll explain later why). The theory of the preparation of the oil-based formulation is simple. Oil-based vehicle controls water content i.e. blood and lymph access at the injection site to make a long term effect. Excipients like benzyl alcohol (BA) are typically added in amount of 9 mg/ml of formulation, this level is considered to be optimal for the local anesthesia. Fakers some times use BA as a solubility enhancer in order to have better solubility of low-quality API.
The concentration of BA could reach 5% in such formulations. In such dozes BA acts as a cytotoxic agent which is induces local necrosis in the injection site. This is not very dangerous but extremely unpleasant. Being injected not deep (for example 10-15 mm in depth) such formulation causes necrosis between muscle and skin, this can cause serious discomfort and could be dangerous because injection site is continue bleeding thus could be infected. What else? I think that fake formulations do never content anti-oxidation agents. Factory made formulations could contain antioxidant or argon (noble gas) above the liquid. Usually, fakers unable to fill vials with argon during corking.
Now lets discuss oil and API. These two components are added in a significant amount to the formulation, so the quality of them is not unimportant. Oils are
widely used in different applications so there are many quality grades of them. Usually oils for pharmaceutical applications are good enough and not hazardous,but being improperly stored or operated oil could be polluted with moisture, bacteria and sediments. Usage of non-pharmaceutical oils, thanks god, is rear.API is produced in different grades as well. There are several grades of quality human-grade for parenterals or for tabs, GMP-grade, animal grade. Some good guys are telling ???we use human grade API for the dog formulations??? some bad ones telling ???we use animal grade stuff on humans???. All of them are not very hazardous if operated and stored properly. Typically, the main problem of API is the content of free hormone, i.e. testosterone enanthate contains more or less free testosterone and some amount of enantic acid. These components are not hazardous, but significant content of the testosterone causes low temperature sedimentation of the drug or turbidity. Fakers are trying to suppress this effect by overdosing BA. Widespread problem is the presence of moisture in formulation. This is a key feature that allows verify the quality of a drug. Where is the moisture coming from? First of, low quality oil, API stored in refrigerator in an opened can (fakers are usually makes small amounts, so they can not use factory pack at once), and the third path-way through bad stoppers during the sterilization in water-steam autoclave. In general, moister is the enemy number one of oil-based formulations, especially if it is a handicraft drug. Moisture causes hydrolysis of ester, loss of solubility, turbidity and sedimentation of the API.
How we do detect moisture?
We can look if the oil in vial is wetting the glass. Low quality mixtures have a poor wetting. We can check if the sediments are present as well. It is easy
take a laser pointer, shake vial vigorously and watch for the particles in passing light, use a dark room to find illuminated particles. Sediments are coming to handicraft with oil, API powder, and from ambient air (it could be just a usual dust). Factory made drugs are produced in dust-free rooms, API and oil are stored in sealed cans. Before the packing oil solution is normally filtered through 0,22 mkm filter. It is obviously that factory-made drugs have no sediments.
I discovered basics methods of a fake detection and some ideas where problems are come from and how to find them fast, - the pain in the injection site, moisture detection and sediments detection. These methods are not very reliable. Sure, if you will find the turbidity or sediments it is 99% fake. But sometimes you will be unable to check the drug with these methods. Now I???ll describe I brief advanced techniques and methods of chemical analysis. In general there are two major problems here the dosage and the API kind. It is well-known problem when API is under dosed and if it is substituted with another one, or the both cases in the same time for example vial contains 25 mg/ml of trenbolone acetate and 25 mg/ml of testosterone propionate instead of 50 mg/ml of trenbolone acetate. Here is two kinds of techniques are employed quantitative analysis to determine API content and qualitative analysis to determine the nature of API added.
Quantification.
This type of analysis could be made according USP recommendations. There are different methods may be employed high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) and spectrophotometry in ultra-violet range(UV). Both of methods have disadvantages, so the analysis should be made by qualified specialists.
HPLC.
This method is based on the separation of the drug formulation to individual compounds and quantitative analysis of the target compounds buy UV-detector.
For the separation the solution of drug in isopropyl alcohol is injected to a chromatographic column. Different compounds have a different linear migration speed in this column, so they are separated according the specific retention which is considered to be individual to each compound. Normally, long chain esters are not perfectly separated by conventional commercial HPLC instruments. Adaptation of the instrument for the silica gel column is expensive and usually analysis are made in low-cost way using conventional reversed-phase columns C8 or C18. Thus compounds are moving with different speed we can identify a target ester using migration time. Quantification in HPLC is provided by a UV spectrophotometric detector. USP recommends wavelength 240 nm for the quantification of testosterone esters and nandrolone esters, many others could be detected at same wavelength as well. This wavelength corresponds to the maximum of UV light absorption by steroids. Short wavelengths are not recommended due to non-specific absorption.
It is believed that HPLC coupled to diode array detector could provide the identification of steroid base. I think that it is not reliable technique, most of steroid bases have similar structure, so they will have a similar UV spectra. Sure, some steroids as trenbolone have unique fingerprint in UV but many others are too similar.
To find a concentration of ester we can add an additional known amount of pure ester. To have a good quantification more then 2 additives are necessary, i.e. if we have a concentration about 50 mg/ml of testosterone propionate we need to analyse this sample we should make a picture of this sample and two pictures with standard additives to the sample solution of testosterone propionate. For the testosterone mixtures such sustanon concentrations of esters could be recalculated to molar concentrations in order to make quantification using single ester as a standard.
UV-Vis spectrophotometry.
This method is well known low-cost way to determine the content of many different compounds by the specific light absorption. This method employees a simple principle the light absorption is proportional to the compound concentration. For all chemical compounds there is a wavelength where compound absorbs the light. For most steroids the best wavelength is 240 nm. But it is virtually impossible to measure concentration of testosterone ester in this region in a drug. This problem caused by benzyl alcohol which is have a strong absorption at 240 nm. Benzylbenzoate has a similar high absorption (by weight).It is possible to reduce concentration of BA by chemical manipulation, but if formulation contains BB, UV-Vis gives up.
Thin-layer Chromatography
All hormones have a different solubility in a given solvent (mostly methanol). These solubility differences are used to separate and identify the steroids on a thin layer plate. This plate consists of a thin layer of porous material that is coated on one side of a plastic, glass, or aluminium plate. The (diluted) solutions of steroids are applied on different spots of the plate, wich is then placed in a developing chamber containing a solvent bath.
As the solvent creeps up the plate by capillary action, it will wash the steroids of their original spots and carry them upwards towards the other end of the plate, some will have to migrate farther from the origin than the others. Thus this chromatographical pattern may be used to identify characteristics of the steroids. The plate can be studied in an ultraviolet viewing box. On the plate also a reference substance is placed, wich can be bought at several different pharmaceutical companies like by example Sigma or Fluka.
The thin-layer chromatography has a few minor disadvantages . Some compounds like by example Testosterone and Boldenone can???t be separated.
Where you to must look is or it well or not a spot sit in a straight line above the numbers at the bottom the plate. (R = reference pure testosterone, 1 = real Aburaihan, 2 = first tested nepvial, 3 = second
tested nepvial). What clear to see is, is that there in the nepvials no detecteerbare dust stretch. It stretch namely no dark spot on the plate what uses is for the separation. Also there a difference in the height of the spot for the pure testosteron and the enanthaat is. This is precise as it hears! The exact theories explain goes here too far, but the spot for the enanthate sit where he must sit.
Conclusion: in the nepvials, no testosterone enanthate or a comparable steroids it. In the real vial, testosterone enanthate sit.
Explanation of the picture Dilution 100* in methanol. Measured at 254nm on Merck TLC plates with fluorescentic layer. From the real Aburaihan® I yielded 1 micro litre on the plate from the fake 2 micro litres is yielded. This has been done to see the benzyl alcohol. This is unfortunately not visible on the picture t, but with the naked eye one sees is a very vague spot, where the benzyl alcohol sat on the TLC. It is possible to make the benzyl alcohol visibly, by adding more of the solution onto the plate.
API identification.
There are few methods which are allows to get a fingerprint of the molecular structure. These methods are widely used in chemical analysis, molecular structure research and have a forensic grade reliability due to detailed fingerprint of all molecular parts or atoms. These methods are:
1. Infrared spectra, or Fourier transform infrared, FTIR. The most suitable for oil formulations technique is FTIR identification, this method allows direct measurement of spectra in the oil solution. FTIR spectrometer coupled to multiple internal reflectance (MIR) accessory allow both fingerprint and quantification of the drug. There is the broad number of manufactures of such equipment: PerkinElmer, Bruker, Thermo-Nicolet, Varian, Shimadzu and many others.
2. Electron-impact mass-spectra EI/MS, usually coupled to gas chromatography. This method is widely used and named GC-MS. These equipment is widely used, but not the best for this kind of analysis, manufactures are: Thermo, Agilent, PerkinElmer, Shimadzu, Varian and many others.
3. Nuclear magnetic resonance spectra, NMR, of two kinds proton magnetic resonance (PMR) and C13 isotope magnetic resonance spectra, C13-NMR. Thisequipment is expensive and made by Bruker, Hitachi, Varian, Shimadzu.
4. Liquid chromatography coupled to mass-spectrometer. Well, usual LC-MS just do not gives structural information. This technique shows only molecular weight
1. Instruments used for the molecular fingerprinting are terribly expensive because of presence of 2 or 3 or even 4 mass analyzers in the instrument. LC units made by: Waters, Agilent, PerkinElmer, Varian, Shimadzu. MS units made by: Bruker, ABI-Sciex.
5. Melting
Wet chemistry.
Instrument based analysis have there limitations. Concerning oil solutions of long-chain esters these disadvantages are critical. Only FTIR/MIR allow identify ester directly with minimum sample manipulation. Other techniques require sample preparation or even preparation of pure steroid base. At this point professional analysts starts there game. Typical pathways has there target in obtaining of pure steroid ester or steroid base or reducing of interfering effects of benzyl compounds. There are several basic techniques the freezing of oil at low temperature with different additives to cause the precipitation of ester, vacuum evaporation of benzyl alcohol, hydrolysis of a sample in order to have a steroid base. These techniques could be employed one-by-one to have a desired effect.
As far as water based products, amber vials are very hepful in slow'n down bacteria growth. I've alway thought water based products should come packaged as such. Oil is a much safer (bacteria infection wise) and a lot less uncomfortable.Water based items are risky from the time you pass the rubber stopper.lol These just my opinions though as some folks have no pain issues use'n water based products.
Peace and Love
Sorry bro but is this another advertisement thread?
I thought we weren't allowed to discuss Pricing or source talk on Anabolic ZONE
Yup, not all UGL's are bad.
I bet a ton of those were from uneducated idiots who bought complete crap, didn't do the steps to make sure their prep area was clean.
A little bit of research goes a long way...
I know a ton of dudes here use UGL and I have yet read a thread from someone who actually got something as bad as shown in the video.
All you need is a little research and you can find those good UGLs.
I won't get into detail, but from several high ranking people on this forum (including moderators) have told me that some of the sponsors who say they're gear is FDA approved, are actually not. That doesn't take away from it being high quality by any means, but I won't go into anymore detail then that.
A little bit of research goes a long way...
I know a ton of dudes here use UGL and I have yet read a thread from someone who actually got something as bad as shown in the video.
All you need is a little research and you can find those good UGLs.
I won't get into detail, but from several high ranking people on this forum (including moderators) have told me that some of the sponsors who say they're gear is FDA approved, are actually not. That doesn't take away from it being high quality by any means, but I won't go into anymore detail then that.
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Agree with you there. Water based steroids are much more likely to contain bacteria and are much more uncomfortable to inject without a doubt.
Here is an article that shows 1 in 5 UGL's tested had toxic heavy metals present in the products. These unregulated labs are slowly poisoning unsuspecting users.
Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?
Don Hooton - Friday, August 14, 2009
Although this article from Mesomorphosis.com was posted last year, the information is so important that I thought it important (critical) to share with you on our site again. For those youth that are visiting our site to learn the truth about anabolic steroids, it is crucial that you understand what it is that you are REALLY putting into your body when you acquire your anabolic steroids.
The information in this article should scare everyone!
Don
William Llewellyn, author of the authoritative Anabolics 2007 and editor of Body of Science, recently completed a project designed to help consumers of UGL anabolic steroids to better assess the degree of toxic heavy metal contamination in underground steroids.
William Llewellyn also examined whether the “actual dosage” of anabolic steroids in the UGL products approximately “label claims” of stated ingredient. He tested 1 methandrostenolone product, 2 testosterone enanthate products, 1 testosterone propionate product, 2 boldenone undecylenate products, 3 testosterone cypionate products, 1 trenbolone hexahydro product, 1 trenbolone enanthate product, 1 nandrolone decanoate product and 2 methenolone enanthate products.
The quality control of the UGL steroids was terrible. Results revealed that 64% of the UGL steroids did not meet label claims either underdosed or overdosed by greater than 20%. Most were slightly underdosed, one contained no active ingredients, and a few were significantly overdose (by as much as 459%)! Additional information is available on the Body of Science website.
Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?
Don Hooton - Friday, August 14, 2009
Although this article from Mesomorphosis.com was posted last year, the information is so important that I thought it important (critical) to share with you on our site again. For those youth that are visiting our site to learn the truth about anabolic steroids, it is crucial that you understand what it is that you are REALLY putting into your body when you acquire your anabolic steroids.
The information in this article should scare everyone!
Don
Most bodybuilders who use anabolic steroids manufactured by underground labs (UGLs) in the United States are primarily concerned with whether or not the product is accurately dosed with the anabolic steroid listed on the label. Some more health conscious steroid users are also concerned about potential health risks arising from the contamination of UGL steroid products with bateria and/or heavy metals. Fortunately, bacterial contamination is not a common problem since most UGLs effectively sterilize the product by adding ingredients such as benzyl alcohol, etc. However, few people have actually considered the potential toxicity of using anabolic steroids contaminated with heavy metals. Given that most of the steroid powder is illicitly imported from China, the possibility of contamination with lead, tin, mercury, arsenic, etc. is a real possibility.
William Llewellyn, author of the authoritative Anabolics 2007 and editor of Body of Science, recently completed a project designed to help consumers of UGL anabolic steroids to better assess the degree of toxic heavy metal contamination in underground steroids.
A total of 14 underground steroid samples were selected for laboratory testing, which included products from Amplio Labs, British Dragon, Diamond Pharma, Generic Anabolics, Generic Pharma, Lizard Laboratories, Medical Inc., Microbiological Labs, Nordic Supplements, Shark Laboratories, SWE Supplements, and Troy Labs. Included in this list were drugs that were made from small underground manufacturers, mid-level operations, and even producers large enough to have their items assembled under contract by drug manufacturing facilities. All 14 samples were analyzed at a registered and licensed facility in the U.S.
The results of the heavy metals tests revealed that 21% of anabolic steroid products from underground labs were contaminated with toxic heavy metals.
William Llewellyn also examined whether the “actual dosage” of anabolic steroids in the UGL products approximately “label claims” of stated ingredient. He tested 1 methandrostenolone product, 2 testosterone enanthate products, 1 testosterone propionate product, 2 boldenone undecylenate products, 3 testosterone cypionate products, 1 trenbolone hexahydro product, 1 trenbolone enanthate product, 1 nandrolone decanoate product and 2 methenolone enanthate products.
The quality control of the UGL steroids was terrible. Results revealed that 64% of the UGL steroids did not meet label claims either underdosed or overdosed by greater than 20%. Most were slightly underdosed, one contained no active ingredients, and a few were significantly overdose (by as much as 459%)! Additional information is available on the Body of Science website.
TGB1987
Registered
I trust Heavyiron's judgement and opinion. He is a veteran of AAS. He is trying to help others realize the chance they are taking when using UGLs. No not all UGLs are bad but do you think most labs are going to go out of their way to follow proper protocol when they have no one regulating them. NO. Why??? because it costs money and we all know that is what it is all about. Most UGLs are not safe substitutes for pharm quality gear. Of course there are exceptions but they are few and far between. Everyone here thinks that this will not happen to them. Well many of you have probably already used products that could have had heavy metal contamination and there is no telling what that could mean years down the road. It is a scary thought. Would you want to take medicine that was made in a small UGL with no regulations or restrictions. Many of the UGLs don't know that their products are contaminated because they are unable to check the quality of their powders. Using cheap powders is what allows UGLs to sell products at prices that are too good to be true. How else can they sell at these prices and make a profit. They are making a profit trust me they aren't doing it for free. Heavy is just trying to open the eyes of members for their own good. Many look for the best price with things in life. In many cases this is what americans are accustomed to doing but this is not like buying food at a grocery store. You don't always get the best deal when you pay less for AAS. Think about the costs of proper production, quality powders, supplies (vials, stoppers, labels so on), and now incorporate some type of profit. What do you get? If your price doesn't make sense you should think about what you are doing. We are not saying you should always buy the most expensive gear available because that is not always the best buy but at least think about the price and do the math. If something doesn't make sense then you should have your answer. No one wants to pay more than they have to for anything but realize there has to be a difference. Try to go off of reviews and common sense. If there is a product that has zero bad reviews and costs more then most what does that tell you? If you don't want to pay top dollar or can't afford it at least try to look for something that makes sense in the middle that has good reviews. You don't want to end up having infections or Heavy metal toxicity because you wanted to save a few bucks on gear. If you can't afford to buy safe gear then you would be better not using any at all in the long run. It is not worth your health to gain a few pounds of muscle. Using AAS is supposed to be about taking care of your body and taking it further then possible without AAS. When you go buy a car do you go with the cheapest one you can find or one that is known for quality and costs more. Doesn't have to be the most expensive out there but you don't want the cheapest if you want it to last for any length of time. Please consider your options more carefully. If you find a great UGL that you think truly follows quality standards and the prices match stick with them. If you want to feel safe go with one that may cost more but has the reviews to back it up. It is your choice in the end and I think Heavy made this thread to help members realize that bad things do happen and when something sounds too good to be true it probably is. Be safe and at least think twice before making a mistake that could cause health issues down the road. Trust your source and make sure it sounds like a price that at least makes sense. Stay Safe.
He is quoting William Llewellyn directly.
World-Pharma.org
Elite Member
William Llewellyn is respect guy from big guys. Only few guys don't like him since he always talk the truth and his lab reports show a lot to all of us...so some guys hate him because of that!
Surprised this isn't a sticky. Big thanks to Heavyiron. As of right now I'm sitting on a sore glute swollen for the third day from a 300mg/ml ugl blend. The Lab told me it's overdosed and crystalizes so I have to bake it at 230 for 30 minutes with a needle in the top. I learned the hard way to make sure the needle isnt in the oil because when the air expands inside the vial it pushes the oil out and down the vial. I also ordered some filter needles to draw with and 70% alcohol wipes instead of the antiseptic hand wipes I had used. Also going to try .5ml of the blend with .5ml of 200mg cyp to cut it closer to 250mg/ml which seems the stable limit from what I've read. Now some things I neglected that might not be the gears fault is the alcohol wipes, rushing the injection and not waiting 15 seconds before pulling it out. I also went and did heavy legs right after which I though would help circulate the gear out of my glute but may have pushed it out under the skin. I did shower and use an antiseptik hand wipe and switched to a new 22g 1.5" needle after it was drawn.
Now my first injection in the other glute was unusually sore for 5 days but no swelling or redness, because I had used HG amps before and was only sore for a day.
So right now I only have a palm size swelling on the side of my glute and soreness at the injection site across the top of my glute. I started putting a triple antibiotic pain reliever on it like used for burns and scrapes and seems to be helping. I also stopped my whole cycle with letro and proviron and just walking until it's gone. Also started LIV52 and Silymarin with a detox diet to help boost my immune system which may have handled the first injection but not the second.
Now my first injection in the other glute was unusually sore for 5 days but no swelling or redness, because I had used HG amps before and was only sore for a day.
So right now I only have a palm size swelling on the side of my glute and soreness at the injection site across the top of my glute. I started putting a triple antibiotic pain reliever on it like used for burns and scrapes and seems to be helping. I also stopped my whole cycle with letro and proviron and just walking until it's gone. Also started LIV52 and Silymarin with a detox diet to help boost my immune system which may have handled the first injection but not the second.
World-Pharma.org
Elite Member
Sorry to hear this.
I used to get 300mg/ml Enanthate from a compounding pharmacy in the US. It was legal for me to purchase because I have a prescription. There was almost never any severe pain when I injected it even at the higher mg/ml concentration. Not sure what is causing your problem but my guess is the whole batch needs to be filtered and then baked but even that may not solve the problem.
I have had pharmacy meds expire that were in half used vials (I used half the meds then stored them) that gave me problems but I think the vial was contaminated after I used it and let it sit so long in my medicine cabinet. Using sterile injecting techniques is crititcal because a dirty stopper or injection site may cause problems.
Anyway, I hope you don't develop any further problems. Take your temperature and if it goes above normal I would see a doctor about anti biotics.
Good luck
