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Doing abs every 15 days and look.

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Direct ab work is unnecessary, imo.
 
whats wrong w/yoga?
 
The13ig13adWolf said:
stop stealing my lines jake :finger: ;)...

Its what I must revert to now that I failed at stealing your heart :(
 
PreMier said:
Its what I must revert to now that I failed at stealing your heart :(
drama queen ;)
 
huesoloco said:
whats wrong w/yoga?

Nothing.. if your skinny like P.. :laugh:


But in all seriousness, I feel yoga is a great tool. Its called a joke dude.
 
The13ig13adWolf said:
drama queen ;)

Your not the one that had your heart crushed by being ignored :(
 
PreMier said:
Your not the one that had your heart crushed by being ignored :(
:blah: :finger:
 
:heart:
 
PreMier said:
Its what I must revert to now that I failed at stealing your heart :(

Yeah, you and every other guy on the planet that hasn't been with her. Heh.
 
PreMier said:
Cat, 5'7" and 165lbs.

Im 5'8" and 205lbs. Take it for what its worth.

Im not trying to discredit anyone.. I mean you look damn good. Like I said before though, I think you should add some more weight.


You almost weigh as much as I do and I'm 6'2". For me personally it is easier to be light and cut. I've had to eat quite a bit to get to 207. But I think it is soon going to be easier for me to bulk than cut as I think my metabolism might be dropping off.
 
The13ig13adWolf said:
why would you do this?

Because I don't have time to get in the gym more than 2X a week right now so I hit abs for 45 min. I've had people comment saying I'm going to pay the next day but when all is said and done they are slightly sore the next day. If I do a shorter abs routine I won't feel anything the next day. I take little rest because I'll lose the pump that I get when hitting abs if I have extended rest peiods and it doesn't seem to drain them as much.
 
PreMier said:

Perhaps not being so much of a queerbait will improve your chanes.
 
PreMier said:
Nothing.. if your skinny like P.. :laugh:


But in all seriousness, I feel yoga is a great tool. Its called a joke dude.

As flaming as it may sound I may end up in a yoga class to increase flexibility and hopefully prevent injuries in weight training. I've had a few people recomend it after my shoulder injury.

It just feels strange being a guy in a yoga class. I'll probably look like an idiot but if it helps heal and prevent injuries it's worth it. It's probably how most women feel when they enter the free weight section in the gym.
 
Dale Mabry said:
Perhaps not being so much of a queerbait will improve your chanes.

Too late, I give up.
 
joshp said:
As flaming as it may sound I may end up in a yoga class to increase flexibility and hopefully prevent injuries in weight training. I've had a few people recomend it after my shoulder injury.

It just feels strange being a guy in a yoga class. I'll probably look like an idiot but if it helps heal and prevent injuries it's worth it. It's probably how most women feel when they enter the free weight section in the gym.

There's nothing wrong with yoga. Flexibility is one area of physical fitness that many people neglect. It decreases the chance of injury, helps correct muscular imbalance, allows for a more full range of motion in many exercises, and helps maintain range of motion into old age. Some bodybuilders have implicated it as beneficial for gaining mass because you stretch out the muscle fascia, but I feel this is pseudo-science at best.
 
I need to start doing my abs only once every 15 days.
 
Dale Mabry said:
Direct ab work is unnecessary, imo.

Here, here. The abdominals are pretty much always under tension. I get sore abs when I run sprints. I did negative only pullups followed by straight arm pulldowns and I had DOMS in my abdominals for nearly 4 days 2 weeks ago.

Not suggesting that DOMS an indicator of growth (though I'm beginning to wonder..) but if I try and do direct ab work, not a great deal happens. If I do it in high volumes, my waist shrinks (hmm...and since we know that spot reduction is impossible), likely do to some overuse atrophy. I used to do direct ab work in the form of weighted situps, with 150 or so pounds resting on my chest once a week. It worked well. I haven't done those in months, and my core is satisfactorily strong regardless.
 
The exercises that hit my abs the most are the 2 you mentioned and heavy tri extensions.
 
Dale Mabry said:
Direct ab work is unnecessary, imo.


You obviously have a low body fat and good genetics to make a statement like that.

Yes abs are used while working other muscle groups, but I guess you could say that you never have to work tris or bis because they're hit when you do back and chest and shoulders are used in almost everything so there is no need to do shoulder exercises as well.
 
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joshp said:
You obviously have a low body fat and good genetics to make a statement like that.

Yes abs are used while working other muscle groups, but I guess you could say that you never have to work tris or bis because they're hit when you do back and chest and shoulders are used in almost everything so there is no need to do shoulder exercises as well.


you don't have to work tri's or bis because they are hit with everything else.

Also, doing crunches and squating are two different motor patterns that you are asking the abdominal muscles to fire and contract under. They are not the same. So, doing crunches wont neccessarily make your control of a heavy squat better.

I do some abs but usually just higher reps. I don't do much at all though. If I train anything it it is my lower back. I would rather take time to do things like hypers, rev. hypers, glute ham raises or good mornings then to do sit ups.
 
joshp said:
Yes abs are used while working other muscle groups, but I guess you could say that you never have to work tris or bis because they're hit when you do back and chest and shoulders are used in almost everything so there is no need to do shoulder exercises as well.

I agree with all of this, direct arm and tri work are also not required with a properly designed program.
 
Dale Mabry said:
I agree with all of this, direct arm and tri work are also not required with a properly designed program.


Maybe if I was 100% this would work out for me. But I can only partially hit back, can't hit chest, so I do bis and tris separately.

But what I noticed is when I worked back first and bi's after, my back got stronger but my bi's got weaker. I measured this by returning later to my older routine of doing bi's and tri's together and found my bi's were weaker than they previously were (couldn't lift as much weight). I also noticed that when I did bi's after back I'd get no real pump in my bi's throughout this whole workout.
 
sicko said:
a 5 min non-stop what ever exercise. crunches, raising legs etc...doesnt matter...just switch between without stopping, ... i dont add weights,i may switch angle to more difficult position..

im in UK , university of essex, probably transferring to Loughborough 2nd year

Well if you get into Loughborough for sports science, well done. I got an offer there, but it was for international economics...I knew someone who ended up going there, he said if you like sport you love loughborough :)
 
P-funk said:
you don't have to work tri's or bis because they are hit with everything else.

Also, doing crunches and squating are two different motor patterns that you are asking the abdominal muscles to fire and contract under. They are not the same. So, doing crunches wont neccessarily make your control of a heavy squat better.

I do some abs but usually just higher reps. I don't do much at all though. If I train anything it it is my lower back. I would rather take time to do things like hypers, rev. hypers, glute ham raises or good mornings then to do sit ups.


Low back is very very important. I had a very severe low back injury a while back and it was because I basically didn't work my low back and didn't work abs after I had my appendix removed. When I started training again I hit upper back and chest hard. I ended up injury low back doing incline and decline pushups because I didn't have the strength to hold my low back in proper form on the last rep. Now I do low back exercises that look stupid but they keep my low back solid.
 
joshp said:
Maybe if I was 100% this would work out for me. But I can only partially hit back, can't hit chest, so I do bis and tris separately.

What is preventing you from hitting back 100%? Do you have a barbell? Do you have somewhere you can do chinups/pullups? Okay, you can do back 100%.


But what I noticed is when I worked back first and bi's after, my back got stronger but my bi's got weaker. I measured this by returning later to my older routine of doing bi's and tri's together and found my bi's were weaker than they previously were (couldn't lift as much weight). I also noticed that when I did bi's after back I'd get no real pump in my bi's throughout this whole workout.

There are a lot of other factors that culd have lead to your biceps getting weaker. For example, overtraining them, working them less frequently (You hit them twice per week with your preferred split and once per week coupling them with back), eating a less than satisfactory diet, etc.

A pump means dick in terms of gaining mass or strength.
 
joshp said:
Low back is very very important. I had a very severe low back injury a while back and it was because I basically didn't work my low back and didn't work abs after I had my appendix removed. When I started training again I hit upper back and chest hard. I ended up injury low back doing incline and decline pushups because I didn't have the strength to hold my low back in proper form on the last rep. Now I do low back exercises that look stupid but they keep my low back solid.


are you talking about Superman's by any chance ? :) :D
 
silencer said:
are you talking about Superman's by any chance ? :) :D

Yes among other things. Some other dumb looking ones are hip internal external rotation, foot squeeze and bridging.
 
Looking ripped sicko.
 
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