Eating after workout

[Cookie]

I've always heard to eat a good protein meal after working out. My problem is I finish working out about 2 hours before I go to sleep. I don't want to eat real big before bed. Any suggestions?

 

[Arnold]

a protein drink.

 

[Cookie]

A protien drink don't hold me over though. I'm real hungry after I get done working out.

 

[Arnold]

then just eat a light meal.

 

[Cookie]

should it be all protien or can I add some carbs. I'm trying to tone out so I don't want to put on any extra weight.

 

[Arnold]

If it's before bed and you're cutting I would say high protein, low carbs and moderate fat.

I have a a whey protein drink before bed with some flax (w8lifter's advice).

 

[w8lifter]

EAT! After your workout, you need to eat, even if it's before bed. I would suggest a protein shake w/ 1 tbsp of flax seed oil or 3 tbsp heavy cream....no carbs before bed, if you're still hungry, add veggies. You can also have a meal....lean beef, chicken breast, eggs, etc w/ some fat....eating 2 hrs before bed is not a bad thing! You're about to fast for the next 7-8 hrs, you need something in your system so you're not catabolizing muscle throughout the night.

 

[Robboe]

There's nothing wrong with carbs before bed.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
There's nothing wrong with carbs before bed.

depends on your goals....doesn't?

 

[Robboe]

Not really.

 

[w8lifter]

Hey Chicken Baby....looky what I found

If you want to maximize muscle building potential of your training sessions, one of the best things you can do is to avoid carbohydrate in your pre-workout meals, while you train, and in your meal immediately following your training. This my sound foreign to many, but the science is good. Carbohydrate in all its forms causes insulin levels to rise. Insulin is not only a fat storage hormone, but it is an antagonist to Growth Hormone. This means when you have a lot of insulin present, you cannot have a lot of GH present. These 2 factors conspire to eliminate most of your muscle building potential when you consume carbs near a workout. High carbs = Low GH production.

Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin

Quote from DP

The origingal statement that insulin is antagonistic to HGH is correct. Despite popular BB pharmacology, it was explained to me, ever so simplistically that the "reason we avoid sugers at bedtime", is to avoid the insulin response. Seems high insulin levels totally inhibit the pituitary gland from HGH production!

So, even though Faigin is talking about carbs near w/o....would it not be the same for carbs before bed? Since HGH is highest at night, while you sleep?

 

[Arnold]

 

[Robboe]

Yeah, i knew about the hGH and carbs. Although i'm sure it's more to do with sugar being in the blood preventing the hGH release than the insulin.

Now, i am one who agrees about the hGH release as far stimulating the most fat burning, but one hGH release (or pulsating release as it were) doesn't make the world of difference - but i do think that several over time does - which is why i don't actually eat carbs until after training. also, for anyone saying that i'm losing the hGH response by doing this may be right, but the anti-catabolic effects and potential anabolic effects of carbs after training way outweigh the potenial hGH effects. Not to mention the fact that i heard recently that the body can still burn fat despite having insulin present in the blood stream (i'll look into tha a bit more soon).

hGH is also pulsated out over several times throughout the night (it's at most around the few hours before you wake up cause this is when you're in the highest state of "starvation" - remember that this is one of hGH's main roles - battling starvation) so carbs before bed will take a few hours to be cleared from the gut and put where they need to be put - glycogen stores, used immediately for whatever reason or stored as fat if glycogen stores are all full. By this time the carbs will be out of the blood stream and hGH can be released. Now, in this dude's case, he trains (damn hard i hope) 2 hours before bed. He can eat carbs and protein after training, go home and cook himself up a semi-large meal including carbs and there's nothing to say that these carbs will be stored as fat, hell no. There's more chance that the body will utilize them to refill glycogen stores and help the muscle repair and growth phases. whether he eats these carbs at 3pm or 11pm, there's little chance of them being stored as fat, so at the end end of the day, it doesn;t matter when you eat carbs (hormonal effects aside of course).

 

[Robboe]

W8, did you buy NHE?

 

[Dr. Pain]

Actually there is substantial evidence that in an insulin resistant individual, lypogenesis may occur irregardless of the
state of that person's glycogen saturation. There is no telling at what blood sugar level insulin will aid in the conversion of serum glucose, to a triglyceride, to glycerol to fat. BTW, excess insulin also follows this pathway,
triglyceride, to glycerol, to fat!

So why risk it on a cut, on a bulk, it is a somewhat moot point!?

DP

p.s Another key reason to aviod glycerine (glycerol-interchangable) laiden bars, while not affecting serum glucose levels, you may be giving your body something one metabolite away from fat.

 

[w8lifter]

He can eat carbs and protein after training, go home and cook himself up a semi-large meal including carbs and there's nothing to say that these carbs will be stored as fat, hell no. There's more chance that the body will utilize them to refill glycogen stores and help the muscle repair and growth phases. whether he eats these carbs at 3pm or 11pm, there's little chance of them being stored as fat, so at the end end of the day, it doesn;t matter when you eat carbs (hormonal effects aside of course).

That was my point for the fat and protein, not carbs...maximizing the hGH secretion during the night, I never said he'd store those carbs as fat post-workout.

And no, I still haven't bought the book yet

 

[Robboe]

Just cause of calorie deficit doesn't mean you can't put on muscle (well, except for keto - another reason i am against keto diets) and i personally think that the potential anabolic effects outweigh the hGH effects. And you can still get hGH release despite eating carbs late on.

DP: i knew about the fat-via-insulin thing. That's one of the reasons why i enjoyed reading NHE so much.

W8: order it right now. seriously.

 

[epimetheus]

So would a couple Eggs be Ideal to munch after a protien drink?

Some Essenstal fats, decent protien, and no carbs

 

[bo2312]

how long should i wait after i workout to eat again. i have been waiting one hour before and after. i drink a protein mix right after

 

[bigss75]

If I am really hungry after a night workout I just eat a MRP with a scoop or two of protein powder.