estrogen control on and off cycle

[carmineb]

hoping there is a quick and easy answer to this.

I notice that after a cycle of AAS or PH, I tend to bloat out a little as well as gain fat back.... What do many of you do for estrogen control when you get off a cycle?

I read wehre people use nolvadex as a bridge b etween cycles or basically they PCT til they are ready for the next cycle.... something about that sounds off a little, I dont know.

Lets say one was to consider doing a stack of say 2 injectables and an oral and the first half of the cycle was wetter , then switch out some of the wetter for dryier at the tail end, (12 wk cycle total). What would be the recommendation I can research into for when this cycle ends? and prime up for the next go 6 weeks later?

Basically want to keep teh gains and prime up.

Also, has anyone heard of or knows someone who used DRIVE? It suppossedly keeps the receptors fresh particularly for longer cycles (>6 weeks)

I also read wehre people are using clenbuterol as a bridge and stay on clen inbetween cycles. any thoughts?

 

[vannesb]

Dont know if this will help you but I take Armidex .5mg 2 X a week, however i am also on HRT

 

[Vibrant]

check out black lion formerone. its a suicidal ai and it converts to a prohormone as well to help add or keep gains. i will be using it in my pct and as a bridge after that until my next cycle.

 

[Arnold]

E-Control Rx (6-OXO) can be used as a stand alone.

 

[carmineb]

@ prince: how would 6 OXO work stacked with 11 OXO? 11 OXO is for cortisol control and the 6 OXO is for estrogen conrol? I know cortisol is released due to stress, inflammationi, and rebounding off cycle too.

@vannesb: I was on arimidex on cycle and now finishing off cycle.... Also on Nolva (tamoxifen)....

@vibrant: I did formestane after my HAvoc cycle (PH) and after my last PH cycle (it was included in one of the oproducts I took). I have heard things both ways with formestane. My local vitamin store strongly pushes formestane, on line, people talk it down. done my research on it and it seems to be a reasonable AI, not the strongest but maybe that is not what I need as a bridge. I aint looking to kickstart PCT with it as I am looking to keep the gains in lean muscle....


I realize that I have one of those bodies that favor estrogen. Since as men get older, (i am 51), the body produces less testosterone AND whatever little it does, aromatizes faster since more aromatizing enzyme is created by men as they get older too!!

So I might just have to be on something permanent just to ofset what my body is scrwing me with.

 

[carmineb]

6-OXO: (study referenced from 6-OXO page in ironmag store)

The results of this study indicate that eight weeks of 6-
OXO supplementation had no effect on body composition
or clinical safety markers, but incompletely inhibited
aromatase activity and significantly increased endogenous
DHT levels that were attenuated after a three-week washout
period. Therefore, while neither of the 6-OXO dosages
appears to have any negative effects on clinical chemistry
markers, supplementation at a daily dosage of 300 mg
and 600 mg for eight weeks did not completely inhibit
aromatase activity, yet significantly increased FT, DHT,​

and T/E.

 

[hypno]

6-OXO: (study referenced from 6-OXO page in ironmag store)

The results of this study indicate that eight weeks of 6-
OXO supplementation had no effect on body composition
or clinical safety markers, but incompletely inhibited
aromatase activity and significantly increased endogenous
DHT levels that were attenuated after a three-week washout
period. Therefore, while neither of the 6-OXO dosages
appears to have any negative effects on clinical chemistry
markers, supplementation at a daily dosage of 300 mg
and 600 mg for eight weeks did not completely inhibit
aromatase activity, yet significantly increased FT, DHT,​

and T/E.

I just woke up and besides I am somewhat dense as well but I have been considering alternative solutions to bloating from water retention when on cycle so could you enplane this to me a little clearer please:

"but incompletely inhibited aromatase activity"

Is this saying it was not as successful as it could have been but still worked OR is it saying it is not a "suicide" AI and it is good?

Thank you!

 

[heavyiron]

You never want to crush Estrogen so 6-OXO is nice because it lowers Estrogen rather than crushing it.

 

[carmineb]

So when someone goes really dry , on a cutting cycle and taking winny, they arent completely killing it, they are keeping it within a reasonable range? I guess optimally blood or urine tests ought to be done regularly to make sure all the money you spend is not going to waste...

 

[hypno]

Thank you Heavyiron and Carmineb! I understand better now.

 

[heavyiron]

So when someone goes really dry , on a cutting cycle and taking winny, they arent completely killing it, they are keeping it within a reasonable range? I guess optimally blood or urine tests ought to be done regularly to make sure all the money you spend is not going to waste...

If you are administering T its pretty hard to crush E2 but once you drop down your T to below maintenance then E2 may be crushed.

 

[carmineb]

thanks once again heavyiron.... I am pretty much just worried about PCT thru bridge. right now, I am priming up, (getting back to an optimal workout, getting matabolism and diet primed.... i like to have most of my ducks lined up before i strart any course