Euro Pharma Lab Results

[Runner22]

Hey Guy's,

Over the last few years, I have been experimenting on compounds and dosages that would be ideal for sprinting and endurance. I have found that more is not necessarily better. That being said, I did run my 5k PR on a fairly good dose of Test P and Mast (500mg Test/600mg Mast), but have found that low dose of any Test (w/ an AI to manage water retention) and Anavar, Primo, NPP or EQ works best for me. Since I'm not a bodybuilder (anymore) and weight is a concern for me, I focus on compounds that will deliver quality strength and lean muscle mass without excess water retention.
OK...enough of the bullshit. Some of you may know the bad luck I had recently with another sponsor so I thought I would post up positive results this time. Since this is not ???testing protocol??? take it for what it???s worth, but there is no denying the EP line is legit. Here???s my layout (all EP): Yes, I should have started the EQ on day 1, but I wanted to just test the ???Test??? by itself. I will never wait until the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] week like I used to do. I wasted so much time waiting for the ???esters??? to kick in...What a joke and disappointment!

This is my frontload and kickstart experiment....

- Day 1 (Friday - May18th) 250mg Test E/100mg Test P
- Day 3 (Sunday) 250mg Test E/100mg Test P
- Day 5 (Tuesday) 125mg Test E/50mg Test P
- Day 7 (Thursday) 125mg Test E/50mg Test P
- Day 8 Labs (Friday)
- Day 9 (Saturday) 50mg Test P
- Day 11 (Monday) 125mg Test E/50mg Test P/100mg EQ
- Day 15 (Thursday) 125mg Test E/50mg Test P/100mg EQ
- Day 17 (Saturday) 50mg Test P
- Monday & Thursday (Next 8 weeks ??? Split dose) 250mg Test E/400mg EQ/ Anavar 100mg ED

At week 5 I will post up my next labs and will also do the same 1 week after PCT. With regards to my liver enzymes, I added in 4 tabs split ED of IM Liver Support. By the way, I was also running 3 pumps of Formeron for 4 weeks before I started this cycle and continued that amount until my labs. I don???t think I???m a good responder from an estrogen point of view on Formeron and have since switched to 25mg Aromasin ED (split). This seems to work best for me...

Runner22/Desertrunner

 

[persianprince23]

looks like i will be getting me some euro pharm

 

[SloppyJ]

That testing schedule is FAR from the norm outlined in the stickies so be aware of that.

 

[OTG85]

euro pharm is great quality

 

[girpy]

yeah honestly all that blood work shows is that euro pharma isn't completely bunk...... but good to know that

 

[ordawg1]

yeah honestly all that blood work shows is that euro pharma isn't completely bunk...... but good to know that

This is true-but OP clearly states is out of protocol.There are other labs that are on this board that are out of prtocol and show complete bunk.On the other hand there is other Z gear that is within protocol that is " dead nuts on" .Like you stated-" good to know" Thanks-OD

 

[girpy]

Don't get me wrong OD, I have friends who have used EP and love it so I am sure it's solid stuff, just wish the results were following protocol, the more labs we have that follow protocol for comparison the better. But thanks op for posting.

 

[ordawg1]

Don't get me wrong OD, I have friends who have used EP and love it so I am sure it's solid stuff, just wish the results were following protocol, the more labs we have that follow protocol for comparison the better. But thanks op for posting.

I agree-we have more labs Ex will be pulling over that followed exact protocol.Zs testing has been stellar on intl.EP is also great -Thanks for post-OD

 

[bulldogz]

Wonder why the formeron isn't working for you...

 

[exphys88]

thanks for posting. It shows that there is test in the vials, but doesn't do anything to validate dosage (as you guys already know).

I would like to see some more tests following the protocol, but unless a sponsor specifically sends out gear to be tested in that manner, guys don't want to only run 300 mg/week and no AI or HCG. Z has quite a few tests out there doing this on the euro line on other boards, but I've been unsuccessful in getting those guys to post results here.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

why is nobody asking about his ai being bunk which he said he is using formeron?

 

[exphys88]

It's difficult to make the claim it's bunk because he ran a gram of test that week and his e2 was 75.

 

[persianprince23]

im planning on making a purchase of the euro pharm like and running bloods following protocol

 

[exphys88]

That would be awesome pp. it's important to avoid hcg and AI's too.

Once I cruise again, I will test my cyp using the protocol also.

 

[Runner22]

Yeah, this was just an experiment and I wasn't really intending it to prove anything, but since I did get bloodwork I thought I share it with the community. Part of the experiment was to also see if the claims about EP Prop having very little PIP are true. I have tried many in the past and the results have always been the same...it crippled me for days. I'm happy to say that EP Prop caused me very minor PIP (if any at all) and only for about a day.


With regards to the Formeron, I think Exphys had it right. I mean, I did pin a gram that first week. I have another bottle that I'll give a try in the future when I'm not front loading and doses are failry low. I think that will give me a better idea of how effective it is for me and at what dose/pumps.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

yea thats true but he allso said he had been running like 3 pumps before and during at 3 pumps i would think it would be able to control 1g a week 1 gram a week is not a huge crazy dose really.the way my formeron is pumping out 3 pumps would cover my intire body they are huge pumps now my first bottle i got the pumps where half this size.so if it was one of the newer bottles it would have been like he was using like 6 pumps or more a day and still out of wack.i am not saying it was bunk but maybe just real weak idk.or maybe the test was just that potent i am using z test e ep and i know it is stroung for sure.me and my wife a so raw we can not walk hardley for real.

 

[SloppyJ]

I was on 525mg/wk of prop and my e2 was in the 300's now that's bunk AI. I'd say his isn't bunk.

 

[vannesb]

Thanks for posting for sure, but keeping to protocol keeps it apples to apples

 

[mh48500]

Cool post, thanks! Wish the labs would show a total and not a max of 1,500. I finally found a lab here in Mexico that will show the actual mark...makes a difference.

 

[malfeasance]

I would like to see some more tests following the protocol, but . . . guys don't want to only run 300 mg/week and no AI or HCG.

Tough to take a whole month with no ai or HCG and no real cycle gains, either.

Not sure what to do about it.

For the non-TRT guys who cycle and go off, this is extending the period of shutdown by 4 weeks without 4 weeks of gains.

Just making my observations.

 

[exphys88]

Tough to take a whole month with no ai or HCG and no real cycle gains, either.

Not sure what to do about it.

For the non-TRT guys who cycle and go off, this is extending the period of shutdown by 4 weeks without 4 weeks of gains.

Just making my observations.

I completely agree

 

[malfeasance]

And yet I am still going to do it just because everybody here has been so helpful to me. I need to return something of value. So I scoured the boards before the changes to find a provider with no labs posted and made sure the provider does not know it is being tested.

Look for mine in a month!

 

[exphys88]

Looking forward to it

 

[Runner22]

Hey IM - Here are the secondary results (non protocol/non scientific) at week 6. I had planned to finish my labs the week before, but I had the flu (sucks). Anyway...most impressed with th EP line (potency). Below is what I have been running for the last 4-5 weeks (see front load and lab results above). Last pin was Thurdsay 6/28 (125mgTest E & 250mg EQ) and tested the next day - Friday at 7am (fasting) - Results at 250mg a week are >1500. AI was taken at 5pm the day before, but normaly I split at 6am and 4 pm.

Weeks 3-12
* Test E 250mg weekly (split Mon & Thurs)
* EQ 500mg weekly (split Mon & Thurs)
* 100mg IPD Anavar (split daily)
* 25mg RS Aromasin (split daily)
* 4 caps IM Cycle Support (daily)

I'm more than thrilled with the results thus far with the exception of my liver and kidney values (ugh). However, I have to admit ,I've been drinking wine fairly heavily since I started (I know-not good), but I had hoped the cycle support would have helped more. I have now cut back to 3-5 drinks/glasses per week (under alot of stress at work and red wine does thrick for me). Any other ideas - Liv52 or Liver Juice? BTW...If you need pics of the gear, I'll post those tomorrow.

BTW...anyone experience anxiety/chest pains/headaches and mildly high blood pressure (135/95) while on Var at 100mgs. I ran it in the past at 70-80mgs and was never over 120/80.

Thanks!

Runner22

 

[Runner22]

sorry guys...apparently you can't attach pdfs anymore and itt took a while to adjust my printer to do jpegs...

 

[Runner22]

Can anyone teach me hiow to just insert as a pic? Sorry I'm technology challenged. Thanks!

 

[exphys88]

Your pics made it up. Looks good.
Your liver values aren't that bad, and if you trained within a few days of testing, that can raise them too.
I know that var is heavily faked, I wonder if it's actually var. your diastolic is fairly high, is it consistently in the 90's?

 

[Runner22]

When I'm off cycle my BP is consistently 120/80 (all day long). Since I've been on this cycle my BP in the am is in range, but as the day goes on it creeps as high as what I posted above. I'm not sure if the VAR is legit or not, but I have noticed substantial hardening and mild vascualrity. I may stop taking it for a few days and see if my condition improves.

 

[MULCH63]

Did I miss it or didn't u say who/what mfg AI you are using?

 

[exphys88]

Research stop