Extremely chilling story(news)

[Little Wing]

That isn't a ridiculous scenario, it happens countless times a day across the world. Where does the line stop then? If people causing violent, physical harm to others is not a crime by your book, what is?

two teenagers with black eyes is one thing, a gun or knife, even a rock, with intent to kill is quite another. and a court would decide on the merits of each individual case. there would be no more cases where people are murdered by a repeat offender. " One of the most disturbing facts about many murder cases is that the perpetrator is often a repeat offender. Why are they repeat offenders? The Manhatten Institute reported that the average prison term of murderers released in 1992 was only 5.9 years. This country is paroling murderers after only 6 years. To put it simply, murderers that are paroled have the opportunity to kill again."

our prisons are so crowded they can't even handle the amount of criminals that need to be incarcerated so they let them go. what is your solution?

 

[KelJu]

two teenagers with black eyes is one thing, a gun or knife, even a rock, with intent to kill is quite another. and a court would decide on the merits of each individual case. there would be no more cases where people are murdered by a repeat offender. " One of the most disturbing facts about many murder cases is that the perpetrator is often a repeat offender. Why are they repeat offenders? The Manhatten Institute reported that the average prison term of murderers released in 1992 was only 5.9 years. This country is paroling murderers after only 6 years. To put it simply, murderers that are paroled have the opportunity to kill again."

our prisons are so crowded they can't even handle the amount of criminals that need to be incarcerated so they let them go. what is your solution?

Lawl, you think this dumbass actually has a solution. He is talking out of his ass, and it is making the room start to smell.

 

[juggernaut]

the solution is to burn them at a stake while red army ants crawl up their legs, devouring everything on them.

 

[MGorgon]

My solution? For starters,I would make drug possession/use legal, cutting back significantly on number of people in jail. Then I would cut back on the prison quality of life, which would reduce the costs, and allow us to spend that money on increasing the size of prisons. Then I would change the legal sex age to 14, cutting back on the number of "pedophiles" in prison for having sex with each other at 17. Then, I would increase the average sentencing for murder, to life. Not 20 years, but life. A sentence with no end date is what people like stanley tucci deserve. And in my prison system, he wouldn't be going to a country club.

My point, through all of this, is that people are far too quick to say "kill the bastard! He raped a child!" when there could be different actual circumstances. Maybe the child lied, maybe the child was wrong, maybe he wasn't even in the country at the time? I'm saying the justice system can't be cavalier about sentencing people to death, OR life in prison. I agree that prison isn't taken seriously enough by a lot of repeat offenders, which is why the first thing I'd do is toughen it up significantly.

 

[DOMS]

Hey, you could also cut down what qualifies as murder.

 

[KelJu]

My solution? For starters,I would make drug possession/use legal, cutting back significantly on number of people in jail. Then I would cut back on the prison quality of life, which would reduce the costs, and allow us to spend that money on increasing the size of prisons. Then I would change the legal sex age to 14, cutting back on the number of "pedophiles" in prison for having sex with each other at 17. Then, I would increase the average sentencing for murder, to life. Not 20 years, but life. A sentence with no end date is what people like stanley tucci deserve. And in my prison system, he wouldn't be going to a country club.

My point, through all of this, is that people are far too quick to say "kill the bastard! He raped a child!" when there could be different actual circumstances. Maybe the child lied, maybe the child was wrong, maybe he wasn't even in the country at the time? I'm saying the justice system can't be cavalier about sentencing people to death, OR life in prison. I agree that prison isn't taken seriously enough by a lot of repeat offenders, which is why the first thing I'd do is toughen it up significantly.

Research the cost of housing a murderer in prison for 40-60 years.
consider the cost to the tax payer, you and I. Then consider that our grand parents can not afford their medical cost. Consider that schools are not properly funded. Consider the single moms that work for barely over minimum wage trying to take care of her kids and are struggling everyday.

Consider how that money could be spent helping the good people of the country vs wasting it on the scum. your solution blows goats for quarters.

 

[Little Wing]

My solution? For starters,I would make drug possession/use legal, cutting back significantly on number of people in jail. Then I would cut back on the prison quality of life, which would reduce the costs, and allow us to spend that money on increasing the size of prisons. Then I would change the legal sex age to 14, cutting back on the number of "pedophiles" in prison for having sex with each other at 17. Then, I would increase the average sentencing for murder, to life. Not 20 years, but life. A sentence with no end date is what people like stanley tucci deserve. And in my prison system, he wouldn't be going to a country club.

My point, through all of this, is that people are far too quick to say "kill the bastard! He raped a child!" when there could be different actual circumstances. Maybe the child lied, maybe the child was wrong, maybe he wasn't even in the country at the time? I'm saying the justice system can't be cavalier about sentencing people to death, OR life in prison. I agree that prison isn't taken seriously enough by a lot of repeat offenders, which is why the first thing I'd do is toughen it up significantly.

you have some good ideas but i don't think it's right for a society to bear the expense of housing, feeding, medical care, clothes and other essentials , doing the laundry, the man power to staff a prison, paying their electric bill, sewer and water bills, cleaning, the price of the land and waste of land resources etc etc etc for people who willfully denied other people the ability to live the rest of their lives or destroyed the quality of another persons life. that woman and her son will never be free of what was done to them. a headsman's job is not a pleasant one but there's little use in just sweeping these people under a very expensive rug just to avoid the blood of justice on our lily white hands.

 

[Jodi]

My solution? For starters,I would make drug possession/use legal, cutting back significantly on number of people in jail. Then I would cut back on the prison quality of life, which would reduce the costs, and allow us to spend that money on increasing the size of prisons. Then I would change the legal sex age to 14, cutting back on the number of "pedophiles" in prison for having sex with each other at 17. Then, I would increase the average sentencing for murder, to life. Not 20 years, but life. A sentence with no end date is what people like stanley tucci deserve. And in my prison system, he wouldn't be going to a country club.

My point, through all of this, is that people are far too quick to say "kill the bastard! He raped a child!" when there could be different actual circumstances. Maybe the child lied, maybe the child was wrong, maybe he wasn't even in the country at the time? I'm saying the justice system can't be cavalier about sentencing people to death, OR life in prison. I agree that prison isn't taken seriously enough by a lot of repeat offenders, which is why the first thing I'd do is toughen it up significantly.

 

[MGorgon]

you have some good ideas but i don't think it's right for a society to bear the expense of housing, feeding, medical care, clothes and other essentials , doing the laundry, the man power to staff a prison, paying their electric bill, sewer and water bills, cleaning, the price of the land and waste of land resources etc etc etc for people who willfully denied other people the ability to live the rest of their lives or destroyed the quality of another persons life. that woman and her son will never be free of what was done to them. a headsman's job is not a pleasant one but there's little use in just sweeping these people under a very expensive rug just to avoid the blood of justice on our lily white hands.

Killing a human being costs the government far more then keeping him alive. You think the person about to die just says "screw it, kill me", no, they have a lawyer draw it out for years and years, with no attempts spared to prevent his death. Killing somebody isn't free like you people seem to think it is.

North Carolina spends more per execution than on a non-death penalty murder case
The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than the a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment (Duke University, May 1993). On a national basis, these figures translate to an extra cost of over $1 billion spent since 1976 on the death penalty. The study,"The Costs of Processing Murder Cases in North Carolina" is available on line atwww-pps.aas.duke.edu/people/faculty/cook/comnc.pdf.

That is just one study in an ocean of them, cost effectiveness is an argument that has been proven wrong over and over again. My solution, instead of murdering a person on a whim like many of you seem to want, would be to hold them in jail while the trial proves conclusively that they are indeed guilty of the charges, then lock them away permanently, unless they are later proven innocent, as has happened many times.

You always talk about how the victim suffers. Reverse the situation, what if it was your brother, sister, whomever, on trial for murder and rape. You know for a fact that they are innocent, but it's impossible to prove, and they are murdered by the government, how would THAT make you and your family feel? And don't give me the tired "but, but, that never happens! you're being a sensationalist!" because it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

 

[Witmaster]

...Something tells me some of you would feel more comfortable in Nazi Germany than a free democratic society.

So....

Following this train of thought it seems you believe that people in favor of Capitol Punishment are "Nazis".

Man..... that's rich.

 

[Little Wing]

Killing a human being costs the government far more then keeping him alive. You think the person about to die just says "screw it, kill me", no, they have a lawyer draw it out for years and years, with no attempts spared to prevent his death. Killing somebody isn't free like you people seem to think it is.



That is just one study in an ocean of them, cost effectiveness is an argument that has been proven wrong over and over again. My solution, instead of murdering a person on a whim like many of you seem to want, would be to hold them in jail while the trial proves conclusively that they are indeed guilty of the charges, then lock them away permanently, unless they are later proven innocent, as has happened many times.

You always talk about how the victim suffers. Reverse the situation, what if it was your brother, sister, whomever, on trial for murder and rape. You know for a fact that they are innocent, but it's impossible to prove, and they are murdered by the government, how would THAT make you and your family feel? And don't give me the tired "but, but, that never happens! you're being a sensationalist!" because it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

when someone murders your child, they take his semen out of her throat and ass and you listen while he describes her rape, torture and murder on the witness stand you write to me and tell me how happy you are that you get to pay the government to provide his legal defense and then babysit him for 5.6 years. then you write to me and tell me how you feel the day he gets out cock swinging in the breeze fantasizing about doing it again. then write to me about how you feel when he gets picked up for killing someone else's child. may you get what you hope for.

 

[Jodi]

My solution? For starters,I would make drug possession/use legal, cutting back significantly on number of people in jail. Then I would cut back on the prison quality of life, which would reduce the costs, and allow us to spend that money on increasing the size of prisons. Then I would change the legal sex age to 14, cutting back on the number of "pedophiles" in prison for having sex with each other at 17. Then, I would increase the average sentencing for murder, to life. Not 20 years, but life. A sentence with no end date is what people like stanley tucci deserve. And in my prison system, he wouldn't be going to a country club.

My point, through all of this, is that people are far too quick to say "kill the bastard! He raped a child!" when there could be different actual circumstances. Maybe the child lied, maybe the child was wrong, maybe he wasn't even in the country at the time? I'm saying the justice system can't be cavalier about sentencing people to death, OR life in prison. I agree that prison isn't taken seriously enough by a lot of repeat offenders, which is why the first thing I'd do is toughen it up significantly.

I'm still stumped here. I'm trying to figure out if you meant this as a joke or not.

I really hope so because I can't fathom that anyone with half a brain would even concoct such an unpractical idea..........

 

[MGorgon]

when someone murders your child, they take his semen out of her throat and ass and you listen while he describes her rape, torture and murder on the witness stand you write to me and tell me how happy you are that you get to pay the government to provide his legal defense and then babysit him for 5.6 years. then you write to me and tell me how you feel the day he gets out cock swinging in the breeze fantasizing about doing it again. then write to me about how you feel when he gets picked up for killing someone else's child. may you get what you hope for.

And you're saying I'm the one being ridiculous? Come on, of course my first instinct would be to kill the son of a bitch, but I've said it before, the victims should NEVER be the ones doling out justice. They are biased beyond all belief. How about instead of a very, very partial person not versed in the legal code of the country, we allow people who are impartial and trained for this very thing. The system isn't perfect, and under mine a person guilty of such a sickening act would be in solitary confinement every last day of his life, eating bread and water, nothing to occupy his thoughts but the reasons that his dumbass is behind bars. Can you tell me THAT isn't punishment?

 

[KelJu]

And you're saying I'm the one being ridiculous? Come on, of course my first instinct would be to kill the son of a bitch, but I've said it before, the victims should NEVER be the ones doling out justice. They are biased beyond all belief. How about instead of a very, very partial person not versed in the legal code of the country, we allow people who are impartial and trained for this very thing. The system isn't perfect, and under mine a person guilty of such a sickening act would be in solitary confinement every last day of his life, eating bread and water, nothing to occupy his thoughts but the reasons that his dumbass is behind bars. Can you tell me THAT isn't punishment?

Its a slap on the wrist compared to what they did to their victims and victim's families.

Please, please please for the love of god explain to our it is more expensive to execute someone, than to house them for 50 years. You are the only person in this thread that I unapologetically call a fucking idiot. You are too dumb to be sharing our air.

 

[Witmaster]

I'm still stumped here. I'm trying to figure out if you meant this as a joke or not.

I really hope so because I can't fathom that anyone with half a brain would even concoct such an unpractical idea..........

Sadly...... it's been the mantra of modern-day liberalism for decades now.

Rather than enforce a standard of accountability they lower the standard.

They've done it with education and graduation requirements.

They've done it with health care.

They've done it with law.

There is no end to the limit that they are willing to compromise.

Legalizing the "age of consent" to 14 so you can reduce the number of convicted pedophiles?!?!

 

[DOMS]

Sadly...... it's been the mantra of modern-day liberalism for decades now.

Rather than enforce a standard of accountability they lower the standard.

They've done it with education and graduation requirements.

They've done it with health care.

They've done it with law.

There is no end to the limit that they are willing to compromise.

Legalizing the "age of consent" to 14 so you can reduce the number of convicted pedophiles?!?!

Well said!

 

[Little Wing]

And you're saying I'm the one being ridiculous? Come on, of course my first instinct would be to kill the son of a bitch, but I've said it before, the victims should NEVER be the ones doling out justice. They are biased beyond all belief. How about instead of a very, very partial person not versed in the legal code of the country, we allow people who are impartial and trained for this very thing. The system isn't perfect, and under mine a person guilty of such a sickening act would be in solitary confinement every last day of his life, eating bread and water, nothing to occupy his thoughts but the reasons that his dumbass is behind bars. Can you tell me THAT isn't punishment?

Let the punishment fit the crime. Getting sent to your room for the rest of your life is preferable to death, and hardly a fitting punishment for murder. And reality is a bit more like this

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The wheels were set in motion for the outcome of this case long before the criminals were even arrested. How so? The emergency units were called to the trailer home (3431 Libby Drive) of Patrick Bourgeois in Columbus, Ohio on February 28th, 1996. They were told "someone was having trouble breathing". In route to the home, they learned it was a child and stepped up the pace. When the EMT's arrived at the scene they pounded on the door repeatedly asking to be let in, but no one came to the door. Instead, the EMT's could hear arguing inside the home, not a tormented or grief stricken arguing, but an argument between two people who were very angry with each other. The EMT's would later learn the couple was attempting to clean up the body of the already dead boy and hide the tape they had used to bind his arms and legs with. After what seemed like forever, the door finally swung open and there lie little Pj on the floor. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mike Bates voice breaks as he retells what he saw to Bob Greene, a Chicago Tribune reporter who has taken this case to a personal level. " I remember the moment that I saw the human bite marks on his side. Like someone had taken a bite out of his flesh. You could see where every tooth had bitten the boys skin. Upper and lower." Bates reported that he kept looking at the child face as he worked to bring him back to life. "His ears were red and bruised, like someone had pulled on them. One of the ears had these fingernail marks, like someone had ripped at it." [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Once Pj's still lifeless body reached Children's Hospital's emergency room, Bates reported seeing more bite marks on his back and neck. He also saw markings from the tape they had used to bind him on his legs and arms. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mike Cogdill, a paramedic assigned to the ER that evening recalls when Pj was rushed into the ER. Cogdill recalls trying to insert an I.V. line, he took the lifeless childs left arm when he saw one of the many bite marks on Pj's body. He then noticed the "furry stuff" on Pj's wrists and ankles where he'd been bound by tape. Cogdill said "Had they of shot him in the head, he would have suffered less." Cogdill's 30 minute trip home that night was a trip made in tears. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy on Pj, Dr. Patrick M. Fardal, has stated publicly that what he found was not "accidental". What he stated was "It was a homicide by child abuse." Dr. Fardal states clearly Pj's cause of death, "He was beaten and he was physically restrained, and while he was restrained he swallowed his own blood and choked to death on it." The autopsy report concludes that the beating Pj suffered was brutal to say the least. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pj's forehead and mouth were cut, and "abundant blood is seen to come out of the nose of this patient." Deep human bite marks were found on his left side and the back of his neck. There were abrasions around both of Pj's ears, which would later be learned came from the boy being drug around by his ears. The autopsy also showed eight bruises on the underside of Pj's scalp, which are undoubtedly the result of very hard blows to the head. There was bleeding on the surface of Pj's brain along with substantial swelling. There was blood in his lungs, in his airway, blood in his small bowel, his esophagus and stomach. [/FONT]
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I realize what you've just read probably disgusted you, but that was my intention. My intention was for you to realize what happened to this poor innocent child, this defenseless child so that when you read the following pages and see what the justice system did to him afterwards, you'll be as compelled as I was to try to make a change. You see the injustice didn't stop there, it didn't stop with Pj's death, it would continue on through our courts system to Franklin County Common Pleas Court Judge Nodine Miller who claimed they had shown remorse and freed them from jail after only 3 years, to the prosecuting attorneys who refused to file murder one charges, to the defending attorneys who abused the "super shock probation" law, to Pj's father and his girlfriend who now walk the streets as free people. For a full scope of the miscarriage of justice, read the following articles. I'll just about guarantee that you'll be as angry as I am. "[/FONT]
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They beat him, they bit him repeatedly, they drug him around the house by his ears, they taped his legs together, then his arms behind his back and left him to drowned in his own blood. After serving only three years in prison, they now walk among us as free people. How was this allowed to happen? I'll tell you. [/FONT]
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A series of mistakes, a judge sympathetic to the killers, a defense attorney with no conscious and a judicial system that doesn't see children as victims is how it happened. Throw in a little known law on the Ohio books called super shock probation and that's how these two vicious killers walked out of prison. [/FONT]
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If you've never heard of the super shock law, you're certainly not alone. It has crossed my mind more than once how this law was able to pass with so little knowledge by the public. I think it's one of those things they slipped in without anyone else knowing. Keep reading to learn what super shock is and how it works. After you've read it, I urge you to contact your congressman, your state senator and have this law repealed. [/FONT]
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Super shock probation allows a judge, at their discretion, to release convicted criminals from prison before they are even eligible for a parole hearing. How can that be you ask? Shock probation began as a scared straight sort of program in the mid 1970's. It was designed to give a person a taste of prison life in the hopes that they wouldn't want to go back. It was very seldom used for criminals serving long sentences. [/FONT]
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The law was changed, revised and added to when the lawmakers, in their infinite wisdom, added something called Super Shock Probation. Super shock probation said that a person need only server 90 days to be eligible for early release from prison. The prisoner could be let out at any time, no parole hearing was needed, no testimony, no nothing, only a judge to utter the words "let 'im go!" [/FONT]
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There are huge problems with super shock probation, the obvious one, criminals who should remain in prison are being let out early, but another problem, which I see as the main problem is this. Super shock probation does come with stipulations. One of those stipulations is that a criminal can only ask for super shock probation one time during the course of his sentence. If the request is denied, he can never ask for it again. Low life defense attorneys have however found a way around this little "problem".[/FONT]
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Rather than risk a denial and forfeit any chance of another, the attorneys would "hint" to the judge that they were "thinking" of filing a petition for super shock probation for their client "so and so". The judge, who in my opinion is just as guilty of this miscarriage of justice as the scum bag defense attorneys, would let them know in no uncertain terms if they should or shouldn't make the request. If the attorneys heard something along these lines, " I don't think it's a good time for you do that." or "No, now's not a good time." The attorney knew not to file a request on the record.[/FONT]
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The attorneys for Bourgeois and Bratton approached judge Miller about every six months and were told no. Personally, I think this in itself is a miscarriage of justice. It just goes to show that criminals can find a way around anything and I feel that the attorney's who defend them, are no better than the criminal themselves.





it happens ALL the time.
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[Little Wing]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6 Year Old John Doe

Beaten, Bound and Nearly Killed[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He was hot ... so very hot. He was so hot that the perspiration literally dripped off of him soaking his meager clothing. He cried out, "Let me out! Please let me out!" When no response came, he cried out again. He looked around at his surroundings, the small 2 1/2 foot by 3 bathroom broom closet wasn't much space, hardly enough for him to turn around in. There was no fresh air that came in, no light, only darkness for hours on end. There were heavy chains wrapped under his arms to ensure that he would stay on his feet and not lie down.


[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].... His head hurt him terribly. It had gotten bruised and sometimes bled because in order to sleep he had to rest his head against the fence that had been constructed around him. The fence, a coiled wire fence that stood over his head, was wrapped tightly around him thereby keeping him in an upright position. The chains locked him to the fence, another added safety measure to ensure his torment. He literally had to sleep standing up. He knew he'd be lucky if he was brought any food. Even if he was it would either be dish soap, so that he'd stop screaming to get out, or some piece of food covered in Tabasco sauce. He was so thirsty, it'd been hours since he'd had a drink, how long he couldn't tell for certain, he just knew it'd been a very long time. He cried out again for a drink, "I'm thirsty! Please, I'm thirsty!" The door was yanked open and a grown man's form filled the entry way. He felt something wet hit him as the man's laughter echoed through the little space with horrifying clarity. All at once with a sickness he couldn't even name, he realized that this man was his father, and he was urinating on him.


[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The above is not from a horror movie, or a book, though I certainly wish it were. What I have described above is what 6 year old *John Doe had to suffer through for a solid two months before he was rescued from his dungeon of hell. The story gets worse though, much worse. It began when *John's mother dropped him off with his father, Joseph Grad (31) and his wife (she was a bigamist as she was still married to another man when she wed Joseph Grad) Carmen Grad (35). Joseph Grad stated to Carmen that *John was his kid and he would punish him as he saw fit. Carmen herself was no innocent in *John's abuse. After hours upon hours, sometimes as much as 24 hours straight, of being locked up in the closet, 6 year old *John lost control of his bowels. Upon finding the defecation, Carmen took a paper towel, picked up the defecation and proceeded to smear it completely covering *John's face with it. While he was screaming that it was burning his face, Joseph Grad would simply turn the radio up to over power *John's screams of pain... [/FONT]
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[juggernaut]

okay, so for all you lame ass people who dont believe we should give an for an eye, what do you do to appease the family of the above story? You can because there is no way you can bring a kid or family member back to life. I say we hang them if you want to be realistic.

 

[Little Wing]

these stories are as endless as the parade of killers that enter and leave our prisons every day. our legal system is a joke.

 

[Steele20]

And you're saying I'm the one being ridiculous? Come on, of course my first instinct would be to kill the son of a bitch, but I've said it before, the victims should NEVER be the ones doling out justice. They are biased beyond all belief. How about instead of a very, very partial person not versed in the legal code of the country, we allow people who are impartial and trained for this very thing. The system isn't perfect, and under mine a person guilty of such a sickening act would be in solitary confinement every last day of his life, eating bread and water, nothing to occupy his thoughts but the reasons that his dumbass is behind bars. Can you tell me THAT isn't punishment?

Why not just put a 30 cent bullet in his head and save some money?

These god fanatics sure know how to fuck this shit up.

 

[Witmaster]

Why not just put a 30 cent bullet in his head and save some money?

These god fanatics sure know how to fuck this shit up.

Whoa there big fella.....

I [also] suggested a bullet in the head. Why bring "god" into this?

 

[Steele20]

Whoa there big fella.....

I [also] suggested a bullet in the head. Why bring "god" into this?

Common man, really? How many people have you met that believe in god (By god fanatic I mean hardcore Christian or equivalent) and believe in the death penalty for child rapest and murderers? Maybe you're my first?

 

[Pylon]

Don't generalize too much there. I'm one of those "liberals" and a Democrat who gets called out around here...but I'm for killing these bastards in the most painful way possible.

I have an uncle (by marriage) who is up on charges for having/sharing child porn. His story is that he was surfing online and it "just popped up". (I call bullshit on that, by the way. Feds don't go after people at that level.) Anyway, it's become an issue with my parents, who are very conservative, but can't bring themselves to admit what a dirtbag the guy is. I've known him for a long time, and he was always a very nice and charming fellow. He's almost 80, and is at home on house arrest until the trial. I hope he never sees the light of day once they lock him up (which should be soon.)

 

[min0 lee]

what a dirtbag the guy is.

I've known him for a long time, and he was always a very nice and charming fellow.

I hope he never sees the light of day once they lock him up (which should be soon.)

Mixed signals here.

Is he a nice guy or a bad guy?
He's 80 years old and most people that age don't know jack about computers. Maybe it was a mixup on his part, he was probably googled something like

 

[Pylon]

Let me emphasize....was always a nice guy...past tense.

The feds took his PC due to the sheer volume of kiddie porn he was stashing and sharing with a close circle of online friends.

I spent a couple of years working with abused kids back in the day. I give a shit how old he is. Once you are that involved, you're no longer needed in these parts...

 

[min0 lee]

Let me emphasize....was always a nice guy...past tense.

The feds took his PC due to the sheer volume of kiddie porn he was stashing and sharing with a close circle of online friends.

I spent a couple of years working with abused kids back in the day. I give a shit how old he is. Once you are that involved, you're no longer needed in these parts...

I see now.

For an 80 to be still interested in sex is bit of an accomplishment.

 

[DOMS]

Common man, really? How many people have you met that believe in god (By god fanatic I mean hardcore Christian or equivalent) and believe in the death penalty for child rapest and murderers? Maybe you're my first?

I live in Christian central (in the west). Pretty much all of them believe in the death penalty for people like that.

You've got your views of Christians and the death penalty all fucked up.

 

[Witmaster]

Common man, really? How many people have you met that believe in god (By god fanatic I mean hardcore Christian or equivalent) and believe in the death penalty for child rapest and murderers? Maybe you're my first?

I actually believe that Capital Punishment is scriptural. I know several fundamental Christians who believe the same.

 

[KelJu]

Most Christians I know are Southern Baptist, and they are probably 90% pro death penalty, from the sample of a couple 1000 I surveyed indirectly.