F*** the Republican party

[Big Smoothy]

Ok, I'll bite.

What do I see in Bush?

I see a man that does what he says he's going to do.

In what way, specifically?

I see a man that truely cares for the american people.

You are brainwashed.

I see a man that will not compromise US security.

He already has.

I see a man that tells the truth.

You haven't been following politics very long, have you?

What do I see in Kerry?

I see a man that will do anything to get a head in life.

And not with baby Bush. Cocaine, booze, Skull and Crossbones, dodging the draft?[/quote]

a man that is a pathalogical liar.

If he wasn't, he wouldn't be running for President.

I see a man that humiliated his fellow soldiers by lying to congress.

He didn't humiliate any of his fellow soldiers and he never lied to Congress.

I see a man, who by his own admission, commited war crimes.

He never admitted to committing war crimes. At least he didn't dodge the draft like Baby Bush did.

I see a man who should have been tried as a traitor (along with Jane Fonda).

For risking his life and limb in Vietnam? Unlike the cocaine snorthing East Coast Elitist Preppy, who dodged the draft.

I see a man who stands for nothing.

Oh he stand for something, just like Bush: money & power.

I don't know Flex, the lesser of two evils would be Bush.

You got that right. This is the first thing you said that makes sense.

 

[Flex]

1.How many of those Americans are there involuntary? You are talking military folks, who VOLUNTEERED to join the service.

2. Oh, I'm sorry didn't realize you were suddenly physic. You accuse Bush of lying, but there is no proof that he has. Amazingly enough, Kerry has, I believe, FOUR different versions of what has happened in his past.

3. Actually, there IS a right answer. You make accustations, now BACK THEM UP with actual facts (include sources). Where do you get your news from? The back of a comic book? Not to be insulting, but .........damn.

1. i realize the military is voluntary. so thats enough justification for you for our soldiers to die needlessly? its funny how there's something like 535 members of congress, and ONE, yes only ONE, has one relative over in the ME. see how pro-war they are when its their family fighting. But i guess we don't have to worry about that, cuz its the poor and middle class that do the fighting in wars, the rich just have to provoke it.

2. ya, i'm a physics major.
oh no, he hasnt lied? thats funny, cuz i'm still not sure why we're in Iraq with all the different reasons he's given. "There are WMD's.....there are no WMD's". "Saddam is linked with Al-Quaeda...... he's not linked with Al-Quaedo." "Saddam is tyrannical, we need to liberate the country........oh wait, he sits on our oil reserves".

3. try reading the entire thread to see some "fact".

 

[Stickboy]

He never admitted to committing war crimes. At least he didn't dodge the draft like Baby Bush did.

Oh, what do you call this statement (from a Tim Russert interview):


SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions

For risking his life and limb in Vietnam? Unlike the cocaine snorthing East Coast Elitist Preppy, who dodged the draft.

What are you saying? Anyone that served in the National Guard during that time was a draft dodger?

 

[Stickboy]

1. i realize the military is voluntary. so thats enough justification for you for our soldiers to die needlessly? its funny how there's something like 535 members of congress, and ONE, yes only ONE, has one relative over in the ME. see how pro-war they are when its their family fighting. But i guess we don't have to worry about that, cuz its the poor and middle class that do the fighting in wars, the rich just have to provoke it.

Any idea what I do for a living? I understand better than alot of you what it's actually like to be fighting in a war zone (in addition to the scars I have from injuries recieved). Were we justified? Of course, We would have been justified simply because Saddam refused to abide by sanctions HE agreed to to stop the first Gulf War. Just because countries like France and Germany didn't come along means little. We don't need their permission to protect our country or our countries interests.

oh no, he hasnt lied? thats funny, cuz i'm still not sure why we're in Iraq with all the different reasons he's given. "There are WMD's.....there are no WMD's". "Saddam is linked with Al-Quaeda...... he's not linked with Al-Quaedo." "Saddam is tyrannical, we need to liberate the country........oh wait, he sits on our oil reserves".

Why did Britian, Spain and the others join us? Everybody thought he had WMD's.

Making a decision based on flawed intelligence is not lying. He had WMD's [FACT] and he could not account for their destruction [FACT] as required by the UN's mandate.

3. try reading the entire thread to see some "fact".

LOL. "fact" - you are not presenting facts, you are presenting your seriously flawed opinion on what's actually what. You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you in the ass.

You guys are giving Bush way too much credit for being some kind of comic book super villian. I bet you guys think he actually has a costume that he puts on when he's in the Bat Cave. It's so pathetic, it's funny.

 

[kbm8795]

Actually, I thought he was donning the robe of Jesus Christ...er...sorry...that's his good buddy Rev. Moon's job.

 

[Flex]

ok stickboy, er, Mr. Fact. it's not me that has to show the facts, its you! i can't prove something doesnt exist until you show me that it does exist.

He couldnt account for their destruction b/c he didnt know there were WMD's. show me facts they had WMD's. I, and most of the rest of the country, believes he doesnt. Again, I can't prove something that is non-existential because thats exactly what i believe. Its you that has to show facts, or existence, of WMD's in order to disprove it.

and let me tell ya, that bat cave wisecrack was fuuuuuuuuuuunny. wow you can crack a joke.

 

[moon]

The reason that Saddam is a bad ass is enough to invade.

 

[Stickboy]

ok stickboy, er, Mr. Fact. it's not me that has to show the facts, its you! i can't prove something doesnt exist until you show me that it does exist.

He couldnt account for their destruction b/c he didnt know there were WMD's. show me facts they had WMD's. I, and most of the rest of the country, believes he doesnt. Again, I can't prove something that is non-existential because thats exactly what i believe. Its you that has to show facts, or existence, of WMD's in order to disprove it.

and let me tell ya, that bat cave wisecrack was fuuuuuuuuuuunny. wow you can crack a joke.

LOL. Let me get this straight....You tell me to read the whole thread to get the "fact". What fact? All I see is mindless Bush bashing with some off the cuff remarks and opinions.

WMD's. Ok, let's see how we know he had them.

1. We SOLD Saddam some WMD's during the Iraq-Iran war. (FACT)
(Source: Story

2. He still had WMD's when he kicked the UN inspectors out. (FACT)
(Source: Story


3. Iraq could not demonstratively prove that they destroyed WMD's in the time between when the inspectors were kicked out of Iraq and when they returned. They had 4 years to hide them, or, perhaps destroy them, but they couldn't prove they destroyed them.

So, did he have them? Yes. Where are they now? Unknown.

 

[maniclion]

So then maybe the rest of the world should invade us for enabling Saddam.



By the way your first source contradicts your support of Bush

According to Ritter, between 90% and 95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were destroyed by the UN. He believes the remainder were probably used or destroyed during 'the ravages of the Gulf War'.

Ritter has described himself as a 'card-carrying Republican' who voted for George W Bush. Nevertheless, he has called the president a 'liar' over his claims that Saddam Hussein is a threat to America.

Ritter has also alleged that the manufacture of chemical and biological weapons emits certain gases, which would have been detected by satellite. 'We have seen none of this,' he insists. 'If Iraq was producing weapons today, we would have definitive proof.' He also dismisses claims that Iraq may have a nuclear weapons capacity or be on the verge of attaining one, saying that gamma-particle atomic radiation from the radioactive materials in the warheads would also have been

 

[Stickboy]

No it doesn't. I included that to prove to flex that we did, in fact, sell WMD's to Iraq.

Ritters opinion in the article is irrelevant.

 

[maniclion]

The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

So when will G.W. Bush file the papers to hold his father and Mr. Reagan responsible for the murder of these 5000 Kurds?

 

[Stickboy]

Not worthy of a comment.

 

[Randy]

I missed you're point. Can you elaborate?

My thoughs exactly!

Hey Satan, how the hell are ya. It's good to see you on, has been a hell of a long time. How are you and the family doin?

 

[Flex]

1. We SOLD Saddam some WMD's during the Iraq-Iran war. (FACT)
(Source: Story

2. He still had WMD's when he kicked the UN inspectors out. (FACT)
(Source: Story


3. Iraq could not demonstratively prove that they destroyed WMD's in the time between when the inspectors were kicked out of Iraq and when they returned. They had 4 years to hide them, or, perhaps destroy them, but they couldn't prove they destroyed them.

1. As far as your 1st story, let me ask you a question. I'm curious, should the former president's who sold these to Iraq be held accountable for thier actions?

2.well, alls i could find in your 2nd story that "proves" he still has them is this...Please note the IF in the first quote and the ALMOST CERTAINLY in the 2nd quote.
(like you mentioned already) "If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them."--Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02

"Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons" --Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02


Stickboy, we could go on argueing all day and night. The fact is, you like Bush, some of us don't.

My whole entire point is that it just seems kinda weird to me how we invade Iraq after Sept. 11 b/c we couldn't find the true culprits behind the attack.
Why wasnt Bush so interested in Iraq pre-9/11 if Iraq is such a threat?
And what about Pakistan, and esp. North Korea, who is just as, if not more hostile than Iraq?

 

[Stickboy]

It's not that I think Bush is all that great. He's just a better choice than Kerry, IMHO.

I left the republican party because of Bush, if the truth be known. Why? The ATF cracked down on my hobby (rocketry) and made it damn near impossible to buy the propellant needed (I ain't talking small rockets here, folks). I could, of course, apply for the LEUP (low explosives users permit) but I can't get cleared because my house is within 75 feet of a road. (storage restrictions). All this from the Patriot Act.

We know who did the attack. Al-Quaeda did it. Actually, Pakistan is an ally in the war on terror. Do I think Pakistan is a great country? Hell no. It's shit hole.

NK is lead by a certifiable mad man. He's fucking crazy. That's what makes NK a problem. Do you want to start trading sunshine with them? Me either. Better to settle that with diplomacy if possible. Saddam didn't get it, refused to cooperate, and paid the price for it.

NK, on the other hand consistently makes threats if they don't get aid. At some point, this is going to come to blows unless the NK people can remove him from office (i.e. Kill him). Maybe not anytime soon, but eventually someone's going to have smack that shit hole down as well.

I thought we were debating, not arguing.

 

[BoneCrusher]

When, in a relationship, if you do not tell someone an important fact while deciding an issue it is a deception by omission ... a lie. If in business an individual was so completely dishonest in a deal and that dishonesty carried such an extreme cost that person would be unemployed at the least.

The honest American that seeks out the facts and looks at these facts without his or her party blinders on knows that Bush committed a deception by omission. Even if Bush fans and party members deny these facts ... the facts are in. To say that Bush thought he was telling the truth is nothing more than an attempt at plausible deniability just as Reagan did in the Iran/Contra fiasco (I can still hear the shredders). Plausible deniability is not a factor in everyday relations and should not be allowed as an excuse by our leaders. He lied. We know that he lied. The evidence is abundant now. Defend his actions with half-truths and half-assed insults from now until the October Surprise comes out, but the truth is out.

Most of the responses here are from two camps. Republicans defending their leader and their place as the power elite (even if the defender is nothing but a voter ??? he can somehow hold his head up by being a party member) or from Democrats that want that same power and position back. Neither party offers a real person of moral quality as a leader.

If a Republican outside the corrupt Bush Power Group Inc. were to be ABLE to run then that person would get my vote. Fuck-head Kerry (it is just as bad that Kerry is a Democrat) is THE only other option.

 

[Stickboy]

Yeah, If you want the US seeking permissions slips to defend it self, then vote Kerry.

Kerry: Hey France! We have all these crazy arabs running around blowing our shit up, can we attack them?

France: No, we want you to perish, you should be nice and deal with the aftermath.

Kerry: Ok, cool. Just wanted to know what direction we should take. That sounds good.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Stick I'd expect a better quallity response from a person of your oveus inteleckt.

 

[Stickboy]

Heh, I've had a few beers tonight - you bastard.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Enjoy bro ...

 

[Randy]

Heh, I've had a few beers tonight - you bastard.

You need more than a few after reading the bs in this thread.
I had a nice Heineken fest myself last night

 

[BoneCrusher]

Fuck France Stick. You're hiding behind them rt now anyway bro. Uh-oh ... you were just accused of being defended by the French there Stick. HaHAHAHAha ...

After the way they treated my boy Lance I say that the big bike race they been holding should be held in Colorado! What are the french really good for anyways?

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

F*** the Republican party

No, fuck you sir

 

[Flex]

No, fuck you sir

 

[gr81]

Flex, why do you even argue with thse fools.. we know what the deal is, if they wanna make shit up then let them believe what they want. Republicans are so hipocritical they have no basis to judge anyone. besides whenever you say anything about their beloved retard of a president, they have nothing to so but, "well Kerry did this or Clinton did that". they displace blame onto someone else. Fuck em all

 

[Pepper]

You know, GR81, if people mouthed off to you like you do to us, you'd go ape shit.

I say again, how many retards have diplomas from Harvard and Yale?

 

[Stickboy]

Flex, why do you even argue with thse fools.. we know what the deal is, if they wanna make shit up then let them believe what they want. Republicans are so hipocritical they have no basis to judge anyone. besides whenever you say anything about their beloved retard of a president, they have nothing to so but, "well Kerry did this or Clinton did that". they displace blame onto someone else. Fuck em all

Quite possible the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say. I should trust your take on it? You can't even spell correctly. (hint: HYPOCRITICAL)

Just screwing around with ya gr81.

 

[gr81]

I say again, how many retards have diplomas from Harvard and Yale?

well thats a logical and reputable debating tactic. theres more to a persons intelligence than just grades ya know.

Just screwing around with ya gr81.

its ok I have developed thick skin from all the IM arguing I have been through. I can take it..lol

 

[BoneCrusher]

You know, GR81, if people mouthed off to you like you do to us, you'd go ape shit.

I say again, how many retards have diplomas from Harvard and Yale?

Thanks for that gmail. I will use it as a personal email that goes only to close friends and my yahoo email as my public add'y.

Also 24 hours are up ... so ...​

Pepper we know of at least one ... He's a soverignininity unto himself.

This is the part where this thread degrades into a bunch of school-yard bullshit. The people that object to Bush and have stated facts as to why are asking for a response.

WHERE ARE THE FACTS WITH SOURCES TO DISPUTE US!! Hello!!​

 

[maniclion]

I say again, how many retards have diplomas from Harvard and Yale?

How many high school dropouts came up with the theory of relativity?