Fahrenheit 911...

[Stickboy]

I find it funny so many of you are bashing this movie before even seeing it. There is a lot of factual information in it, whether or not you choose to believe it. I knew much of this information before even seeing the movie. I think a lot of you are just afraid to hear what he has to say because you support Bush and don't want someone to change your mind. Plus, instead of using constructive criticism, most of you are just bashing Moore's appearance.

Micheal, I didn't know you subscribed to IM

It's not the facts in the movie, it's the conclusions and innuendos that he comes too. His OPINION alters what he is showing, and therefore makes the "facts" irrelevant because his is spinning his view on them and presenting them as a "fact".

 

[Stickboy]

everyone that supports fish is a blind fucking sheep, because of people like you america has its dark days ahead of it. if you think 911 was something, most analysts predict that its cake compared to what they will do to us. its not if but when, its only a matter of time

you fucking sheep, get this piece of shit out of office, he has already doomed this country enough !!!!!!

Say what you want about Bush. Kerry is even scarier. He won't defend the US, he'll change his mind alot, and he WILL raise taxes and put us into another recession or outright depression. Take a look at his voting record, then tell me and the others exactly what this guy stands for (besides his best interest).

What scares the piss out of me is that you sound like someone who believes everything they see on TV or read. At the very least, look into the man you indicate you are going to vote for.

 

[Stickboy]

THE FACT IS, our kids and grandkids will be paying with their lives for his mistakes, he has driven the US almost to the point of no return in the eyes of tens of millions of muslims worldwide.

Oh really?

TENS OF MILLIONS? Come on, most muslims don't see it that way (as the terrorist do).

Not all muslims subscribe to this fanatic view that most of the muslim terrorist groups do. They do the very things their religion says NOT to do in the name of God. Go figure.

 

[Monolith]

Thank god somebody finally said it. I have seen the movie and even though I historically vote Republican this movie brought up many points that I had no clue about and I consider myself pretty up on current events. Bush Has disappointed me because of his stance on scientific research but until now I never thought of him as unamerican. Once I saw how deep his ties were with the saudis it definitely made me ask the question. And you have to admit the underling story about keeping people poor to have a surplus to draw on for the military has been a problem for centuries.

Are you kidding? This is exactly the problem im talking about. People are eating up this shit as if its news.

 

[Hanz29]

Here's a link displaying some of Moore's innaccuracies from Bowling for Columbine....not addressing fahrenheit 9-11, but it gives insight as to why he's such a known propagandist

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

 

[Dale Mabry]

Say what you want about Bush. Kerry is even scarier. He won't defend the US, he'll change his mind alot, and he WILL raise taxes and put us into another recession or outright depression. Take a look at his voting record, then tell me and the others exactly what this guy stands for (besides his best interest).

What scares the piss out of me is that you sound like someone who believes everything they see on TV or read. At the very least, look into the man you indicate you are going to vote for.

1)Bush DID put us into a recession

2)His "mind changing" voting record is basically propaganda put forth by the Bush Administration. Everything he has changed his mind about he has had a good reason to change his mind about. He generally votes for what is right, it seems the GOP tacks stuff on afterward and he votes against it. IE. He will vote for money for the military, then a vote will come out as to whether they should take that money from the schools or not. He will vote no, and then all of a sudden he has flip flopped on military spending.

3)As for Kerry looking out for only his best interests...What the fuck do you think Bush is looking out for? Do you think we will ever go after Saudi Arabia for the terrorists THEY harbor? No, it is not in his best interests.

 

[Stickboy]

1)Bush DID put us into a recession

No he didn't. Look at any economic records. The country was entering a recession when he took office. Say what you want about this topic, but a fact is a fact.

2)His "mind changing" voting record is basically propaganda put forth by the Bush Administration. Everything he has changed his mind about he has had a good reason to change his mind about. He generally votes for what is right, it seems the GOP tacks stuff on afterward and he votes against it. IE. He will vote for money for the military, then a vote will come out as to whether they should take that money from the schools or not. He will vote no, and then all of a sudden he has flip flopped on military spending.

If it's propoganda then it wouldn't be a matter of public record. Look for yourself. He doesn't vote for what is "right" - he votes for whatever he thinks will give him more votes at the time.

3As for Kerry looking out for only his best interests...What the fuck do you think Bush is looking out for? Do you think we will ever go after Saudi Arabia for the terrorists THEY harbor? No, it is not in his best interests.

His best interest, or OURS? Kerry doesn't do anything unless it makes him look or sound better. Bush on the other hand, has made unpopular decisions, and stood by them. Kerry will vote 7 different ways on the same topic if you give him 7 different options. I don't think the guy has a point of view or posistion on ANYTHING.

 

[Hanz29]

here's the data for the previous posts regarding the very short recession

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38826-2004Jan22?language=printer

 

[CowPimp]

Micheal, I didn't know you subscribed to IM

It's not the facts in the movie, it's the conclusions and innuendos that he comes too. His OPINION alters what he is showing, and therefore makes the "facts" irrelevant because his is spinning his view on them and presenting them as a "fact".

Who is this? The point is, there are some very disturbing facts that are presented in the movie. Much of the information I already knew before I saw the movie. He is allowed to spin his view on these facts. It is his movie. It's your job as an intelligent viewer to separate the facts from his opinion.

 

[Dale Mabry]

1)That article said they were "considering"moving the date back, provide me evidence to where they "did" move it back. Provide me with some of these facts. If they are indeed facts, they shouldn't be too hard to find.

2)I have looked at his voting record myself, and that is what brought me to my conclusion. My conclusion is more than likely the same conclusiuon that any sane, non-partisan person would come to.

3)Bush has made unpopular decisions because it has lined his pockets, not because we have benefitted from it. Look at his Environmental record, he continually makes decisions that are not in our best long term interests. He got us in a war for oil and a stronghold in the middle east, nothing else. There were far more serious terrorist threats out there than Iraq. Don't bring up that Queing theory bullshit either. You attack your most serious threat first, Sadam was not that threat. We should have taken over N. Korea a long time ago and there is no reason why we shouldn't have. You should also finish one war before you start another, where is Osama. We should not have engaged Iraq until his head was served up on a platter. We have absolutely no international support. I would prefer other countries have a stonger presence of troops than they do now. Bush's lack of foreign policy is why we have 90% of the people over there in that shithole. I cannot wait until November, that Ahole is out and it won't be close enough for him to steal this time around.

 

[odin52]

people eat up the facts that they want to believe. The shit they talk about kerry and bush is never 100% accurate, yet people use whatever half truths help their argument. You can't say," Bush is better than moore portrays, but kerry is exactly what republican commercials show him to be". It really makes you look like an ass. The only real truth is that bush is a religious freak...and insane.

 

[Hanz29]

Just saw it------

Extremely Boring!!

There were many parts which were completely made to tug on you're emotional strings......Moore criticizing anything and everything he could....I've read up on most of this stuff so I went in watching my feet making sure I didn't come out covered in B.S.

But it was interesting to see anyways

 

[copen73]

I have a few things I would like to add in. First of all I find it funny that everyone is pointing to Bush and blaming him for 9-11. How about Clinton? Terrorist are know for taking up to a year to plan an attack. It takes massive time for them to plan out an attack this big. Survalince, planning, training, and a practice run all will be cared out prior to the mission. This all started while Clinton was still in office. So why don't we blame him?

Second of all, even a little fact can be take an warped into something different. Humans like to take a little nip from the crust of truth and beleive they eatten the whole sandwhich. Let's look at Hitler...he was great at distorting the truth.

 

[Dale Mabry]

It didn't happen on Clinton's watch. It was also very apparent that attacks were gonna happen, Bush did nothing. Had this happened on Clinton's watch people would be calling for HIS head.

 

[Hanz29]

Dale- no offense--...but since I know you can read, do yourself a favor and start---it's been well documented that terrorist actions on bin laden's behalf have occured since the 90's. It has also been documented that Clinton had several options to take bin laden's head on a silver platter, countries had his location and offered clinton a chance to take him.....there were also 3 other occasions in which the Predator UAV had bin laden, but no action was taken (the predator sightings may not be attributed to clinton for sure simply b/c the message may not have gotten to him just as recent news has shown that clarke, not bush approved the bin laden family flights out of the country)

 

[Dale Mabry]

As did Bush, he chose not to heed warnings almost immediately before the attacks. I know the Clinton Administration had some evidence, but we are not talking about CLinton, he is gone. So since Clinton did nothing that excuses Bush for doing the same? I don't think so. The attacks occured on his watch, so it is obvious that he would be held responsible by the general public. From what I have read, he had what I would consider an ample threat with ample evidence. He stated that he did not respond because he was not given instructions as to what he should do. I said it before, if someone calls me and tells me there is someone outside my window with a gun, I am not just gonna sit there if he doesn't tell me what to do.

 

[Larva]

getting back to original question. will i go see it no, not in theaters, i will see it for free thou

 

[Hanz29]

If you have a fast internet connectinon I can send it to you Larva, but it may take some time

Dale, you brought Clinton up- I understand it happened on Bush's watch, but I doubt terrorist actions are designed to be obvious- it was singlehandedly the biggest, most unthinkable act. The warning was vague as was reported to the 9-11 commission- I'm not saying Bush did enough, but I think that no president could have honestly imagined something like that- i.e. U.S.S. Cole, U.S. Embassy, 1st WTC, but since then, many attacks have been prevented as the C.I.A. funding was increased after cutbacks, and the so-called 'wall' between F.B.I. and C.I.A. has been all but removed.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I agree with everything you just posted, Hanz. I definitely don't blame Bush, the general public prolly does, but I know that I couldn't have prevented shit, so I don't point fingers.

 

[MaxMirkin]

Hmmmmm........should I waste money on this movie???? I don't know, will it have big explotions in it?

Sorry, I'm disturbed.

 

[tomas101]

of course this movie is one sided, that was his whole point...he wants to show the other side of everything since what u see on tv from cnn, fox, msnbc, all the am radio stations is mainly republican slanted...he wants you to see the movie and take what you have learned from both sides and draw your won conclusion...most of this stuff in the movie is correct tho...of course it is biased but that was the whole point of the movie...it is for YOU to draw your own conclussion after putting the two sides together

 

[tomas101]

and you all are already making judgements on the movie b4 even seeing it....stop trying to make excuses for bush's fuk ups and just see the damn movie...its worth it...

 

[Var]

of course this movie is one sided, that was his whole point...he wants to show the other side of everything since what u see on tv from cnn, fox, msnbc, all the am radio stations is mainly republican slanted...he wants you to see the movie and take what you have learned from both sides and draw your won conclusion...most of this stuff in the movie is correct tho...of course it is biased but that was the whole point of the movie...it is for YOU to draw your own conclussion after putting the two sides together

What are you talking about??? The majority of the media leans to the left.

 

[Sean0621]

of course this movie is one sided, that was his whole point...he wants to show the other side of everything since what u see on tv from cnn, fox, msnbc, all the am radio stations is mainly republican slanted...he wants you to see the movie and take what you have learned from both sides and draw your won conclusion...most of this stuff in the movie is correct tho...of course it is biased but that was the whole point of the movie...it is for YOU to draw your own conclussion after putting the two sides together

Tomas do you watch TV, it almost all leans to the left, the am radio shows like rush limbaugh and Michael Savage certainly are conservative. But how you can say TV is all republican slanted with a straight face is beyond me.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Yeah, I would say there is a slight lean to the left in the media. I like it, though.

 

[tomas101]

news televsion people!!!!! it is mainly conservative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what is there not to understand...moore is just a person who is a liberal who is showing the other side!! not hard if u ask me

 

[Dale Mabry]

You know what is funny, I would say most news television people ARE conservative, but the news they report is not. We are never going to get unbiased news, unfortunately.

 

[tomas101]

very true but i'll put it this way:

I don't have anything against MM for the simple reason that he's outnumbered 30-to-1 in terms of partisan media personalities. I admire the man for at the very least saying fuck it, I'm gonna stomp conservatives using their own tactics and make money doing it. We need more mfers like him. I like how people on the left always want to hold their flag-bearers to these standards when the other side is gleefully happy to line up behind obvious distortion and lies. Michael hasn't said one lie. He hasn't told a balanced story but boo-hoo, just turn on any AM station or FOX news and you'll be all balanced out.


And ayone seeking to learn something from that film should be ashamed they were underinformed anyway. Bush is a shady moron. Cheney is a sith lord. Iraq was a unholy fusion of "Wag the Dog" and "Mo Money". Act like you know in November. done.

 

[Sean0621]

very true but i'll put it this way:

I don't have anything against MM for the simple reason that he's outnumbered 30-to-1 in terms of partisan media personalities. I admire the man for at the very least saying fuck it, I'm gonna stomp conservatives using their own tactics and make money doing it. We need more mfers like him. I like how people on the left always want to hold their flag-bearers to these standards when the other side is gleefully happy to line up behind obvious distortion and lies. Michael hasn't said one lie. He hasn't told a balanced story but boo-hoo, just turn on any AM station or FOX news and you'll be all balanced out.


And ayone seeking to learn something from that film should be ashamed they were underinformed anyway. Bush is a shady moron. Cheney is a sith lord. Iraq was a unholy fusion of "Wag the Dog" and "Mo Money". Act like you know in November. done.

Ok... right. I guess you can name a 30 conservatives who put out a movies geared toward putting up propaganda against Bush during an election year. Since these are the same tactics that they use. I don't know if you can call what Moore has done an out and out lie, but I don't think you can call it the truth either. It's his perspective on film, that's how he sees things I guess. I see things differently, and that's the way it is, everyone has their own perspective on things.

 

[austinite]

NO MATTER WHAT you should NOT vote for this fucking despot. even if he produces osama right before election, you dont play a season and loose 14 games and win the last 2 and claim to have a succesful season.

THE FACT IS, our kids and grandkids will be paying with their lives for his mistakes, he has driven the US almost to the point of no return in the eyes of tens of millions of muslims worldwide.

Dale I'm glad to hear that you haven't completely given up on the GOP.

Big Balla you sound exactly like the fools who used to say foul things about Reagan then cried at his passing a few weeks ago, realizing what a positive impact he had on this country. Bush will be reelected, get used to the idea. History will mark him as one of our best Presidents.