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I believe the half-life of clenbuterol is about 36 hours. Its kind of an individual thing as to whether or not it effects sleeping patterns. To some extent though, of course it does. I mean you are looking at a fairly strong stimulant here.

I have had one night of total insomnia from it thusfar.

Clen gives me the shakes badly. They are kind of fun to deal with though honestly. From what I understand it is not 'exactly' like a speed feeling. Just as ephedrine does not exactly give a speed feeling.

Some people experience GI distress taking T3. That is one I am interested in trying myself. My main concern would be potential strength loss from it. I suppose a powerful anabolic would take care of that though =D
 
I have never done "the draino" so I was speaking figuratively, the rapid heart rate though I am just not into as feeling as if its all that great.

Clen is ok but its not all that, if I were to do only one "mild" drug alone it would be T3, on some kind of anabolic support.
 
BoneCrusher said:
SO clen gives you a speed feeling? Does this include a loss of sleep or a hard time getting rest?

I NEVER do clen or T3 at night, always in the morning and I train at night.
 
Yep. I get the rapid heartbeat also and am not too much of a fan of that one. I don't experience that with ephedrine. T3 does look like the way to go. I too would prefer its list of sides. If i ever get around to committing to run a cutter, I will give it a go for sure.
 
LAM said:
in that short of a time frame either usnic acid or DNP

Are either of these legal??
 
DNP is an explosive and sales are controlled, Usnic Acid is readily available otherwise I would have deleted the source posted in this thread.
 
Mudge said:
DNP is an explosive and sales are controlled, Usnic Acid is readily available otherwise I would have deleted the source posted in this thread.
YGAPM Mudge...
 
Could someone PM me how to locate T3
 
You can get it legally as a research chemical. I think ibenutrition has it among many other places. Same place you would find tamoxifen citrate, clomiphene citrate etc. will often have t3 as well.
 
Of course UA is legal........or I would have never posted the source, plus Mudge would kick my ass!
 
topolo said:
Of course UA is legal........or I would have never posted the source, plus Mudge would kick my ass!
I missed your link when I posted that. :rolleyes:
 
Is UA and sodium usinate the same thing? If not how do they differ??
If I was going to use sodium usinate for max fat burning, what dose would you recommend??
 
Mudge said:
Really... I was thinking it was like putting cinnamon on my oatmeal :hehe:
You are the one always telling people how deadly DNP is. :p
 
Someone ran a low dose experiment with only 200mg a day, he quit prematurely because he had climbed to 102º

It just requires knowlege and care, research research. I may never touch it, dunno.
 
Mudge said:
Someone ran a low dose experiment with only 200mg a day, he quit prematurely because he had climbed to 102º

It just requires knowlege and care, research research. I may never touch it, dunno.

I was reading on LOI, that it made a guys eyesight go bad. And that he was all for it, untill that happened.

I dont think I would ever dabble with it.
 
Do you have the thread perhaps? Or remember how exactly they went bad?
 
Yea.
 
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Thanks PreMier, basically the guy says that he was 20/20 his WHOLE life until a cycle of DNP left him very nearsighted, he can't read signs until he is 20-30 feet away now at best. He says he spoke with an admin of another board who had the same issue, thanks for passing that onto me.

DEFENDANT ARRESTED IN INDIANA AND CHARGED WITH SELLING DNP; TOXIC WEIGHT LOSS DRUG OVER THE INTERNET - BALDWIN, LONG ISLAND, RESIDENT DIES AFTER INGESTING THE DRUG

ALAN VINEGRAD, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, and STEWART McGEE, Special Agent-in-Charge, United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Office of Criminal Investigations, today announced the arrest in Bloomington, Indiana, of SEAN ZHANG on charges of selling a misbranded and adulterated drug over the Internet. The drug, dinitrophenol, commonly known as "DNP"; is a highly toxic chemical normally used in the manufacture of dyes and wood preservatives and as a pesticide, and has recently been promoted as a weight loss drug favored particularly by bodybuilders. A federal grand jury in Central Islip, New York, returned a two-count indictment against ZHANG on September 19, 2001. Last Friday, FDA agents from New York, Maryland, and Chicago field offices, with assistance from local police officers, arrested ZHANG without incident at his residence. Pursuant to a court ordered warrant, law enforcement agents also searched his residence and seized a quantity of DNP, a pill counting machine, encapsulating tools, empty pill capsules, and three computers.

The federal investigation began after the Nassau County Police Department notified agents at the FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations of the August 6, 2001 death of Eric Perrin, a 22-year-old Baldwin, Long Island, resident. The Nassau County Medical Examiner's preliminary toxicology report disclosed that DNP was present in Perrin's vital organs. The investigation revealed that Perrin had purchased capsules of DNP from "dnp101" at Gaithersburg, Maryland, an Internet chat room that caters to bodybuilding enthusiasts. Four of those capsules were retrieved by law enforcement from Perrin's residence and have since tested positive for DNP. According to the FDA, when ingested, DNP is toxic to the liver, kidney and nervous system, and can cause increased body temperature, dehydration, rapid heartbeat, convulsions and death. (1) For additional information, contact the FDA at (301) 827-6250.

The federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act makes it illegal to introduce into interstate commerce any drug that is adulterated or misbranded with the intent to defraud or mislead consumers, and further provides that a drug is deemed to be misbranded unless it contains labeling that provides adequate directions for its use and warnings where its use may be dangerous to the user's health. The government's two-count indictment alleges that ZHANG, doing business under the chat room name "dnp101," sold and shipped capsules of DNP to Eric Perrin on July 30, 2001 and September 8, 2001. According to the affidavit filed in support of the government's application for a warrant to search ZHANG's Bloomington, Indiana residence, ZHANG abruptly moved out of his prior residence in Gaithersburg, Maryland, in mid-August shortly after Mr. Perrin's death. The affidavit further alleges that ZHANG continued to operate over the Internet from his new residence, touting DNP as "the most effective tool available today for the loss of body fat."

In announcing the indictment and arrest, Mr. VINEGRAD thanked Timothy M. Morrison, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of Indiana, for his assistance, and stated,"adio0ZHANG's indictment and arrest should send a clear message to those who would profit from the sale of unapproved drugs that we will find you, arrest you, and vigorously prosecute you in order to protect the public health and safety. We urge everyone not to use this drug as a weight loss remedy, or to ingest it for any reason. Our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and friends of Eric Perrin."

Special Agent-in-Charge McGEE stated,"The FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations is committed to protecting the public health. This case is particularly unfortunate as a death resulted from one person's greed and total disregard for human life." This afternoon in Central Islip, New York, United States District Judge Arthur D. Spatt, to whom the case has been assigned, ordered the defendant to be placed on house arrest subject to electronic monitoring and a $100,000 bond pending his arraignment at the U. S. Courthouse in Central Islip on October 11, 2001.

If convicted, the defendant faces a maximum sentence of three years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine on each of the two counts in the indictment. (2)

The government's case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney James Miskiewicz.


Defendant: Sean Zhang
Address: 1706 Williams Court, Bloomington, Indiana
DOB: 4/20/77


1. According to the FDA, the use of DNP in dietary preparations marketed in the 1930's, and the resulting deaths and injuries, led, in part, to the passage of the federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act in 1938.

2. The charges contained in the indictment are merely allegations, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.
 
So I was going to try UA on a two week cycle on and off. For the first cycle i was going to split the dosage
500mg a day split up 12 hours apart depending how i reacted to that i would increase the dosage. Is this a good way to start or should i go an alternate route.
 
no reason to cycle UA for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...

depending on the size caps that you have I would start out a 200 mg a day (split the dosage if you have 100 mg caps). for 2 days then up to 300/400 mg for 2 days. then 500 mg/ED for 4 weeks straight...
 
Ok thanks LAM that sounds good I have 100mg caps so i can run this easily, should i be taking anything else with the UA ?
 
dj_diablo54 said:
Ok thanks LAM that sounds good I have 100mg caps so i can run this easily, should i be taking anything else with the UA ?

either r-ALA or ALA (300 mg/ED of r-ALA or 600 mg of ALA)

quercetin @ 500 mg/ED and Vitamin C @ 3 grams/ED
 
either r-ALA or ALA (300 mg/ED of r-ALA or 600 mg of ALA)

quercetin @ 500 mg/ED and Vitamin C @ 3 grams/ED



excuse my ignorance but what is r-ALA or ALA and Quercetin
 
Alpha Lipoic Acid, I forget what the R stands for other than it is superior to racemix (both types) or standard ALA. Some believe the race mix negates results. Diabetics use ALA in their multis.

Quercetin I dont know. Thats where Google comes in.
 
LAM said:
no reason to cycle UA for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...

The belief was liver strain, but some of these guys are running 1.2g a day.
 
Mudge said:
The belief was liver strain, but some of these guys are running 1.2g a day.

holly cow ! that is an insane amout of UA. it's doses like that that cause people to suffer from liver failure due from compete shutdown of oxidative phosphoralation... :finger:
 
LAM, just checked out the old UA experiment thread you had. Curious as to what kind of diet you were on when you lost the 2.25 percent body fat (besides having the nightly dessert)
 
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