first cycle, witch one?

[malcolm383]

im looking to start my first cycle, id like to know which cycle is better, im not new to lifting but i am to this stuff so im loking for advice.

50 mg of whinny tabs a day and 400 mg of test E a week for 5 weeks

or

30 mg of whinny tabs a day with 300 m of test E a week for 7 weeks

and how many times a week should i inject?

 

[M4A3]

Why is it that new people never read the stickies or do their research before posting questions about their first cycle?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104658-first-cycle-pct.html

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/69292-cycle-advice.html

Weight/height/age/% body fat/years of working out/cycle experience?

And both those cycles suck.

 

[Digitalash]

Why is it that new people never read the stickies or do their research before posting questions about their first cycle?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104658-first-cycle-pct.html

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/69292-cycle-advice.html

Weight/height/age/% body fat/years of working out/cycle experience?

And both those cycles suck.

yep pretty much this ^

 

[malcolm383]

185.5, 6ft, 22, 13% body fat, lifting for 7 years, first cycle. i know that its not even close to being a ''good cycle'' i made a small order to see if they were legit, and i wanna see how my body reacts to it. so i guess i really just want to know which one is a better shity cycle

 

[M4A3]

This will help you. Same goes for you.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/130566-first-real-cycle.html#post2310333

 

[Digitalash]

185.5, 6ft, 22, 13% body fat, lifting for 7 years, first cycle. i know that its not even close to being a ''good cycle'' i made a small order to see if they were legit, and i wanna see how my body reacts to it. so i guess i really just want to know which one is a better shity cycle

If I were you I'd probably place another now and start running the test at 500mg. You should recieve the rest of the gear before you run out, and just continue to 10 weeks. Save the winny for the end IMO.

 

[M4A3]

If I were you I'd probably place another now and start running the test at 500mg. You should recieve the rest of the gear before you run out, and just continue to 10 weeks. Save the winny for the end IMO.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend starting a cycle without everything you need to complete it (all your test, all your PCT ancillaries, and your AI). You never know what might go wrong that is out of your control.

But I agree, if you are going to run the winny, save it for the last 4 weeks, and run the test for 10. The winny will dry you out, and give you that hard look at the end of your cycle, removing some of the water you retained because of the test.

Winny shouldn't be run more than 4 to 6 weeks because it's pretty hard on the liver. 50mg should be your max dose, but you might want to start out at 30mg because some people experience joint problems from winny. Better to start low and work your way up.

 

[malcolm383]

i was gonna take winny with it so i could use it as an AI but if thats not a good idea ill just reorder and wait a little longer then.

 

[M4A3]

i was gonna take winny with it so i could use it as an AI but if thats not a good idea ill just reorder and wait a little longer then.

You should take an AI for your AI. Aromasin would be the preferred choice.

Research chemicals that have good reputations - RX Muscle Forums

This thread should be helpful in deciding where to shop for your PCT and AI.

 

[Himik]

Do not run ANYTHING . Judging by your posts you know absolutely nothing about aas, research, research and research again before starting your 1st cycle.

 

[KAHA]

HEY dude listen to these guys they know their stuff I am on my first cycle and took me about a year of reading just to come up with my first cycle and of course with the help from guys in this forum, back in the days when I was young and stupid I did a cycle and I did not know shit about this stuff I just bought the stuff and took it thank god I didn't get hurt don't do the same thing brotha

 

[GMO]

do not run anything . judging by your posts you know absolutely nothing about aas, research, research and research again before starting your 1st cycle.

+1

 

[trapzilla]

Jesus
Shall I sort out his TRT or does someone else want to?

 

[Hench]

^^lol

 

[cg89]

best off doing test e alone for 12 weeks
week 1-4 250mg
week 4-12 500mg
week 1-12 .5mg-1mg arimadex

to see how your body reacts to it best to play it safe the first time and then the second time do it better.

 

[OutWhey]

Do a test only cycle for your first. You still need to do a lot of research and asking questions before you get too complex.
Week 1-12 500mg Geneza pharm test
PCT

 

[M4A3]

best off doing test e alone for 12 weeks
week 1-4 250mg
week 4-12 500mg
week 1-12 .5mg-1mg arimadex

to see how your body reacts to it best to play it safe the first time and then the second time do it better.

250mg for the first 4 weeks?

WTF is the reasoning behind that? That is just a waste of gear. If anything, some people frontload more gear the first week. I've never seen someone recommend starting out at that low of dose before.

 

[LightBearer]

First cycle is TEST ONLY. You don't run test E for 5 or 7 weeks, its a long ester, it takes 5wks to kick in. You're not ready for a cycle do more research

 

[malcolm383]

alright ill read up so more, thanks guys.

 

[aja44]

Do not run ANYTHING . Judging by your posts you know absolutely nothing about aas, research, research and research again before starting your 1st cycle.

+1 - How about you read the Sticky's and do some research. You listed NOTHING about ancillaries or PCT.

 

[aja44]

250mg for the first 4 weeks?

WTF is the reasoning behind that? That is just a waste of gear. If anything, some people frontload more gear the first week. I've never seen someone recommend starting out at that low of dose before.

I have to agree with this too. If I were going to recommend a full 1st cycle I would recommend the following:

Weeks 1 - 10 - 500mg Test Cyp (2 x 250mg per week)
Weeks 1 - 12 - .5mg Adex (E3D)
Weeks 2 - 12 - 500ius HCG (2 x 250ius per week)
Weeks 13 - 16 - Clomid 100/75/50/50

 

[malcolm383]

im going to run Clomid for my pct.

 

[btex34n88]

im looking to start my first cycle, id like to know which cycle is better, im not new to lifting but i am to this stuff so im loking for advice.

50 mg of whinny tabs a day and 400 mg of test E a week for 5 weeks

or

30 mg of whinny tabs a day with 300 m of test E a week for 7 weeks

and how many times a week should i inject?

Running test e for 5 weeks is like going to the gym and not working out. Usually kicks in weeks 4 so you won't see much. Is run test 12 weeks with windy either up front or at end of cycle

 

[malcolm383]

ok how about

week 1-12 400mgs of test E

week 8-12 50mgs of winny E/D

week 13 100/75/50/50 of clomid along 20/20/20/10 of Nolva

 

[M4A3]

ok how about

week 1-12 400mgs of test E

week 8-12 50mgs of winny E/D

week 13 100/75/50/50 of clomid along 20/20/20/10 of Nolva

You obviously are not paying attention. People have told you numerous times what to do. I even posted a link to a thread where I gave a full layout for a complete first cycle.

You are fucking hopeless.

There is a reason why I laid that cycle out the way I did.

You have to wait two weeks for the Test C/E to leave your system before you can start PCT.

Stop fucking up people's advice and do as you are told if you want to do things right.

Edit to add: I hope you realize that PCT should run for a total of 4 weeks (weeks 13-16)

When some writes 100/100/75/50, it means to run it every day, 100mg the first week. 100mg every day the second week. 75mg ED the third week. 50mg ED the fourth week.

 

[aja44]

ok how about

week 1-12 400mgs of test E

week 8-12 50mgs of winny E/D

week 13 100/75/50/50 of clomid along 20/20/20/10 of Nolva

HOW ABOUT NO!!! Are you listening to anyone that has replied to you? It took me nearly a month to go through all the Sticky's and previous posts and begin to comprehend this stuff. I asked allot of questions and put my time in and then proposed a cycle that made sense. The reason so many people are bashing you is that you obviously have not put in any time or effort researching a "first cycle" and looking for short cuts. People on here dont like that shit. Even when there is a Sticky that says FIRST CYCLE you cant find the hour or two to read it.

Nolva should not be part of your PCT, it should be on-hand only if signs of Gyno arise. Do your homework before you seriously hurt yourself!!!

 

[malcolm383]

im sorry guys im just new to this, im not trying to piss anyone off i just wanna do it right. and yes i did rush into this,
im not gonna lie i am having trouble learning all of this. and no im not dumb just new. i know it does not really show here but thats the truth.

 

[M4A3]

im sorry guys im just new to this, im not trying to piss anyone off i just wanna do it right. and yes i did rush into this,
im not gonna lie i am having trouble learning all of this. and no im not dumb just new. i know it does not really show here but thats the truth.

If you have questions, feel free to ask.

But, like someone else said, the reason why we are being so hard on you here is because you have not tried to educate yourself.

I understand that the amount of information is overwhelming... I still learn something new here everyday. I spent the first month I was here reading without asking any questions because I had no knowledge to even know what questions to ask. I had to do my homework first.

More to the point, it is incredibly frustrating when you try to help someone, and they obviously ignore what you are telling them, and then suggest something else.

If you don't understand why something was given to you as advice, or why someone suggested you do something a certain way, ask about it, and that person will likely explain to you the reasoning behind it.

We are here to help... but we need to know that we aren't wasting our time when we give you the advice you are asking for.

Make sense?

No one wants to see you mess yourself up.

 

[malcolm383]

i got you man.

 

[NJRiot]

omg i love m4a3 ... first he bitch smacks the guy than while malcom383 is crying he puts his arm around him and tells him ... how it hurt him more than it did you ... lol good advice never the less!