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For me, probably alot. Dbol aromatizes like crazy and I was up to .5 adex ED at one point on just 30mg dbol. Maybe more than was necessary but .25 didn't seem to be cutting it. With that brand of form bein so low dosed and apparently poorly absorbed you will probably run through it fast

SteroidalGazelle said:
Lets say for a simple cycle like this

Test E 500mg a week 10 weeks
Dbol 50mg week 1-4

How much would i need of the FORMESTANE to be good?
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SteroidalGazelle said:
?? But this formestane is ORAL ??
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20mg oral form would be worthless, are you sure it is? It's poorly absorbed orally thus most brands are TD, I read a study just the other day that it takes about 5x the trans dosage for effective E2 reduction orally. 250mg I believe was the reccomendation and this was an actual human trial
 
SteroidalGazelle said:
Guys i have a bottle of Primordial Performance Formestane... Would that be similar to FORMERON?

Would i be able to use it as an effective AI during Cycle?

This is the active ingredient " Formestane 20mg (4-hydroxyandrostene-3, 17-dione) " 120 servings per bottle

If i can use it as a effective AI. What dosage would you recommend Equivalent to lets say .5 Arimidex EOD?

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This is an oral product.
It just goes to show how shady some companies are.....Formestane has a 4% oral bio availability.
If I remember correctly that product has 20mg per dose.....
or 1mg per dose you absorb.
You would have to drink a bottle every other day.
 
lol..... on second thought thats not funny at all. I'd ask for your money back bro, if they even did a modicum of research they know damn well 20mg of form is worthless orally. Going on what I read recently (I'll post the study if you want), you'd need about ten servings a day of that stuff. Research next time before you spend your money on something bro
 
teezhay said:
Labs can wait, it's name and shame time. Who's been dishing out bunk chems?
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Labs can prove if something is as great as stated. I'm interested in this product but without bloods and dosing after getting bloods I wouldn't risk taking it. To each their own.

So are guys using this instead of an AI? Since it's a PH your able to run it even on a extremely long cycle?
 
I wish I had bloods but it is definitely good, in my opinion.
I get gyno flare ups while cruising on 200mg/wk if I don't stay up on my AI.
I was on 200mg prop and 100mg tren eod, using 4 pumps every morning(maybe overkill for some, but not for me), and I had no gyno symptoms.
No itchiness, no puffiness, lumps, etc..
I would definitely use it again.
As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to order a case or two next month.
Great stuff. Has my seal of approval. That's all you need :)
 
brundel said:
This is an oral product.
It just goes to show how shady some companies are.....Formestane has a 4% oral bio availability.
If I remember correctly that product has 20mg per dose.....
or 1mg per dose you absorb.
You would have to drink a bottle every other day.
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Idk if its bullshit but i rememebr PP long time ago saying somehow theyre oral had something in it that made it more available..

Anyways i did a prohormone cycle 3 years ago HDROL @ 100mgs for 6 weeks and come PCT i did clomid plus this formestane started high and tapered off little bv little and i could feel it my elbows we sore..
 
brundel said:
This is an oral product.
It just goes to show how shady some companies are.....Formestane has a 4% oral bio availability.
If I remember correctly that product has 20mg per dose.....
or 1mg per dose you absorb.
You would have to drink a bottle every other day.
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This is exactly why Formestane caps never really made it far on the market.

In fact, calling us shady would be a bit slanderous, considering this comment is taken directly from the product write up:

Although formestane can effectively reduce estrogen through oral consumption, its low oral bioavailability has lead to the development of several transdermal based products (which appear to offer higher efficacy at a lower dose).
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The product in question, from Gazelle, utilized a delivery system that we had had a very high rate of success with in terms of increasing the bioavailability of certain compounds. This is evidenced very clearly by the strong market presence and feedback that this particular product had established.

So while I agree with your statement concerning standard oral formestane administration, this would not be the case for this product.
 
Digitalash said:
lol..... on second thought thats not funny at all. I'd ask for your money back bro, if they even did a modicum of research they know damn well 20mg of form is worthless orally. Going on what I read recently (I'll post the study if you want), you'd need about ten servings a day of that stuff. Research next time before you spend your money on something bro
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I welcome your study.

Also, as an additional comment worthy of your attention, the recommended dosage is 1-3mL (20mg/mL) dosed twice daily. The product contains 125 mL. So while you can suggest that the member research before posting, I would highly suggest you research before dismissing a product.
 
I've heard of a product that uses a better absorption tech and I believe goes into the lymphatic system instead of the hepatic portal making it more effective orally. I would definitely definitely have another AI on hand though. I don't need bloods to tell me when an AI works though, I've been cruising for a while and like ben I need an AI on even 250mg or so. To JC, I've seen bloods that say it is only mildly suppressive at very high doses. I don't pct anymore though so thats not a huge concern to me, it is fine for on cycle AI though for sure
 
JCBourne said:
Labs can prove if something is as great as stated. I'm interested in this product but without bloods and dosing after getting bloods I wouldn't risk taking it. To each their own.

So are guys using this instead of an AI? Since it's a PH your able to run it even on a extremely long cycle?
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Formestane IS an AI.
Its a suicidal AI that is easily as effective as Aromasin but also happens to be a PH.
It was used as a breast cancer medication for some time but was replaced with aromasin for two reasons
1. it was too anabolic for the primarily female breast cancer patients.
2. it required weekly injections.
Aromasin is an oral and its not anabolic.

Formeron = Formestane
Aromasin = exemestane

They are similar. Both are suicidal AI's
One is a medication requiring a prescription or to be purchased through a research company.
One is included in Formeron and is OTC.
 
bigbenj said:
I wish I had bloods but it is definitely good, in my opinion.
I get gyno flare ups while cruising on 200mg/wk if I don't stay up on my AI.
I was on 200mg prop and 100mg tren eod, using 4 pumps every morning(maybe overkill for some, but not for me), and I had no gyno symptoms.
No itchiness, no puffiness, lumps, etc..
I would definitely use it again.
As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to order a case or two next month.

Great stuff. Has my seal of approval. That's all you need :)
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Four pumps !! Shit man you should have been a dried up old sponge on that much....LOL
 
exphys88 said:
Any labs?
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I have blood work on Formeron and A sponsor's Test Cyp. I just have to get around to putting it up. I will try to post it today. The Formeron is definitely good to go. My Blood work shows it. I would love to see others post bloods on it too. I am 100% sure that it is working great for me. Anything that is transdermal makes me skeptical but I trust Black Lion and I have been using the Formeron since I came out and I finally got bloods to prove the results.
 
By the way the results I will be posting today are from 1 pump a day of Formeron while running a cruise of 200mg of Test Cyp I have been on the cruise now for 5 wks. Before that I was running 500mgs a week of Test Cyp. I was using Formeron at this time at 1 pump a day as well. I will make sure I get the results up today for all to see.
 
Tgb,
Would you mind starting a thread in the Lab testing section too?
 
Absolutely. Damn I forgot to pick up my results again today. This is the second day in a row I forgot.
 
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Ok guys here is the blood work I got on the Black Lion Research Formeron. I have been on AP Testosterone Cyp at 200mg/wk for 5 weeks and have been using Formeron at 1 full pump per day ( about 1ml). Prior to the 5 weeks I was on a cycle of 500mg/wk of Test and was using the Formeron at the same dose 1 pump per day. I crashed my Test level by not injecting for 2 weeks after my cycle and then started a TRT dose. The blood draw was done on the 7 days after my last shot of Test so actually the morning of the 8th day. I used the Formeron up until the morning of the draw. I did not use Formeron on the morning of the Test. It was close to 24 hours since my last dose of Formeron. Everything came back right were I it should of been. I am going to start a thread in the Lab testing section as well. I knew the Formeron was working well on cycle but I didn't have the labs for proof. I feel even better now recommending the Formeron to others now because the lab proves it is very effective as an on cycle AI.
 

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Yes. I was/am using it at one pump/ day . I put one full pump onto my forearm and take the other forearm and rub them together to rub the liquid in. I use Formeron right after I shower when my skin is clean. Has been working great for me for the last few months. I switched from Aromasin as soon as the Formeron came out. I haven't used any other AIs since and Never will as long as Formeron is available. Thanks to Black Lion Research for putting out such a solid product.
 
Test and estradiol look good. I recently had my levels checked too, my total test was 970 and estradiol was 27ish w no AI. I must not need an AI while cruising.
 
whats your cruise dose exphys? I will probably get bloods done soon to find that out as well. I use an AI now but not 100% sure I really need it
 
Some guys can get away without an AI while cruising but usually if your Testosterone levels are above normal physiological levels your body will begin to convert the excess Testosterone to estrogen via the Aromatase enzyme and over time your estradiol will become elevated. I know that has happened to me once in the past. I don't chance it anymore. Usually I will just back off the dose of the AI while cruising when I know I have my estradiol under control.
 
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