No way.
That would make you 230lbs without ANY fat at ALL.
Unless you're 6'6", i don't believe that for a second.
Either your bodyfat was higher than you say or you weren't 268.
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No way.
That would make you 230lbs without ANY fat at ALL.
Unless you're 6'6", i don't believe that for a second.
Either your bodyfat was higher than you say or you weren't 268.
Ummm...sorry its so hard for you to believe CD. I only plan on competing at 217-220. Skip LaCour once competed very very hard at 231 or so. A 48-50 lb weight loss for a heavyweight is not uncommon at all. After dropping about 11% BF, plus losing about 10 lbs of water, plus some muscle loss from dieting, it all pretty much makes sense.
Sorry I've exceeded your expectations for a natural BBer
Sorry I've exceeded your expectations for a natural BBer
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"Did you read my first post in this thread??"
No I didn't. I have now and it's good to hear. I don't think I will ever have a body like that but I do want to bulk up a bit. I would like to be (just for example)
About this size. I have a long way to go but I hope to one day be there. Sorry to bring movie people into it but it was all I could think of.
No I didn't. I have now and it's good to hear. I don't think I will ever have a body like that but I do want to bulk up a bit. I would like to be (just for example)
About this size. I have a long way to go but I hope to one day be there. Sorry to bring movie people into it but it was all I could think of.
Vin Diesel is really not all that big. He looks far bigger on screen than in real life. His physique is very attainable for a natural BBer. Good luck in your pursuit!
Clever. No, really.
I still keep in contact with someone who does the "natural" competitions and currently lives in Miami.
He's always been honest with me and was totally natural up until last year (he did a mild cycle of anavar to offset any muscle loss from the t3 he was using before a comp).
he has trained with, and knows quite well, the likes of Markus Reindhart, Skip, that big black guy who is sponsored by Maximuscle Abe? or Obe? I dunno his name.
But yeah, all use drugs, just not as much as the "pros".
I still keep in contact with someone who does the "natural" competitions and currently lives in Miami.
He's always been honest with me and was totally natural up until last year (he did a mild cycle of anavar to offset any muscle loss from the t3 he was using before a comp).
he has trained with, and knows quite well, the likes of Markus Reindhart, Skip, that big black guy who is sponsored by Maximuscle Abe? or Obe? I dunno his name.
But yeah, all use drugs, just not as much as the "pros".
Well TCD...I have no proof about Skip, but I take him at his word. He as passed a dozen drug tests and although he looks awesome, he is about 50 lbs shy of IFBB pros of his height on contest day (he was about 205 in his last show).
Be that as it may, forgetting about Skip. The #s I gave you before about myself are quite accurate...yes, my BF% could be off by a percent as you must leave some room for error. However, those are the stats I achieved at the end of January right before I started dieting.
Remember, I have been training for 15 years and have dedicated myself to getting better every year. Training people is my career and therefore I MUST be "up to snuff" on all of the best training/dietary/supplement stategies for my clients and have the advantage of applying them to myself.
I am 34 years old and plan on being much bigger and better when I'm 44. I think a more positive and open minded attitude about what can be achieved through tons of hard work would help you with your own training TCD.
Be that as it may, forgetting about Skip. The #s I gave you before about myself are quite accurate...yes, my BF% could be off by a percent as you must leave some room for error. However, those are the stats I achieved at the end of January right before I started dieting.
Remember, I have been training for 15 years and have dedicated myself to getting better every year. Training people is my career and therefore I MUST be "up to snuff" on all of the best training/dietary/supplement stategies for my clients and have the advantage of applying them to myself.
I am 34 years old and plan on being much bigger and better when I'm 44. I think a more positive and open minded attitude about what can be achieved through tons of hard work would help you with your own training TCD.
I'm not accusing you of using drugs.
I'm saying your stats must be off.
If you'd have said 268lbs @ 20%+ bf, then that is more believable. A stretch of the imagination, but believable. But at your height it does not add up. Not from 125lbs.
I'm saying your stats must be off.
If you'd have said 268lbs @ 20%+ bf, then that is more believable. A stretch of the imagination, but believable. But at your height it does not add up. Not from 125lbs.
No offense dude, but stop and think for a second about something. Neither you, nor I, are close enough to what GP is for size to even second guess him for a second. I'm bigger than you by a good margin, but even I can only venture rough guesses on what might be possible naturally.
Fact is, neither one of us can say a thing about GP because we haven't been there, natural or otherwise.
I would have said 20% if that is what I measure, but I measure in at 14%...taken by a fitness professional (but that doesn't really matter as I could tell the difference between 20 and 14 % anyway). And about me weighing 125 lbs when I started...its sad, but true. I was so ridiculously skinny that it was embarassing. My stats are not off...they may be a little extraordinary, but they are honest. I don't know what else to say.
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I believe you gopro.
however, if you keep going around posting all of these stats, you better post some pics soon!
Even though you said this "tonge in cheek," I understand what you are saying. I don't post my stats to brag, and I hope its not construed that way. I only post stats when people ask questions or make comments regarding natural BBing and BBers and how they can't get very big...or if they ask whats possible.
I don't regularly take pics of myself...never had a reason too. I do, however, take pics around contest time and you can bet I will post those. Until then, people can choose to believe me or not.
Thanks Mudge.
Also, what you say about Skip/Skip's brother is true. I spoke to someone (actually the organizer of the MuscleMania competitions...Lou Zwick) about Skip when I competed there in 1995, and he told me that he knew Skip before he started training. He said Skip was huge before ever lifting a weight and his arms were probably already 18". The genetics are there as you said.
Maybe what we should say then, is that you can't get very big without consistent hard work, and dietary dedication, as well as a good bit of education in training methods etc to keep the gains coming.
That would be a more accurate statement, as steroids allow most to grow even with poor training, eating, and recovery habits. Naturals must me more precise and disciplined in order to progress, unless genetics are unusual.
yes, I was just playing.
however, it would be nice to see your contest pics, or even some pre-contest pics like the week before your show.
as far as TCD, he is obviously a very skeptical person, but the way I see it is you have never given anyone a reason to doubt your stats.
Originally posted by Prince
yes, I was just playing.
however, it would be nice to see your contest pics, or even some pre-contest pics like the week before your show.
as far as TCD, he is obviously a very skeptical person, but the way I see it is you have never given anyone a reason to doubt your stats.
People doubt me sometimes b/c my stats are unusual for a completely natural BBEr. The funny thing is that if I show someone my pics they usually say..."oh c'mon, you take drugs!" Either way I can't win. TCD can disbelieve me on my stats or whatever...that is his right. However, I am glad that most people here at IM trust my advice and therefore trust me about my stats and soforth. To me, doubters make me feel even better about what I've been able to accomplish drug free. On the other side I wish the doubters would believe me b/c one of my goals is to stop people from taking steroids when with hard work and time they can get big naturally.
As for pics. I promise I will post as I close in on my show!!
Quite the contrary, I suspect a good number of people for gear, now that I know a fair amount of it. I know several people in my gym, that I would be very supprised, and curious about many things, if they were not on gear.
However, humans can do amazing things, and as always YMMV - if you dont put forth the effort and dont live the practice, and dont find those tricks of the trade, then you/me/we will always be an also ran.
Yeah come on man, I've wanted pix for like, years now We need some motivation, and visions of Firestorm prancing holding hands with his 270 pound buddy isn't doing the trick.
Those people in the gym who hardly can break 200 and have been there for years will always be skeptical, I have one of these in my gym, but he "cant" do the diet, he just prances his way around "but but but..." So far as I know part of the failure of natural bodybuilding, besides the many cheaters (I see them on boards), people end up beleiving everyone uses.
We need some motivation, and visions of Firestorm prancing holding hands with his 270 pound buddy isn't doing the trick.Those people in the gym who hardly can break 200 and have been there for years will always be skeptical, I have one of these in my gym, but he "cant" do the diet, he just prances his way around "but but but..." So far as I know part of the failure of natural bodybuilding, besides the many cheaters (I see them on boards), people end up beleiving everyone uses.
He may not say so now, but I know he has pretty much pointed the finger at you in the past. I wonder if he thinks everyone with an extra 20 pounds of meat is on gear. If you didn't know anything about gear (GP) he'd probably say you were just hiding your secret knowlege, so yeah, you can't "win" in terms of pleasing everyone.
I said you're naive cause you basically said he's bigger than us so we should believe him. Which is just fucking ridiculous.
Under that proposition, we should believe that Jay Cutler is big from Nitro tech and creatine cause he says so.
I also said you're naive for being such a believer in everything he says. Have you never once questioned him, even if in your head?
And no, i know it's quite stereotypical of most to suggest that anyone bigger than size X must be on drugs since they couldn't get past size X themselves, but i am not accusing Eric of being on drugs. I am stating that his stats are well off if he is to be believed realistically.
Whether i think he has used drugs in the past is my opinion and not something i'm going to publically announce.
But i do think his bf% is well off for a start, as stated earlier.
Under that proposition, we should believe that Jay Cutler is big from Nitro tech and creatine cause he says so.
I also said you're naive for being such a believer in everything he says. Have you never once questioned him, even if in your head?
And no, i know it's quite stereotypical of most to suggest that anyone bigger than size X must be on drugs since they couldn't get past size X themselves, but i am not accusing Eric of being on drugs. I am stating that his stats are well off if he is to be believed realistically.
Whether i think he has used drugs in the past is my opinion and not something i'm going to publically announce.
But i do think his bf% is well off for a start, as stated earlier.
He may know about gear but if i was seeking advice i most certainly wouldn't ask him for it. That's like getting sex tips off a virgin.
If he is in fact natural.
And by the way, it's 125lbs since he started remember. Not just "an extra 20lbs".
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