Gay Marriage...i don't get it

[kbm8795]

LOL, is that the best you got?

I'm going to have to assume you are gay, since you defend it so much. I simply don't believe in your lifestyle, and won't sit by and have it intrude on my life.

Not a good assumption. I have been a journalist for years, and happened to do two major research projects related to their relationship situation. I witnessed treatment by our society that no American citizen should have to endure. And I've seen the kind of people that treatment is coming from. . .and they have never met my definition of "christian."

Hmm...and this coming from a man who gets (rightfully) annoyed when demonstrators shout "baby killers" when he leaves the base. Wonder if those people (who you "felt" like killing - not rightfully) feel like you are intruding on their lives? We know they were intruding on yours. . .hence that reaction. Now...what country and people is it that you are being paid to defend?

No personal offense - but unless you have a story of unwelcome sexual advances, I somehow think you probably don't have to worry about any illegal intrusion into your life.

I think the concept of individual liberty means you don't have to become something if it isn't what you believe. . .I just showed this to a buddy and his response is: "I don't believe in your "lifestyle" either - baby killer." and he isn't going to just sit by while your lifestyle intrudes on his life.

Sorry - his words. Glad to know how dedicated you are to fighting for "freedom."

 

[kbm8795]

This entire debate is absurd.

Government supported marriage should simply be done away with. It should be replaced with universal "domestic partnerships." That way any couple can recieve the legal benefits of current government-backed marriage without dealing with the religion issue. After that, any couple who wishes can go ahead and be "married" in a church. Simply separate church and state (something that should have been done a long time ago).

You got it - but let the marriage deadbeats fleece the churches instead of the rest of the taxpayers for a change. The only catch should be that if you marry in a church, you have to get divorced with the same church's permission. You'd see those ceremonies drop off real fast.

 

[DFINEST]

Um, read up. What did I say? I said I thought States should vote for themselves to allow for it, and posted an example of where it didn't happen.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Never did I say that it should be an Constitutional Amendment, or not one.

You should read up as well; I only rebutted your statement about about a right to be HOMOSEXUAL.

In my post, every statement after this was not in
reference to your quoted post....
sorry if I wasn't clear

 

[MaxMirkin]

I agree with Prince. Christianity (and any other religion) blows, but that doesn't mean that gays should be allowed to have the same relationship rights as me and my wife. It's just not the same thing.

By the way, the rest of you are long-winded as all hell. What, do you specifically look for topics in which you can post what amounts to small books? I swear some of you get off on this shit.

 

[bulletproof1]

these sexuality and/or religious threads should never be started. there is no solution and everyones beliefs and preferences are all different. minotaur (i hope i spelled that right) and i learned that the hard way a few weeks ago after going 9 rounds. it is truly an exhausting subject and 1 that has no end ..... imo.

 

[busyLivin]

these sexuality and/or religious threads should never be started. there is no solution and everyones beliefs and preferences are all different. minotaur (i hope i spelled that right) and i learned that the hard way a few weeks ago after going 9 rounds. it is truly an exhausting subject and 1 that has no end ..... imo.

I'm catching on to that now, too. I'm gonna try & stay away.

 

[Minotaur]

I admit I do not agree with gay marriage, I feel that it demeans the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, but the president should not be deciding whether it's right or wrong, the American people should.

And Brittany Spears', Michael Jackson's, Liz Taylor's, et al numerous/brief/convenient marriages and divorces don't demean the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman? But the union of two people who love each other and plan to live until death do them part does, because they are the same sex?

 

[Minotaur]

Marriage..one man, one woman...period. if it takes an ammendment to guarantee that, so be it.

If you don't ammend the consitituion the PC folks will attack every state house and many, many of them will cave. The next thing you know, I will have to pay for health insurance for a homosexual employee to cover his "wife." Ain't happening.

Um, excuse me, but most major corporations now offer 'domestic partner' benefits.

Furthermore...

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Arnold]

And Brittany Spears', Michael Jackson's, Liz Taylor's, et al numerous/brief/convenient marriages and divorces don't demean the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman? But the union of two people who love each other and plan to live until death do them part does, because they are the same sex?

I was not saying that only gay marriage demeans it, that is the topic of this thread so that is all I posted.

 

[MaxMirkin]

minotaur (i hope i spelled that right) and i learned that the hard way a few weeks ago after going 9 rounds.

The important thing is that you two learned to settle your differences in a properly homo-erotic manner.

 

[GoalGetter]

I somewhat agree, but feel the divorce rate does just as much, if not more, to demean the sanctity of marriage.

So true...

And in response to your earlier post about Bush /Catholics - that's exactly why. His attempt to have the constitution ammended was clearly an act of desperation to secure votes in that sector of the community.

This is a dirty, dirty race.

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And Cheney has to be opposed. Besides "covering all bases", the fact remains that his daughter is a lesbian. If he were in favor of anything anti-gay, it'd be like he's anti-his own daughter...

 

[LIFTorDIE]

Boys and girls. Don't argue and fight. As always the right IS right on this issue. All the major controlling ideologies say being a fag or a dyke is morally bankrupt. WE ALL live in this society controlled by the moral majority. If you don't like the way we control it ... get the fuck outta here. I hope that this is not too hard of a concept to grasp. If you are a fag, go live in a society that likes homos. America's moral majority doesn't like you. Move away to another place. Where you ask? Don't have an answer ... and don't care.



My money for education is being wasted on you. My money on health care is being wasted on you. My drive time to work is being increased having to drive around you. Television shows like Queer Eye for the Strait Guy are in the way when I channel surf. I don???t want all this gaydom flying in my face when I look out at the world. Since you assholes like to cruise so much I say we put you all on a cruise ship to a distant land ??? then sink it!

 

[MaxMirkin]

Boys and girls. Don't argue and fight. As always the right IS right on this issue. All the major controlling ideologies say being a fag or a dyke is morally bankrupt. WE ALL live in this society controlled by the moral majority. If you don't like the way we control it ... get the fuck outta here. I hope that this is not too hard of a concept to grasp. If you are a fag, go live in a society that likes homos. America's moral majority doesn't like you. Move away to another place. Where you ask? Don't have an answer ... and don't care.



My money for education is being wasted on you. My money on health care is being wasted on you. My drive time to work is being increased having to drive around you. Television shows like Queer Eye for the Strait Guy are in the way when I channel surf. I don???t want all this gaydom flying in my face when I look out at the world. Since you assholes like to cruise so much I say we put you all on a cruise ship to a distant land ??? then sink it!

But tell us how you really feel.

 

[LIFTorDIE]

This is LIFTorDIE's first post so I thought I would walk softly.

 

[Minotaur]

I was not saying that only gay marriage demeans it, that is the topic of this thread so that is all I posted.

Granted, but it's a one-sided and slanted look at the subject. No one who is pro same-sex 'marriage' is looking at it in the context of a religious or 'holy' union. We all know most mainstream religions are against homosexuality, though there are a few churches and synagogues that will bless same-sex unions. So why does anyone think that those of us pro same-sex 'marriage' want to force any religious institution to recognize it? That ain't gonna happen.

Now, if someone can tell me how and why giving the exact same legal recognition and benefits to a same sex couple as to a heterosexual couple, will demean the rights of said heterosexual couple, I might be inclined to listen.

 

[Minotaur]

Boys and girls. Don't argue and fight. As always the right IS right on this issue. All the major controlling ideologies say being a fag or a dyke is morally bankrupt. WE ALL live in this society controlled by the moral majority. If you don't like the way we control it ... get the fuck outta here. I hope that this is not too hard of a concept to grasp. If you are a fag, go live in a society that likes homos. America's moral majority doesn't like you. Move away to another place. Where you ask? Don't have an answer ... and don't care.



My money for education is being wasted on you. My money on health care is being wasted on you. My drive time to work is being increased having to drive around you. Television shows like Queer Eye for the Strait Guy are in the way when I channel surf. I don???t want all this gaydom flying in my face when I look out at the world. Since you assholes like to cruise so much I say we put you all on a cruise ship to a distant land ??? then sink it!

I don't think anyone could have made a more ignorant or hate-filled post if they really truly tried.

 

[MaxMirkin]

I don't think anyone could have made a more ignorant or hate-filled post if they really truly tried.

Is that a challenge?

 

[GoalGetter]

Is that a challenge?

Hahaha, god I hope not. I don't think I could take another comment like that one without reaching for my can of whoopass.

 

[Spitfire]

While Im gone you can talk among yourselves, Ill give a topic the Holy Roman Empire, It was neither Holy nor Roman...Discuss

 

[MaxMirkin]

While Im gone you can talk among yourselves, Ill give a topic the Holy Roman Empire, It was neither Holy nor Roman...Discuss

You were here?

 

[Stickboy]

Hmm...and this coming from a man who gets (rightfully) annoyed when demonstrators shout "baby killers" when he leaves the base. Wonder if those people (who you "felt" like killing - not rightfully) feel like you are intruding on their lives? We know they were intruding on yours. . .hence that reaction. Now...what country and people is it that you are being paid to defend?

I actually clarified that comment in a different post. I would never kill another American unless they were trying to take my life.

I think the concept of individual liberty means you don't have to become something if it isn't what you believe. . .I just showed this to a buddy and his response is: "I don't believe in your "lifestyle" either - baby killer." and he isn't going to just sit by while your lifestyle intrudes on his life.

LOL. That's a good response from your buddy.

I guess in the end, it's all about what people believe about themselves and things around them. What's right for me, may be different from others. However, I am a Catholic, and I do believe that homosexuality is morally wrong. I can't be true to my faith if I were to go against church teachings.
God gave us all free will. In the end, I don't have to answer for anyone's sins but my own. Doesn't mean I can't try and give a lil nudge in the right direction.

 

[DFINEST]

Boys and girls. Don't argue and fight. As always the right IS right on this issue. All the major controlling ideologies say being a fag or a dyke is morally bankrupt. WE ALL live in this society controlled by the moral majority. If you don't like the way we control it ... get the fuck outta here. I hope that this is not too hard of a concept to grasp. If you are a fag, go live in a society that likes homos. America's moral majority doesn't like you. Move away to another place. Where you ask? Don't have an answer ... and don't care.



My money for education is being wasted on you. My money on health care is being wasted on you. My drive time to work is being increased having to drive around you. Television shows like Queer Eye for the Strait Guy are in the way when I channel surf. I don???t want all this gaydom flying in my face when I look out at the world. Since you assholes like to cruise so much I say we put you all on a cruise ship to a distant land ??? then sink it!

As a dog eats it's own vomit,
so fools recycle silliness!

You can disagree with the homosexual lifestyle
without the HATE

 

[bulletproof1]

"Gay Marriage...i don't get it" - the title says it all ... no one is ever going to get it. a mod needs to close this thread.

 

[DFINEST]

.....I guess in the end, it's all about what people believe about themselves and things around them. What's right for me, may be different from others. However, I am a Catholic, and I do believe that homosexuality is morally wrong. I can't be true to my faith if I were to go against church teachings.
God gave us all free will...

AMEN

 

[Mudge]

I hope that this is not too hard of a concept to grasp. If you are a fag, go live in a society that likes homos. America's moral majority doesn't like you. Move away to another place. Where you ask? Don't have an answer ... and don't care

Its a free country, so who cares who doesn't like them or not? Do you run and hide every time someone doesn't like you?

 

[maniclion]

Going by the mindset of those against this then according to the below statistics
Black males in America shouldn't be allowed to marry since they will either be killed, die of AIDS or be unemployed as well as have children that will be looked down upon in school by the white majority and have a 28% chance of living in poverty.

African-American males are seven times more likely to be murdered than their Caucasian counterparts. The African-American rate of HIV-AIDS infection is five times higher than that of Caucasians. African-Americans comprise 38 percent of AIDS cases reported to the U.S. Center for Disease Control. The unemployment rate for African-Americans is at 10.1 percent. These statistics should concern us all.

 

[Randy]

...and in my opinion it doesn't belong in the freaking Constitution.

I agree with nikegurl....Gay Marriage goes against the constitutional law. This law should never have been proposed to be changed. It is my understanding the the President had nothing to do with banning gay marriage, even though he was against it (this was a decision from the State.)

 

[Minotaur]

However, I am a Catholic, and I do believe that homosexuality is morally wrong. I can't be true to my faith if I were to go against church teachings.
God gave us all free will. In the end, I don't have to answer for anyone's sins but my own. Doesn't mean I can't try and give a lil nudge in the right direction.

Why should you go against church teachings? No one is asking you to become homosexual (not that you can, let me clarify ) or marry another man, are they? What does another person being homosexual have to do with you? Giving that 'lil nudge' is offensive to a non-believer like myself.

 

[slider]

Honestly I am confused by the whole deal in my expierence most Gay People are not christian because of the years of verbal abuse. They do not want to be married to rub it in the face of god or anything like that. It is for the most part all of the all of the legal impication that come with a spouse. If one person in a gay couple get hospitilized to the point of near death or a coma. THere partner can't even go visit them with the permision of the person family. If anything is changed in our legal system they should have new form of marriage "union" so athiast and all other people shunned by catholics have an option with legal implications to there partner. Now no one is stepping on anyone toe's and everyone gets treated equaly

 

[RCfootball87]

I admit I do not agree with gay marriage, I feel that it demeans the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, but the president should not be deciding whether it's right or wrong, the American people should.

Exactly. The federal government should have nothing to do with it. It should be a state thing. Go ahead and get married in in California if you're gay, but Illinois may choose not to recognize it, etc. That's how this country is supposed to work, states deciding how to run themselves, the federal government should never have gotten this powerful.